Couples Counseling is a Waste of Time and Money

[NoLongerBlindParticipant 530]

How much time…hard earned money and personal energy do you want to waste is the real question?

1) In a typical session with a “therapist” (many of which are female) you will be told to “validate her feelings” (as if she has any) or “she’s not being heard by you” (no…I hear her bitching every day…about how I need to step up or be more responsible…or some garbage like that) We will be asked to take responsibility for things that aren’t ours to begin with…(no her insecurities…daddy issues…self loathing..her inability to admit she’s wrong…the fact she is just like her mother…and blatant narcissism EXISTED LONG BEFORE YOU MET HER!!!!!) Her cheating happened because you didn’t meet her needs and now she’s unhappy (no…BEING A WHORE IS HER CHOICE…BREAKING HER MARRIAGE VOWS IS HER CHOICE!!!)

2) VERY FEW “THERAPISTS” OUT THERE ARE TRAINED IN DEALING with NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER…which is rampant among females…which is almost always the root cause for her behavior…they don’t get it! AND NEVER WILL HER ABUSE TOWARDS YOU BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY…THIS IS HUGE TO UNDERSTAND!!! Her abuse will be justified because “she’s not happy…please listen to her!”

3) This will be short. “I just don’t know what I want anymore” she tells the “therapist” (HER PROBLEM NOT YOURS)

4) CHRISTIAN COUNSELING IS THE WORST!!! Ohhhh please…really…DONT BRING JESUS INTO THIS…LOL…LOL…LOL! The “therapist” (mostly female) will tell you “all your answers are in the scriptures!” (No…she doesn’t love herself…me…or Jesus…whatever) Her issues are as old as the Bible itself and her NARCISSISM is incurable!

In conclusion… the odds are stacked against you! Therapy can be helpful but a decent therapist or a female who benefits IS RARE…what ever changes occur will be temporary…her nature prevents it! BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU BLAME YOURSELF FOR…don’t let blame be assigned to you! Stay strong Mgtow brothers…and don’t waste your money…she’ll never change!

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

I remember “:our” conversation on counseling. She said something like, “The only type of counseling that I would go to would be Christian based, and I know that you wouldn’t want to do that.”

That worked for me, but little did she know that I wasn’t interested in ANY form of C-NTslinging.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[BeerParticipant 11832]

I’d think you need to look as far as the counselor to realize its garbage. Is the counselor an 80 year old who has 60 years of marriage under her belt? No. Is the counselor a 40 year old post wall carousel rider who already has a divorce under her belt? Yes. Its like seeking financial advice from a financial advisor with a 350 credit score who has nothing saved for his retirement and is in his 60s…just because you pay someone for advice doesn’t mean they know wtf they are talking about or actually giving you good advice.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

They are either female, or completely f~~~~~ized beta males hippies. Psychology is a flimsy pseudoscience.

Sovereignty above all else.

[.0000000001Participant 137]

Women are guardhouse lawyers plain and simple. Whom else would you pay to sit and talk while finding fault with your fault finding? Definitely not a man. He would stay silent for hours only asking for another beer.

Is Wayne Brady gotta choke a B!%C* ?

[Handsome VicParticipant 1613]

Nobody knows anybody who says: “oh yeah, couples counselling saved us”.
MGTOW know that beta men are ATMs to their women. Just a disposable utility.
And women are slaves to their emotions.
So if she’s at couples counselling– she’s already checked out and gone.
She doesn’t go to couples counselling with Chad.

I'm going my own way. Maybe I'll see you there.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22534]

Couples counselling is basically the man paying for an expensive “fight friend” for his wife.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I went to six years of marriage counseling. The problem was my ex wifes endogenous depression. We never “realized” this in all the years of counseling. What a waste of time.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[AposematicParticipant 2671]

How did you know about my Ex? Snap…

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

[TwistParticipant]

xW: “I will never go to counseling because you are smarter than me and I will look stupid”

Well – at least once she told the truth.

[NoMoreParticipant 1233]

I actually had a good marriage counselor. He was about my age and had been raised by a probable BPD mother. He was fairly Christian, but knew my religious leanings and never pushed anything. After I filed for divorce, he said it was probably a good idea as he didn’t see her try to make any changes and blamed me for everything.

A co-worker recently told me, "If you want to see who someone really is, divorce them." I have found out how true this is. When your wife drops the façade of being the caring partner, you will witness all of the greed, hate, and spite that she has masked. It is truly breathtaking!

[bladeParticipant]

A friend of mine went to counseling and stuck by his woman . Cost him his house

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[narwhalParticipant]

NoMore wrote:

I actually had a good marriage counselor. He was about my age and had been raised by a probable BPD mother. He was fairly Christian, but knew my religious leanings and never pushed anything. After I filed for divorce, he said it was probably a good idea as he didn’t see her try to make any changes and blamed me for everything.

Kind of what I was going to say. I liked the marriage counselor I used as I well. The problem isn’t so much that counseling can’t be useful, it most certainly can. You could argue that this very site is a form of counseling. The problem with most counseling is that women, and some men, go in to it with the attitude that they have nothing to fix, it’s going to fix their husband. The husband usually excepts this in some way because he feels that he has everything to gain from changing. Divorce will killing, in living with this woman will kill him slowly. Not all men by far, but certainly some. She almost always thinks counselling will make it him into the man she thought she could mold him into when she married him.

My ex wanted counseling and I agreed. I fully embraced it. I did the homework, she did not. She resented it, saying that I was using the counseling as a means of controlling her behavior…exactly what she was hoping to do. It did not matter that the counselor she chose was the one who suggested she make changes, not me.

Counseling will not work if you’re unwilling to consider and make changes to yourself. And because of this fact, the vast majority of counselors are not going to suggest you make hard changes, as doing so will cause you to stop sending them money. The make money by giving her the attention she craves so strongly. And of course, the good counselors write books you can read for much cheaper than a single session would cost.

Ok. Then do it.

[TronParticipant 285]

Couples counseling is biased towards women. It’s all about the almighty vagina. The majority of counselors are either blue pill men or feminist women. I am saying this even though I am in the process of becoming a counselor myself. I will be working solely with men. You are better off getting individual counseling with a real guy. They are out there. You have to do a little digging. Work on yourself and learn to be the man that YOU want to be not the man that society or she wants you to be.

Tron

[narwhalParticipant]

Tron wrote:

The majority of counselors are either blue pill men or feminist women. I am saying this even though I am in the process of becoming a counselor myself.

You’re going to have a really tough time. If you counsel any married men, their wives will do all they can to put you out of business.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of Jordan Peterson?

Ok. Then do it.

[TronParticipant 285]

NARWHAL,
Thanks for your response. Jordan Peterson is obviously a bright guy. He is associated with other intellectuals that, according to some sources, have been “…purged from institutions that have become increasingly hostile to unorthodox thought…” These people, it is said, include Steven Pinker and Christina Hoff Sommers, who have been known to look out for men. If he is associated with these two then he can not be all bad; however, I do not think his views on MGTOW is accurate. He thinks that all mgtows do not want relationships with women, which is incorrect. There is nothing wrong with friendships but cohabitation is out because of all the legal BS. He admits that we have a point about the legal system being sexist against men but then he does a 360 and criticizes men for not wanting to be married. So I am hot and cold with him. I like that he is not for all this politically correct crap so I am not going to “throw the baby out with the bath water” so to speak and write him off completely. He and I are the same age so I can relate to him sometimes.

By the way, I am going to counsel men individually. If they are married, ok so no big deal. At least I can help them be the man they want. I will not do couples counseling. MGTOW may not be for every guy. However, being your own person is. I will help them to do just that.

Tron

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I went to one session of marriage counseling. The therapist was a woman. When we went in my ex had a list of complaints about me. As I sat there and explained my position on each one, it was becoming more and more apparent to all three of us that my behavior was actually caring and thoughtful. For example, my ex used to say that she was so busy at work that she didn’t even have time to pee. Then she wanted to know why I never called and checked in on her during the day. Well, if you’re too busy to pee, which you’ve told me over and over, it would be pretty rude of me to call in the middle of the day. Better to work hard myself and get home as soon as possible so we have more time to spend together in the evening.

That night she tells me our relationship is fine, we don’t need counseling. Six months later she’s kicking me out of my house.

Marriage counseling doesn’t work because it’s generally the woman wanting to go so that a third party can tell the husbank that he’s doing it wrong. And it only lasts as long as the third party is telling him he’s doing it wrong. She didn’t go into it to change marriage, she went into it to change YOU.

Order the good wine

[Gravel PitParticipant]

A man semi-close to me (who miraculously survived hanging himself two weeks ago) is going thru the beginning stages of divorce, separation, losing custody…. all of it.

Apparently she has been cheating. After marriage counseling and continuing to “believe things would get better.” (his words)

Some emotional cord broke and he broke. They found him hanging by a tow strap, blue face, bleeding, not breathing. Somehow they saved him. He was pretty light weight so I guess it just took too long, and although he was lights out — they got to him in-time. No apparent brain-damage, very lucky.

Anyway. The guy is sort-of waking up to the facts but you can tell, the old blue-pill thinking is powerful and resilient. Against others wishes I sent him some MGTOW content to listen to. Male Greif by Spetsnaz, and that video recently by Stardusk called Life After Women. I felt like both would help him deal with current events and the crap that is on the horizon that he doesnt realize yet.

He is not living at home anymore (she threw him out) and she emptied all the bank accounts. We’re talking the worst crap that you guys talk about… here it is happening right in front of me to a guy I know.

As Stardusk says in that video. “I look at what’s happening to these men these days and BY THE GODS I KNOW I MADE THE RIGHT DECISION.”

Anyway. All you can do is show a man the door, he has to walk thru it.
And even though MGTOW isnt for everyone and I may have angered a close male -friend by exposing a man to the Manosphere and MGTOW, I FEEL LIKE HE DESERVES TO KNOW that another opinion exists!

There IS another view, another way, and we are not few.

He can go get married again for all I care, atleast someone told him about MGTOW.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

TaxGuy wrote:

Marriage counseling doesn’t work because it’s generally the woman wanting to go so that a third party can tell the husbank that he’s doing it wrong.

Marriage counseling doesn’t work because the problem isn’t the marriage.

The problem is the woman.

You might as well see a pet therapist as a marriage counselor for all the good it will do you.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

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