Colttaine, Tournament Style Mating Theory

[Gravel PitParticipant]

I have my own reservations about humans allegedly being Tournament Style maters. I believe its true UP TO A POINT, with caveats!
But I dont deny most of what COlttaine is saying. The guy continually puts out top quality content.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

as usual, Colttaines work is thought provoking to the core.

this is the comment I left there…

(I realize Colttaine has granted some of these points later in the video. Nothing but love for ya man!)

I disagree with humans being Tournament Style maters. While I acknowledge and agree with much of what Colttaine said, its disingenuous to compare us to Bonobos. (This is coming from a guy who stresses more than anyone, how we came from 7 million years of hominid evolution).

But there are HOLES in this Tournament Style human mating theory:

1. Just because women have evo psych traits to select for healthy mates (notice I didnt say ‘alpha’) that doesnt mean the other half of the human species, MEN, are also monkey-branching whores hell bent on facial symmetry and abundant resources. On the contrary, MOST MEN are monogamous and will gladly select ONE vagina and remain loyal to it for life. One is enough for 90% of us. (maybe Im wrong since Im only 33? And once you hit 40, you cant help this overwhelming instinct to poke girls half your age like a philandering twit… but thus far in my life, I have no desire to bang multiple women)

So you see, this is disingenuous to me because its only telling ONE SIDE of a the evo-psych trait story that motivates behavior.

2. This ALPHA crap is also disingenuous as hell. Where is the line drawn between so-called Meta, Beta, Alpha or whatever descriptive boxes we try to toss men into? The tournament style mating may be true UP TO A POINT … BUT because of our complicated brains and civilizations, its an error to broad-stroke Homo Sapien into that category whether we’re talking about Neolithic times or present day Gynocracy.

We should be careful to talk in absolutes about Evolutionary Psychology which is still a science in its infancy. Id argue that a theoretical, strictly Tournament Style group of humans simply wouldnt be able to produce enough children. And if they did, all the children would be so genetically similar, that breeding would become maladaptive and start caving in on itself.

Tournament Style mating is a cop-out that doesnt tell the WHOLE STORY about human sexual pair bonding. MONOGAMY is natural for MEN in my opinion. Its objectively and subjectively true. I also believe that so called “alpha” men are completely fine with ONE VAGINA, its just that women’s evo-psych which _ ensures healthy genetic production_ has them “swiping right” on a specific group of men based on appearance alone. Men are not like that…

But when this phenomenon is exaggerated in modern times (allowing women to select based on fickle appearance) (DATING APPS) we see what happens, the birth rate FAILS and we spiral into economic collapse.

So you see, there are some hang ups… GREAT CONTENT COLTTAINE, I LOVE AND RESPECT YOUR WORK.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3753]

Gravel Pit wrote:

…I also believe that so called “alpha” men are completely fine with ONE VAGINA…

With all due respect, Gravel Pit, this still sounds a bit blue pill.

I think that if there were no rules, no consequences, no taboos or dogma that men would just have their way with any women they find attractive, Alpha men or otherwise.

Like if you were given the keys to any Ferrari in town would you still go for that Civic winter beater ? Or more accurately since they’re big and North American… that fat ass rusty Buick ? LOL

Just my little opinion.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Like if you were given the keys to any Ferrari in town would you still go for

My thesis is that we are creatures that grow fond for one particular Ferrari or brunette… When you come across one that does the job for you, well speaking for myself, I dont mind sticking with that one out of habit. I know her curves and handling. I cant predict her next gear and the heat coming off the hood.

Switching up to a new car/brunette each week becomes a chore. Why go thru the hassle when the one you like still puts out just fine? We arent that complicated to please. A moist wet hole is as good as the next, atleast this woman knows me well and we share many inside jokes.

This whole narrative of the blueprint human male hoping around inseminating as many vaginas as possible is pure bollocks. We generally settle on the one that settles for us. Then we invented marriage so the bitch would stay put. Monogamy is male instinct. Women are the ones who want to fvck their way to the top of the ‘swipe right’ pyramid. Their instinct is what we’ve had to put in check

[Gravel PitParticipant]

My opinion is that Tournament Style Mating is only half true…

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3753]

I hear you, man.

For sex, maybe it would be nice to have variety but if a man wants a relationship/companionship then yes, find a good one (as “good” as they get lol) and stay with her.

Again, like cars. So many of us keep their vehicles for 10-15-20 years. If it ain’t broke.

Anyway, did Colttaine reply to your post ?

[Gravel PitParticipant]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Anyway, did Colttaine reply to your post ?

Naw man, Id never expect him to respond, or Stardusk either, they are superior human beings to me. LOLOLOLOL

They ARE content producers though, and Im not. So Im not really on their level to chat it up…. Thats not to say theyve never dropped a sentence to me, they have… just rarely.

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3753]

Bah ! It’s not a competition. haha

You’re a top tier kinda guy though, don’t worry.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

thanks SpiderHerder.

Tournament Style Mating theory for humans, as well as labeling men as either Alpha or Beta is indicative of our Non Own-Group Preference. We devalue ourselves, even when we are discussing objective facts about our biology.

Male Psychology is truly masochist. Collectively we hate ourselves and instinctively throw our lives away.

We cant even have discussions about Evo Psych, without MEN shaming other MEN, without MEN willingly calling themselves “incels,” without men’s total resignation of autonomy and then he surrenders at the alter of female well being.

One thing is for sure. Either Modernity and technology is going to bust evo-psych, or evo-psych is going to bust modernity. The two cannot co-exist. The only way I think it can work is in a Brave New World type scenario, but that is an example of Modernity winning out. Truly, the natural human reproductive model of males and females cannot thrive in a modern society like ours. Either the tech will win in the end, or our base instincts will send us back to the Savannah after collapse.

Its unnatural and annoying to be alive in this era, especially for men.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Male Psychology is truly masochist. Collectively we hate ourselves and instinctively throw our lives away.

So you work on Bikes. Remember that tool that just made everything easy? Wood workers have that tool that always makes a Perfect Butters joint in wood cabinets or something. (drills at and angle I think for the screws) If you don’t know any better? You are going to do it the hard way.
SAME AS WITH LIFE OF A MAN. 🙂

Gravel Pit wrote:

We cant even have discussions about Evo Psych, without MEN shaming other MEN, without MEN willingly calling themselves “incels,” without men’s total resignation of autonomy and then he surrenders at the alter of female well being.

This is true when dealing with most things. However. There is a reason why they tried so hard to put WOMEN IN STEM and in the fields that Science, learning and critical theory style work or research are done. You can’t deny that the output of quality work that was done before women entered these fields in mass without having to meet the same basic standards as men in the field, have done countless amounts of damage to the integrity of the research.

Saldy, many men still do put their feelings over facts. Dismay logic on account of Equality or other nonsense. Even in open source software or code, if the idea of Gender Neutral programing language came to the discussion 30 or 40 years ago with UNIX system under Pascal or Basic or FORTRAN? That person would be not be quietly ignored. Rather, they would find the nearest Trash can or Toilet and plunch Mercely with the Handle of Knowledge washing whatever stupid was left in that person. That? Or be sent to the Art Department PRONTO!

TOday? We just go “Very good point LADY!”
Yesterday? “We are going to need another TIMMY”

We also had a very good reason in the past that only people who were disciplined could talk about these things. We had People who were qualified to speak about these things in the past. Doctors, engineers, scientists, philosophers researches; Basically academia.

We also had face to face conversations. Imagine if you will we all got in a room and started discussing I.Q. Right of the bat, I would be eliminated for being unable to remember Basic math skills. More so if it was timed. The reading and writing would be perfect, but then I would be hoisted in the 70 to 80 range. As we went further, we would end up with a very small handful of people. I would say about 4-5 people would meet that 120 I.Q. Level.

In fact, I never made a Psychologist (brain doc) laugh so hard as when I Asked “Doc, give it to me straight. Can you tell I’m Retarded, or do I pass for a normal person”. She could not stop saying sorry & laughing, but at that, she answered “NO”. That was good enough for me. 🙂

So.. since we are really dealing with people from not only all levels of intelligence, backgrounds, history, and demographics & insight ro fields? We are going to have a very wide subset of idea’s or understandings of a concept we put our minds to.

The real problem with the discussion is going to be our own Bias or Prejudice. That’s the real issue actually.

Try telling a group of teens in a Midwestern town private high school from an affluent area about date rape at a Prom dance. Not really going to be on their minds. Or the dangers of Alcohol to people in Russia? Not going to be a thing.

And then you really have to understand that the basic of most people is a one note tune. Most men only do one job and that’s it.

Take My bias for Example as a child. All white people are rich. Or are smart and well off. Have great families, and everything is JUST like it is on TV. No kidding. That was my bias. I also knew of Black folks when it came up later on in life to be just like everyone else. So? When I started going to school in the city? HOLY MACKEREL MURDOCK! Wut the F~~~ IS THIS???? LOL.

So tearing apart the very Fabric of our beings and how we were internally programed is going to be like pulling Train spikes from railroad ties. As time goes by, we just use concrete ties. Then it almost becomes impossible unless you break the concrete.

Its similar to how a Secret Agent here believes in God. Imagine that overtime, the other people around you also say they also believe. That seems like all those people are the same. However? When we apply that to women? It all goes to hell. Then we apply that to say E.G. Well. That’s a problem. God or the bible, (however it is presented to you) say being gay is sin. Okay. So is killing. But kill and hang people all the time. Humans even killed jesus apparently. But killing is a sin. And how can you get to heaven if you killed? Then you have forgiveness. With that get out of jail card? You can do whatever you want and just ask for forgiveness when you ass/soul is on the line.

Then you have that weird thing about marriage. In the bible is says you can have as many wives as you want and slaves. But we don’t do that today in at least Catholic or Protestant faiths (to the best of my knowledge) , but Mormons do this no problem.

What it all comes down to is your own interpretation of what is what. Then somehow you have to agree on all of it, then watch out for the gray area in all of it as well.

Think about a fire watch on a metal ship. Seems stupid. But we still have them for that ONE TIME it did happen. Metal (unless it’s magnesium or high sulfur content Iron*) is not a fuel source in the fire triangle. But there are rags, etc that come into play, or other things like insulation etc etc. that can heat up. So even though we all agree metal can not catch on fire, the logic is sound, it still can.

Another example would be Bearings. Bearings need lubrication. Not so fast.

Point is we all agree, but defitive is always going to be skewed with a caveat of improbability factors.

(DO you SEE why I wish I had Faust’s Magic when writing things? 🙂

So that’s why most of us start to argue and get into insults as we all seem to have some other notion of what the final product of the estimation of the analysis of an idea may be or concept such as MGTOW philosophy. That in its own is a can a worms. People still think there are levels of MGTOW like STAGE O in an engine build before we go to STAGE 1, stage 2 turbo kit and so on.

That’s why how women think of things and how men think of things are never really going to be on the same page. We simply are not alike. Yet everyone who has been taught to think Progressively has been trained with Egalitarian concepts. That kind of thinking does not work when we try to start building our world.

Say if I said STEEL is strong. Is sucks if you are using steel at sea. It rusts. FIberglass boat hulls can last almost forever.

Women and men all are humans so we could say we are steel. But? There are different grade of steel. The mind f~~~ is that one grade of steel is not the best for all applications. And we are in a current mindset that women and men can not be inferior since it hurts the FEE FEE’s

Now we get to men. Like it or not, Sidecar is not going to get sunburn. He’s also not going to Blush or turn pink. Me an colin are not going to be great hair models. Gravel pit (you) are not going to be great candidates working at at a Liquor store. E.G would not make great Porn with Carmen Electra. BUT HE COULD! See? That’s the problem with humans. THERE IS ALWAYS an exception to the rule.

I.E. :
ME & Colin could get a Hair transplant or wear a Hair system.
You could in fact own the business, and run it.
E.G could just see a F~~~ ton of money and Just put on some Video GLasses and watch Leonardo Dicaprio .

The PROBLEM is that we don’t really have HARD lines. If we did? Then just speaking to each other is easy. But as computers can’t even mimic a human conversation? Its hard for humans to think like a computer with hard rules in any conversation out output of work of thought.

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