Critique my response to unbelievable female entitlement.

[Terminus EstParticipant 145]

Hi all,

I’d like to give a quick account of a recent occurrence here in Seattle. We West coasters and in particular, Northwesters tend to be a bit more nontraditional when it comes to buying women drinks. It’s considered to be a bit tacky to both ask or offer but many still do.

Anyhoo, recently I was at my favorite beer dive when a not very attractive and somewhat over weight girl plops herself next to me and engages me with flirty behavior. I’m not rude to women so I joined in a conversation about this and that with her. She said she had recently moved here for med school from someplace in the south.

Great, I’m a nurse. But talking shop or anything interesting or related to anatomy pr physiology with her was making it clear that she had no real passion in these areas. Whenever I meet other men and talk shop, regardless of their profession, at least some form of spark lights their eyes and they usually talk with some pride about their knowledge or expertise in their field.

Not her. But what came next nearly floored me.

She suddenly explained to me how different Seattle is and that where she comes from men always offer her a drink. I gave her a noncommittal reply that yes indeed, the Northwest is a bit different in this respect but that’s how things are here. Usually this would be a strong hint for anyone that no free drink is in the works but she brings it up again with a sort of tense insistent outrage that I haven’t heard before.

Needless to say, she didn’t get a drink and the mood turned sour, as if I had transgressed against a god given right of hers. Even more hilarious is that some beta friend of hers who had suddenly joined us was sitting quietly next to her and never said a word for fear of upsetting her or his meager chance of getting in her pants that night.

I gave her my best classic cold charm bid you adieu and ignored her from then on.

So why am I proud enough to post this here? Because back in my navy or college days I still bought drinks for women for introduction or out of hope that this would make them like me.

I laugh at how long of a way I’ve come. So how would you have handled this? Done anything different? Better? Similar encounters?

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

I live in the South, the DEEP South, right next to the water. I don’t buy women drinks, why would I? What did they do to deserve a drink? Be born with t~~~? I know men with t~~~, I don’t buy them free drinks either.

TBH she sounded like a bitch that wanted a free drink to validate her ego in spite of her extra weight. That’s a 4-6 dollar whiteknight tax I’ll not be paying either.

[foolsgoldParticipant 5665]

I would have asked her if she spits or swallows.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

I can’t remember who, but someone here said to look at her shoes, and then tell her no. He said that’s the one thing that best destroys her ego. Look her up and down, see her shoes, then say no.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

“You are correct. Here in Seattle, it is customary for women to buy men drinks; that’s how things are done here. Why not get one for yourself too, you could use one.”

[Executor MaxwellParticipant 591]

Terminus Est wrote:

So why am I proud enough to post this here? Because back in my navy or college days I still bought drinks for women for introduction or out of hope that this would make them like me.

Well that thought of your past is shiver inducing.

But allow me to offer a hearty slap on the back for you progress. Bartender get this man a beer, he earned it.

peterfa wrote:

I can’t remember who, but someone here said to look at her shoes, and then tell her no. He said that’s the one thing that best destroys her ego. Look her up and down, see her shoes, then say no.

I have gone as far as giving a sideways glance raising an eyebrow and then giving a dismissive grunt and looking away.

But Yikes! To add in checking her out all the way to the shoes and then saying no,.. been a while since I’ve gone to a bar I’d have to factor in my odds of getting attacked for that one, that’s brutal.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Back in the days when I went to bars, I did not always meet extremely nice people. It sounds like that has not changed.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I would explain to her that I wouldn’t insult her female independence by impeding on her autonomy but that there are special bars down the street where a fair exchange of lap dances for money occurs.

And she would be around a nice group of girls also trying to pay for med school, at least that’s what they all say.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[sidecarParticipant 35855]

It sounds to me like you managed yourself pretty well.

I would have probably said something along the lines of:
“Men who offer free drinks to women they don’t know are no-account cads who are only interested in sex. Women who accept free drinks from men they don’t know are whores who are no better than they should be. Seeing as you’re from the South, I’m truly surprised you don’t know this.”

peterfa wrote:

I can’t remember who, but someone here said to look at her shoes, and then tell her no. He said that’s the one thing that best destroys her ego. Look her up and down, see her shoes, then say no.

I can attest to this. I don’t know why the shoes are so important to them, but they absolutely are.

[WolfParticipant 890]

peterfa wrote:

I can’t remember who, but someone here said to look at her shoes, and then tell her no. He said that’s the one thing that best destroys her ego. Look her up and down, see her shoes, then say no.

This is interesting. What’s the theory behind it?

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Wolf wrote:

This is interesting. What’s the theory behind it?

It makes her think she has crappy taste in shoes (which considering current trends is probably true.)

[WolfParticipant 890]

peterfa wrote:

It makes her think she has crappy taste in shoes (which considering current trends is probably true.)

I will definitely give it a try when presented with the opportunity.

[felixParticipant 406]

peterfa wrote:

Look her up and down, see her shoes, then say no.

Look at her shoes and say no.  I might try that.  They have this crazy thing going about on about shoes that has always been a mystery to me.

more throttle ..... less brakes.....

[Terminus EstParticipant 145]

This is true. For some bizarre reason, women judge everyone’s taste and status by the shoes they wear. Dismissing a woman after looking at her shoes would be roughly equivalent to being dismissed for the car you drive.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

felix wrote:

They have this crazy thing going about on about shoes that has always been a mystery to me.

If you figure out women, then write a book.

[sidecarParticipant 35855]

Just thought of a new one today:

“Normally I WOULD buy you a drink, but I’m all out of roofies.”

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I would explain to her that I wouldn’t insult her female independence by impeding on her autonomy but that there are special bars down the street where a fair exchange of lap dances for money occurs. And she would be around a nice group of girls also trying to pay for med school, at least that’s what they all say.

@HRPufnStuf
You nailed it! I can’t imagine what it would be like to say that to woman with a completely neutral tone. Pure apathy.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

You played it well IMO. Sinply dont buy her a drink. Every guy knows hell hath no fury to a womans scorn. It doesnt matter WHAT you say, shell find a way to p~~~ all over you for it. Less is more imo. No explanation necessary.

About the “shoes” comment: Id venture to guess it has a LOT more to do with eyeing her BODY from head to toe and still REJECTING her, then it does the “shoes”.

Resident cynic.

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