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Anonymous1I am seriously looking for an older used 4×4. I have it narrowed down to a Toyota 4-Runner and a Ford Expedition.
I owned 2 Toyota 4-Runners and I loved both. Never gave me any problems. However, since I will be using it for camping/fishing a MUCH LONGER CARGO BED would come in handy.
Problem: I am now just an old fart and I no longer know anything about how to work on vehicles. (back in the day, it was easy, but no longer. very complicated now).
Are there any mechanics out there who can give me a few tips on what I should be concerned about/on the look out for ?
Example: at what mileage is a Ford engine toast ?
thanks, guys
Anonymous42Fords have comfortable seats for all the time you spend waiting for a tow truck.
You will learn to DESPISE Ford as I have, as any true believer has (owner).
Fords only leave the shop to blow something up again and again, that’s if they don’t catch fire and burn down to the rims!
Get a cargo rack or small trailer for the Toyota if you’re worried about hauling capacity.
I will never own another American made pile of f~~~ing s~~~ ever again!
You have to watch out for the rear axle seals. Those are cheap on parts, but a BITCH BITCH BITCH to replace. About 1000 bucks for the job at a shop.
The parts cost about 50 bucks, but the labor… Its like on a supra, they built the whole damn car around the windshield wiper motor. :- )
The other thing to watch out about the 4runner is the U joints. KEEP THEM UP TO STUFF and the bushings. Just simple things.
As far as Fords go, they are a trucks that always seem to need something.
Almost like Planned obsolescence.
The Diesel trucks for example have a few good years all pre Urea. But a good programer and shop can delete that crap.
The engine made my International are throw away engines.
The Ford engines…Yea, there not the old last forever engines of old. THere are tricks you can do, but again. Its more of a project to fix all the faults.Whatever rig you buy, make sure you got $5000 for repairs. Its just good advice. $2000 spent on fixing the last guys issues are going to be needed.
Overall, get a rig that makes you happy. You like working on and doing small things, and enjoy it.
The toyota will be going up in value actually. The ford not so much.
THe big thing is to make sure and check out the wire harness. If ANY of them have any signs of crusty or look brittle RUN.
Also the timing belt on a toyota is the Lifeblood of the engine. DO IT. And get it done right at the dealer.
Not all dealerships are the same. If they don’t got a greasy fellow that loves working there, then run.
The rubber seals on the windows tend to dry out. Make sure to order those as needed.
The speakers are going to be dry rot. So look to replace those.
The Drive axles Rubber support is going to be worn. Make sure and replace that.
The Bushing on the Sway bars may be shot.
And the cowl may be filled up of muck. Make sure to clean that out or water in the cabin.
The Window and lock switches sometimes go out. Its just a cleaning most of the time that is needed of the internal contacts.
Oh and the ignition.. The lock cylinder is not use to a ton of weight. So if you got people that hang a large bit of keys on there, its going to wear that thing out.
Other then that. That should be the big ones you will run into.
Weird ones would be the torque converter wearing out.
As always, CHANGE AND FLUSH EVERY DAM FLUID THERE. Transmission fluid depends. Your better just leaving it bee sometimes. The new fluid will not make the thing slip more. So if it still smells good, then just leave it in. But from my experience, they always put the wrong damn fluid in there.
OH power steering. FLUSH THAT ASAP. Getting a new pump or rack is almost as expensive as the purchase price.
The back gate my rust from the inside, so make sure to check that out.
Other then that, You should be good.
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Anonymous1Sounds like some damn good advice. The only Ford I ever had was way back in 1966, when I bought a ’61 Falcon. Little bugger was super easy to work on.
I think I have had 14 vehicles in my life and the 4-Runners were the best. Almost zero trouble.
The only reason why I was thinking about a Ford Expedition is that the rear cargo rear very long and is a nice place to take a nap (I’m old and very tall, 6’3″. Old folks need naps)
Really would like to have a 4-wheeler with a looong rear cargo area, once I take out the rear seats.Yeah, I’m hip to changing all the fluids as soon as I buy something.

Anonymous42You have to watch out for the rear axle seals. Those are cheap on parts, but a BITCH BITCH BITCH to replace. About 1000 bucks for the job at a shop.
Agreed, Mick, I usually provide my own press needs, but the Toyota needed special tooling or damage would be done, so I brought the axles to a guy that could do it, only $100 sumthin bucks plus the bearings and seals, so about 200+ total, excluding my time and labor pulling the axles. The other option was making the tooling, but just not worth it.
I was running the same day, and that’s what makes it worth doing the maintenance yourself, I never used the excuse “cars are impossible to fix with all the new technology”, now there’s diagnostics that are out of this world! The laptop tells you what’s wrong or at least clues on where to start without unnecessary parts replacement.
If you don’t have the right tools, go play with your Fisher-Price tool box and call it QUITS! You need the necessary reach-around power tool nut cracker!
They’re not hard to fix once you swallow the red pill realization that many other complicated systems need disassembly before you can make the necessary parts replacement, I take pictures, categorize fasteners, tag parts, tag vac lines, tag electrical connections.
Internal parts are a must that they not be mixed and matched for balancing and other purposes.

Anonymous42The only reason why I was thinking about a Ford Expedition is that the rear cargo rear very long and is a nice place to take a nap (I’m old and very tall, 6’3″. Old folks need naps)
4-runner with an enclosed trailer, and make sure it’s narrow like the 4-runner.

Anonymous1The only reason why I was thinking about a Ford Expedition is that the rear cargo rear very long and is a nice place to take a nap (I’m old and very tall, 6’3″. Old folks need naps)
4-runner with an enclosed trailer, and make sure it’s narrow like the 4-runner.

Every day I learn something new. I never saw a trailer like that little guy.
Get the 4 Runner and put a Baja rack on top. You can strap s~~~ up there. You will just have to lift stuff up there.
or get a trailer, but not like the one pictured – get an off road one with a decent suspension.
Something like this (but these are too expensive – but you get the idea).

Anonymous1CombatRoll, interesting trailers. You’re right, they ARE expensive. If I decide to go that route, I believe I could build one at 20% the cost of the ones in that ad.
Food for thought.
I am seriously looking for an older used 4×4. I have it narrowed down to a Toyota 4-Runner and a Ford Expedition.
I owned 2 Toyota 4-Runners and I loved both. Never gave me any problems. However, since I will be using it for camping/fishing a MUCH LONGER CARGO BED would come in handy.
Problem: I am now just an old fart and I no longer know anything about how to work on vehicles. (back in the day, it was easy, but no longer. very complicated now).
Are there any mechanics out there who can give me a few tips on what I should be concerned about/on the look out for ?
Example: at what mileage is a Ford engine toast ?
thanks, guys4runner and Explorer are a better match comparison, thats what the 4runner is sized against. explorer is 3 row. expedition is bigger than 4runner, whatever their next is, maybe the sequoia.
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