Colin Kaepernick

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

First let me say I am on this fence about this guy. On the one hand he annoys me to no end: I get that African Americans are the target of police aggression and in general I deplore the American police culture. However, I am well informed and I tune into the games on Sunday for escapism and to forget the problems of the world, not to hear a sermon. I spend the week browsing alternative websites and I am sympathetic to police violence, I just don’t want to hear about it on Sundays. I can read about that s~~~, if I want, during the week.

But…. Isn’t he the definition of MGTOW on some level? Here is a guy who really has gone his own way. He’s given up millions of dollars and lost his job, drawn the ire of a nation etc…. I am sure he gets the odd death threat. He has accepted this to stand for a cause he believes in, whether or not you believe in the cause or respect the platform he uses communicate it.

I realise there is an element of SJW to his position but does he deserve some respect for sticking to his guns?

This brings up another, more general point. Don’t you have more respect for someone who makes sacrifices to obtain his goals, and will resolutely stick to his principles in the face of adversity, even if you disagree with them, than someone who you agree with who will do nothing for the principles they hold dear? (provided, obviously, were not talking about a Pol Pot or a Chairman Mau type)

Again, I am not for the guy just dropping some ideas to think about.

Thoughts?

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

He is using the dime of someone else to put on a protest. This guy does not even believe what he says. It wasn’t until his girlfriend at the time convinced him. I do not know if she is still involved, but I do know that she is what put him on the road, so he is very much not a MGTOW.

In another aspect, I am against it, because you are putting on a uniform, paid by fans and tax dollars, and you are protesting against both provisions. If you really want to protest, give up the money and play for free. He would have a job if he did that. In the same light, imagine the United States military putting on their uniform and doing the same things he did. It should not be tolerated.

Let him believe what he wants, as that is his right, but do it on his own time and his own dime.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22508]

Nope. He’s an entitled guy, he thinks he deserves to play in the nfl. He’s bitching about how no one will hire him, He refuses to accept the consequences of his actions, and while he is free to do what he wants, teams are free to hire who they want.

I actually read an article discussing this and its not just about his refusals to respect the anthem. There was some really good analysis of his quarterbacking and the ultimate thing is he is not playing the QB spot very well as the game is played today. These teams watch his films and have found he doesn’t scan the entire field (they tell by head movement after the snap) which limits his possibilities – and has apparently affected the team’s play – and that he doesn’t have the throwing control they are looking for. Now add on top of this this stupid anthem crap and nobody wants to touch this, for the privilege of shoveling over millions of dollars a year.

He can do what he wants but so can the teams. Take the consequences. He’s running around like a little bitch acting like he’s being wronged by no one hiring him but that his behavior is totally fine. First it is not; second it primarily is about his style of QBing that the teams have a bigger issue with; third, yeah jackass hurts you when the teams have decided your play style isn’t stellar. That’s a woman move if I have ever saw one.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Yeah I think you make a good point. I mean he knew what was going to happen so he needs to take his lumps and deal with the consequences. The other thing is that 5 years ago a college style of offense became popular in the NFL and teams were trying a lot of wildcat, QB draws etc… QB’s like RGIII and Kaepernick came up during this spell and it has been proven this style will not work in the NFL.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

So glad I posted this as I wanted feedback. ULY makes a good point to. The NFL is a JOB. We all have to act according to the rules of the job. I am in banking and there are some things I disagree with but I don’t go about complaining and jump up on a soapbox because even where I disagree I have an obligation to my employer.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Is he really going “his own way” or the way of the agenda?

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Yeah, and if he wanted to discuss this issues there are other platforms. Again no need to do it at work.

[JVBParticipant]

F~~~ him. Those are my thaugts.

Peace is > piece.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

The NFL spent 50 years developing a product and gaining an audience creating the network to deliver this product to the audience… Its like he is hijacking or stealing there efforts for his own agenda.

I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, exactly, but its obvious that KM spent a lot of time, money, whatever, developing this site so we could discuss issues that matter to us.

Imagine if Feminists hijacked this website to advance their own ideology, its like that. I guess that’s why we are so protective against trolls, tuna etc…

[Anonymous 6]

F~~~ Kap

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Zarathustra wrote:

But…. Isn’t he the definition of MGTOW on some level? Here is a guy who really has gone his own way. He’s given up millions of dollars and lost his job, drawn the ire of a nation etc…. I am sure he gets the odd death threat. He has accepted this to stand for a cause he believes in, whether or not you believe in the cause or respect the platform he uses communicate it.

Sorry to break this to you, but this moron is not a MGTOW…

First off he isn’t going his own way…

He is following an ideology that is openly backed by George Soros, a globalist that has very odious schemes…

An ideology that wants DEAD cops, and that doesn’t look at the empirical data…

This guy is nothing more than a sheep meant to drive more division, and lead the dumb lambs to the slaughterhouse.

How is this going his own way?

I honestly have no respect for this guy, and anyone who does, doesn’t know the whole story behind this idiot…

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Hey, I am not defending the guy just offering some thoughts for consideration. I think we can stick a fork in it: He’s not MGTOW. Being philosophical means being sceptical and considering all the facts. I just wanted to hear the opinions of others and their facts to support the opinion.

[MGTOW KnightParticipant 7477]

Zarathustra wrote:

Hey, I am not defending the guy just offering some thoughts for consideration. I think we can stick a fork in it: He’s not MGTOW.

All good, bro.

I don’t judge people for having their opinions.

I just like to inform people to really test their convictions.

Once you become red pilled, you realize most people believe things without looking at all sides of an issue.

As cynical as this may sound, most people are really dumb, and really narrow minded.

If one researches into Kap they realize he was a adopted, spoiled ass kid.

Now he is bitching because no team wants him, since he is too much of PR problem.

Well the idiot deserves it, and I hope his career burns.

People watch sports to escape politics, but his privileged ass had to interject his opinions into football…

I think he realized that most people give two f~~~s about his opinion, especially when said opinion is based on lies, and contradicts the kush lifestyle he was affored by WHITE adopted parents…

So Kap can

Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Yeah I know what you are saying. That’s why I created this thread. I agree with everything you said but we need to test our assumptions. There are a few elements, on the surface, that could point to him being MGTOW and I just wanted to hear the brotherhood debunk that position.

[Anonymous 6]

Funny how when his career started tanking and he couldn’t do it on the field like he used to, he started this bulls~~~ to stay important.

Now other players are still doing it. Like the Browns players earlier this week. The NFL will continue to lose ratings and ESPN will keep losing. They will get enough of this when it hits them in the pocket book.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Zarathustra wrote:

I get that African Americans are the target of police aggression

Hate to disagree but the statistics DO NOT nor have they ever backed that up. It is a myth.

http://nypost.com/2016/01/02/myth-of-the-cop-killing-epidemic/

[Anonymous 7]

I pay them to dance and sing, and not to hear their opinions.

His adherence to his ideology must not be as important as him making lots of money, for why the uproar to get back to playing a game over starting a nonprofit group to continue “the struggle”?

Yeah, virtue signal away, assholes. Some of us see right through the bs.

Spoiled bratty people trying to keep a steak dinner, but eat it too.

Whatever… first world problems.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

I will defer to your stats Pistol Pete and won’t disagree. However, what I am really saying is that in the current political and cultural environment I can understand why blacks THINK they are unfairly targeted, whether this is in fact true or not. It might seem like I am splitting hairs, but the media does cater to this view point and I can understand why some fall for this “canard”.

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9541]

I’m not much a sports fan, but if I was and I’m paying money to go to a game, I rather see the performance without politics being shoved in my face. Kapernick screwed himself over and because his stunt isn’t going well for him, he’s bitching about it and so are some of his dumbass fans. Besides, for what I hear, he isn’t even a good player anyway. I care NOTHING for him, nor his idiot fans because he disrespected the anthem, the flag and that he isn’t working! The guy’s a hypocrite; he takes a knee because blacks are disadvantaged in America, yet, he’s the one who is black, made millions of dollars playing pro ball in America. I can’t stand people who make good livings in this country and yet hate us.

Also, perhaps the reason why cops go after blacks more than anyone is because there are more black offenders than anyone else. Watch your news; all you see are blacks and Hispanics causing trouble.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[NomadgParticipant 249]

He is a piece of s~~~. His allegiance to the black race is one of convenience and marketing. White mom/black dad given up for adoption and raised by a white family. His entire youth was that of a entitled white child. Why does he now stand with his “black brothers” that he was never part of?
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and our freedom of speech is protected by the constitution and a lot of dead men. However, he is/was being paid millions of dollars to throw a ball around. If he can’t/won’t stand up for our National Anthem there are 1,000 more boys ready to take his place at the drop of a hat. If the NFL and any of the other sports decide to make their entertainment a political statement I’m done. If people quit going and quit watching sports the players will no longer get the big paycheck. Fans won’t give a s~~~. It’s kind of like swallowing the red pill or going MGTOW. Once you truly get it, you can never go back. Once the NFL loses men like me, they will likely never get us back.

F~~~ KAP!

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