Christianity is Unoriginal

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

Christianity is a copy of certain stories in theTorah and the Hindu Bible(Specifically the ones about Krishna). Christ and Krishna were both crucified. The names Christ and Krishna look like the same name in different languages and if you have them both translated, then you will find that they have similar meanings. Both use similar language and wordings when they speak according to the Hindu Bible and the Christian Bible. See for yourselves if you don’t believe it.
http://www.hinduisminfo.com/2011/christ-krishna-christianity-hinduism.html?m=0
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/

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[UntamedParticipant]

Christianity doesn’t look to be “original” nor does it compete with man-made religions. Christianity isn’t “a religion” and Christ didn’t die and rose up again to institute “a religion”. Calling Christianity a religion is moronic.
Christianity doesn’t “copy” the Torah, it TRANSCENDS it and goes beyond it, it fulfills the Torah and the Law found within.

There are many knockoffs of Christ but only One chosen one, only One Saviour and only One Master of this planet and His God-given name is “He Delivers”. He delivers us from the mislead who think atoms just appear out of nowhere and who think their mission in life is to discredit the ONLY Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent mind there ever was, is or will ever be.

No, Christianity isn’t original at all and it doesn’t pretend to be. New Age is original, Satanism is original and “Spirituality” is original. They sound good, too!
Too good to be true.

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[MENGINEERParticipant 583]

The epic of Gilgamesh talked about a great flood ~1000 years before the bible.

Egyptians talked about the holy trinity as in the Orion belt and had superior technology to build structures still standing today…

The bible is merely a collection allegories taken from previous tales around the campfire to get $$$/power/followers. Look up how Peters Pence was invented, or how “indulgences” were forgiven, etc. Read God’s bankers by Gerald Posner to see how they invested with the Nazi party in WW2..

Zeitgeist makes it a little easier visually…

[UntamedParticipant]

The earliest cuneiform references to Gilgamesh are a cycle of Sumerian poems where he appears under the name “Bilgamesh”
The latest and most comprehensive telling of the “Gilgamesh legend” was the twelve-tablet Standard Babylonian Version, compiled circa 1200 BC by the exorcist-priest “mašmaššu”
–God made Himself known to Man at least 5000 BC. ( not counting way back to Adam )
In the Qumran scroll known as Book of Giants (ca. 100 BC) the names of Gilgamesh and Humbaba appear as two of the antediluvian giants, rendered (in consonant form) as ‘glgmš and ḩwbbyš’ The Qumran community, “rebels” to the Romans, were true to God’s word.
Christianity takes its roots “In the beginning” where everything was created “through Him”. The beginning is spelled out in the first Chapter of Genesis.

Just because the Bible is misunderstood doesn’t make it unreal or wrong. The word of God is a perfect admonishment to imperfect Man. It is up to man to find his way through it or perish.

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[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Christianity, like most religions, is syncretic — a combining of different beliefs. So is Islam. There are certainly cross-cultural patterns of themes/beliefs in resurrection, virgin birth, etc though usually the ancient Greco-Roman mystery cults are cited, Mithraism especially, rather than Vedic figures like Krishna, in comparative mythology.

J.D.: I think being ‘unoriginal’ is somewhat subjective; in my opinion, it’s ‘unoriginal’, but this doesn’t make it untrue. In my mind, it certainly makes it suspect.

Untamed: Jesus does NOT fulfill Biblical prophecies about the Messiah. He was not descended from David on his father’s side, among other problems. That is one reason that Jews don’t believe in Jesus. To get around the failure to meet Biblical prophecies, Christians invented the ‘Second Coming’ where Jesus gets a ‘second chance’ to fulfill said Messianic prophecies — but the Jewish prophecies never foretold any such Second Coming. There are many other inherent incompatibilities when you glue Judaism and Christianity together, Obviously, the Trinity is completely incompatible with Jewish conceptions of God. The Torah states the commandments are binding forever; obviously, the new Testament changed them (no more dietary rules, etc). I could go on and on but I think you get my point. Jesus was not a convincing Messiah to the Jews.

Mengineer: Yes, you win the prize. It’s all about money, power, and followers for many religious leaders. The high priest also usually gets a harem, so don’t forget about sex, either. One of my favorite religious figures is the founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith. He had that one down cold! Even under Francis, the Vatican still has rules where releasing confidential documents is punishable by up to 4-8 years in prison. Unlike a corporation, what sort of documents should be ‘confidential’? Why not make all the real estate holdings and finances open to be truly transparent? And why should the Vatican be treated as a State, unlike any other religion? As for the most recent Peters’ Pence scandal, it will doubtless grow wider. But I think you’re referring more to the last thousand years of Peters’ Pence.

[UntamedParticipant]

FrankOne wrote:

Untamed: Jesus does NOT fulfill Biblical prophecies about the Messiah. He was not descended from David on his father’s side, among other problems. That is one reason that Jews don’t believe in Jesus. To get around the failure to meet Biblical prophecies, Christians invented the ‘Second Coming’ where Jesus gets a ‘second chance’ to fulfill said Messianic prophecies — but the Jewish prophecies never foretold any such Second Coming. There are many other inherent incompatibilities when you glue Judaism and Christianity together, Obviously, the Trinity is completely incompatible with Jewish conceptions of God. The Torah states the commandments are binding forever; obviously, the new Testament changed them (no more dietary rules, etc). I could go on and on but I think you get my point. Jesus was not a convincing Messiah to the Jews..

I agree to disagree, FrankOne.

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[RoyDalParticipant]

Here is an excellent book on that fascinating subject. Used copies are cheap, and many libraries will have it since it was a best seller. Dan Brown used this book in writing The Da Vinci Code — this book among others; he published a book list in one of the middle chapters.

Holy Blood, Holy Grail Illustrated Edition: The Secret History of Jesus, the Shocking Legacy of the Grail
Hardcover – October 25, 2005
by Michael Baigent (Author), Richard Leigh (Author), Henry Lincoln (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Blood-Grail-Illustrated-Shocking/dp/038534001X/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1446902422&sr=1-1

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[OhnoParticipant 668]

FrankOne wrote:

Jesus does NOT fulfill Biblical prophecies about the Messiah. He was not descended from David on his father’s side, among other problems.

Jesus is descended from David via his mother Mary, who was of the tribe of Yehuda and thus physically descended from David. Also it wouldnt make sence if Jesus is descended from David via Joseph, because Mary is a virgin.

and what would the other problems be?

There were over 360 prophecies foretold about the coming Jewish Messiah – hundreds of years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Jesus fulfilled all 365 of these prophecies. Of these 360+ prophecies, there are 109 that only Jesus (Yeshua) could have fulfilled. See complete list of 365 Messianic Prophecies

list: http://www.bibleprobe.com/300great.htm

[MENGINEERParticipant 583]

Why would I believe in something/somebody I have never met?

[UntamedParticipant]

MENGINEER wrote:

Why would I believe in something/somebody I have never met?

Yeah, that sounds reasonable… Even ( doubting ) Thomas was a reasonable man. Yet he did see and believed.
John 20:29
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Your question relates to Faith.
Obviously you have none and you’re free not to.

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[HitmanParticipant]

the egyptian book of the dead was plagiarized by most religions we know ..

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Ohno wrote:

FrankOne wrote:

Jesus does NOT fulfill Biblical prophecies about the Messiah. He was not descended from David on his father’s side, among other problems.
German Truther wrote:
Jesus is descended from David via his mother Mary, who was of the tribe of Yehuda and thus physically descended from David. Also it wouldnt make sence if Jesus is descended from David via Joseph, because Mary is a virgin.

Correct — it DOESN’T make sense. Tribal affiliation is passed down from father to son in the Bible. Since Jesus has no father, it is an internal consistency problem.

and what would the other problems be?

The reason you have a ‘second coming’ (let’s call it the Installment Plan Messiah, which, incidentally, was NOT prophesied in the Tanach), is because the Temple was not rebuilt, the exiled Jews did not return to Israel during Jesus’s time, and the other prophecies were not met. There simply is no Jewish prophesy that Jesus was going to come down for a 33-34 year meet and greet, then come back again later in 2000+ years to finish knocking off the prophesies he didn’t finish the first go round.

The problem that occurs when many people write books, and others later decide to compile them into one book (as occurred with the Bible), the finished work has internal consistency problems. Better editing would have fixed it after the various councils decided which books to canonize and which were heresies, apocrypha, etc. They basically had a vote.

Some Biblical prophecies cannot occur, because the individuals who were supposed to perform the acts, are already dead, and the events are now in the past.

Mengineer: I have seen Mel Gibson’s Passion, so that’s good enough for me. I know it’s true.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

FrankOne wrote:

Correct — it DOESN’T make sense. Tribal affiliation is passed down from father to son in the Bible. Since Jesus has no father, it is an internal consistency problem.

oh, he does have a father,,, i thought that would be clear. Jesus is also named the son of god u know.

Ill write about the rest you said, too but my pizza just arrived 😉 But plans to rebuild the temple are finished and they are going to do that in near future, it looks.. Ive read it in the news.

[UntamedParticipant]

Hitman wrote:

the egyptian book of the dead was plagiarized by most religions we know ..

They are into plagiarism and copying. That’s why they expect the Bible to plagiarize other texts and “copy from the Torah”.
The Bible has been so vilified, derided and pushed aside as “myths” for so long that the very idea that it “might” be true is offensive to non-believers so much they’ve been brainwashed into believing the Lie. Proclaiming Christ outside of Church now is liable to get you into a straitjacket faster than you can say “Amen”. Christians are viewed as bumbling morons who believe in fairy tales that belong on a shelf right next to The Never Ending Story and Aladdin And The 40 Thieves.

I don’t try to “convert” anyone because I know that the Spirit moves whomever It wants and arguing the Truth of Christ until you’re blue in the face with someone who hasn’t been given any clue isn’t my idea of fun.
I believe in personal Freedom and only pray for people to wake up.
My all-time favorite quote from the Bible is one attributed to the Creator Himself. “My people will perish for lack of knowledge”.

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[OhnoParticipant 668]

FrankOne wrote:

The reason you have a ‘second coming’ (let’s call it the Installment Plan Messiah, which, incidentally, was NOT prophesied in the Tanach), is because the Temple was not rebuilt,

hmm well i know the romans destoryed jerusalems temple the 2nd time in 70 AC.

But for end times prophecy it is talking about a third temple…and not the rebuild of the same temple destoryed back then ( the leftover of the 2nd temple is the “Wailing Wall” if im not mistaken ) but if i get it right, theres no prophecy of it getting rebuild, but a 3rd temple in Jerusalem in the end times… 2 are already there.

check this out: http://yisrayl-hawkins.com/thirdtemple.html

FrankOne wrote:

Jews did not return to Israel during Jesus’s time,

you mean 2000 years ago? never heard that was a prophecy. For the end times yea…and its half fulfilled. Jesus is the one that will reunite the 12 tribes of israel. the 2 tribes of juda are already there and the 10 missing tribes are divided into the world.

[RennieParticipant]

Hitman wrote:

the egyptian book of the dead was plagiarized by most religions we know ..

*suddenly awakens* NO! YOU MUST NOT READ FROM THE BOOK!

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

FrankOne wrote:

Correct — it DOESN’T make sense. Tribal affiliation is passed down from father to son in the Bible. Since Jesus has no father, it is an internal consistency problem.

The weird thing is that Judaism to this day is passed on through the mother. If your mother is a Jew, you are considered a Jew. That would lead me to believe that tribal affiliation is through the mother. But in the bible, when they go through genealogy, they go by father son. Something else must pass through father son for them to explain lineage that way.

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[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

uchibenkei wrote:

FrankOne wrote:

Correct — it DOESN’T make sense. Tribal affiliation is passed down from father to son in the Bible. Since Jesus has no father, it is an internal consistency problem.

The weird thing is that Judaism to this day is passed on through the mother. If your mother is a Jew, you are considered a Jew. That would lead me to believe that tribal affiliation is through the mother. But in the bible, when they go through genealogy, they go by father son. Something else must pass through father son for them to explain lineage that way.

Judaism had a patrilineal period, before the 2nd century CE; after that, it became matrilineal. Today, the picture is a bit more complicated, with, say, Karaite Jews being patrilineal and Conservative Jews favoring matrilineal. Reform used to require conversion if one parent was non-Jewish, but no longer does in the US.

Since the Bible was written before the change to matrilineal, that is why the genealogies are all about men begetting. The part that leads to begetting is fun but they leave that out except in Song of Solomon.

As for what passes from father to son, that would be mojo, but they didn’t have a word for it.

Most religions are a change-o-rama; with changing social norms, views on slavery, treatment of other religions, apostasy, genocide, collective punishment, the divine right of Kings vs democracy, among a small handful. They change with the times, and Judaism, is no exception.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

That makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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[OhnoParticipant 668]

FrankOne wrote:

Today, the picture is a bit more complicated, with, say, Karaite Jews being patrilineal and Conservative Jews favoring matrilineal. Reform used to require conversion if one parent was non-Jewish, but no longer does in the US.

It doesnt matter. Views, rules and laws made by man have zero authority over the rules and laws of the bible.

Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

FrankOne wrote:

Most religions are a change-o-rama; with changing social norms, views on slavery, treatment of other religions, apostasy, genocide, collective punishment, the divine right of Kings vs democracy, among a small handful. They change with the times, and Judaism, is no exception.

I tend to agree BUT Christianity isnt a religion! Catholicism is a religion for example.
Religion is defined as an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods. (made by man)

Corinthians 3:16

Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

Matthew 6:1-34

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. …

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