CRYPTOCURRENCY – BRINGING BALANCE BACK TO THE WORLD?

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

Have a look at this. This is proof that the legislative framework that constitutes communism is already in place. http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

You are right Veniversum, we do not have pure capitalism.

There is nothing capitalistic about a central bank. The system we have today is a mix of capitalism and communism.

Bypassing the bank by transacting in gold or bitcoin or some sort of commodity currency can solve that.

Either way, your independence dream sounds like capitalism to me.

First you work, save your capital, and then invest it into your self sufficiency setup.

I totally agree that people will become more independent and decentralized as time goes on. I’m with you there.

In the meantime, money is a necessary evil.

If you hate the concept of money so much, go build a solar panel with your bare hands.

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[VeniversumParticipant 492]

I’m not necessarily anti-capitalist sir, I’m simply pointing out that technological advances will make all of these systems obsolete by providing people with complete independence. I don’t need to build a solar panel with my own hands; trade is possible without money. If it weren’t, then a gentleman wouldn’t have been able to trade a red paper clip for items until he ended up with a house. I’m not arguing that money isn’t necessary; I’m saying that the only reason it is, is because of government coercion. Soon a time will come to pass where we just don’t need it anymore; unless of course people continue to use violence to prevent other people from independence, but you cannot be for it and against it at the same time. Eventually, everyone will choose independence, because even psychopaths want sovereignty.

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

Well keep collecting paper clips, and then try to find someone to trade you a house for them.

Let’s pretend that technology makes it so we don’t need money.

Now lets pretend I have some solar panels I’d like to sell.

What good or service are you going to trade me, in order to acquire the panels?

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[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

It sounds like you want to be passive. Just sit there and wait for Men to go create technologies to make life more abundant.

And then finally in 20 or 30 years, the world will be so abundant that people will just give you stuff for free.

See what I mean? You are looking for a free lunch. It doesn’t exist.

I used to think like you, so I get your point of view. It took me a while for the lightbulb to go off in my own head.

You can’t look “out there” for someone to give you the things you want, or to set up life to be some perfect wonderland.

You have to look within yourself, and set up your perfect life. No matter which way to look at it, you still have to provide something of value to the world, if you want to receive something of value from the world.

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[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

When I was younger my old man kicked my ass to get out of bed and go to work. As soon as I turned 14.

He forced me to turn off the video games and go get a job. I remember thinking that he was a prick at the time.

Now looking back I realize it was the best thing he ever did for me.

I remember him driving me to my first job, and seeing an old guy riding a bike on the side of the road, with a little flag sticking out the back.

He told me son, if you don’t work, that’s all your gonna have. A stupid little bike with a flag sticking out the back.

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[VeniversumParticipant 492]

No, I’m not passive at all. I’m learning how to program so that I can help develop such technologies. I have a realistic point of view, and I do not expect the change to directly benefit me during my lifetime. It isn’t about me. Rather, I hope to improve the lives of future generations. I don’t expect a “free lunch”. I’ve always earned mine, which is exactly why I’m overweight, lol. We are talking about the future, not the present. We already agreed that the change isn’t going to happen overnight and that a transition must be made. Do you know how difficult it is becoming to come up with a new and original idea for an app? Ever heard the slogan “There’s an App for that.”? Imagine in the future as mundane manual labor jobs get replaced with programming and robotics jobs. Eventually there will be so many programs, that if you need one, it will already be written and available via open source. As for capitalism, there’s a specific reason why it failed, and why it won’t work now. That reason is simple: People do not wish to lose. Especially psychopaths. If someone is about to destroy your business with theirs, it’s a matter of self defense. Psychopaths will always resort to legislation, bribery, blackmail, arson, assassination, espionage, kidnapping, sabotage, etc to defeat their opponents because they will refuse to lose, even if their competition is honest. It takes no time at all for capitalism to turn into fascism, and then fascism into communism/socialism. Capitalists wish to control you by owning and controlling the resources you are dependent upon. Communist/socialists wish to control you through a totalitarian government that owns and controls the resources you are dependent on. Neither one of them want you to be independent, and they both want to confiscate your labor.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

NotMyProblem wrote:

When I was younger my old man kicked my ass to get out of bed and go to work. As soon as I turned 14.

He forced me to turn off the video games and go get a job. I remember thinking that he was a prick at the time.

Now looking back I realize it was the best thing he ever did for me.

I remember him driving me to my first job, and seeing an old guy riding a bike on the side of the road, with a little flag sticking out the back.

He told me son, if you don’t work, that’s all your gonna have. A stupid little bike with a flag sticking out the back.

Do you hear what you are advocating? You are saying that it’s good for people to be compelled into servitude. You are actually advocating slavery. How does that make sense? You have to choose one…either independence, or TOTAL dependence upon the economic system. What you say is correct, but only because government has used laws to make it impossible for people to be independent by forcing people to rent property that they own via land tax, and pay in order to subsist via hunting, fishing, and agriculture laws. We’ not allowed to own our own land and mind our own business. You’re going to have to choose sides, sir… You’re either for *Sovereignty* or you are for *slavery*. You cannot be for both.

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

If you build an app and profit from it, that is capitalism.

Sorry I can’t continue this conversation. It’s 12oclock I’ve gotta get back to work.

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[VeniversumParticipant 492]

NotMyProblem wrote:

If you build an app and profit from it, that is capitalism.

Sorry I can’t continue this conversation. It’s 12oclock I’ve gotta get back to work.

You’re contradicting yourself. We already agreed that we do not have capitalism.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

NotMyProblem wrote:

You are right Veniversum, we do not have pure capitalism.

There is nothing capitalistic about a central bank. The system we have today is a mix of capitalism and communism.

As for a free lunch, there are people getting it all day every day under the current system. People get paid just for having money (interest, dividends), while others get fined for not having it (taxes,overdrafts). The system is engineered to perpetuate the wealth of the rich, and the poverty of the poor. To get a free lunch, all you need is a bank. Central banks and government get free lunch all day long just by printing money. Gold back dollars won’t change that fact. Counterfeiting will still occur. Crypto currency won’t change that fact because it will be hackable, or the government will use violence to put a stop to it. The best tool for that type of thing is war. That’s what they always do. You want to be rich because you want a free lunch. There is nothing *anyone* can do that is so great, that they are entitled to the servitude of entire generations of other human beings. Millionaires are not actually worth millions of dollars of resources. Billionaires are not actually worth billions of dollars of resources. It’s a giant scam. The whole thing.. these people are not actually providing value they are just taking from the people who are compelled to acquire currency by the legal system. Free lunch.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Bravo, Veniversum. Bravo. There is no end to war; there is nothing but eternal warfare. Technology is not going to save us. We are at war with ourselves, our own nature. Do you really think the powers that be are going to just allow you to be free? Ok, maybe some might, but what happens when their successors take over? Yeah…war. The answer is to evolve and live simply, and honestly, and if you desire money, you are part of the problem. The book says the root of all evil is money.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants – Thomas Jefferson.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

Bunker Mode, thank you for the advice sir; you are wise. Snake, I do not “desire” money. It is society that leaves me with no other option, other than to have to fight state religious zealots that wish to harm or jail me if I do not comply with legislation. In this system you are either the master, or the slave. They force that choice upon us. I don’t buy into the “human nature” argument, nor do I buy into religion. Humans are capable of overriding their instincts, and because of this they are separate from other animals. None the less what you say is true Snake…as much as I hate to admit it. As long as people are willing to enforce unjust laws, obey orders without question, go to war on a whim, and make all of their decisions based on money, it’s not going to change.

[Anonymous 2]

I have done lots of research on bitcoin. It is the way forward. I’ve been trying to tell people about it but you might as well be talking to yourself.

Its stable and we need to start using it to regain control.
I’m sure I’m still talking to a brick wall still though.

You have to go to big cities to trade directly from a bitcoin vendor. Take their business card if you find one you trust. Then you can become a vendor yourself. There’s a website. You announce a meeting point and you can get 5%-6% for every transaction.

All those negative people saying s~~~ like, not enough bit coins, something else will take it over, blah blah f~~~ing blah… Well they are idiots. Bitcoin is more than just a clever idea – and if you research enough, you would know this. Bitcoin is a principle. It stands for not any more. It stands for – we will win – we will be free – you can not stop change – we do not forgive – we do not forget – we are comming for you now.

[Anonymous 29]

NotMyProblem wrote:

There is nothing that will have a bigger positive effect on humanity, then putting the world back on a gold standard,

The only way.

NotMyProblem wrote:

or even better… a digital gold standard.

Seriously ? . . . . . think about it.

Digital money, standards & currency is exactly what the financial ruling class want’s you to be on.
Why ? . . . because they will have you by the b~~~~ while they own and acquire real actual assets
while you and your’s have vaporware/money ?

F~~~ that for a joke.
So, for all intents and purposes we would be regressing back to the middle ages and fiefdom/slavery.

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