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I recently started dating this girl that I’ve had an off/on again relationship with. In an effort to setup relationship etiquette and boundaries I asked her if she would like the chivalric approach or the feminists equality approach. I laid out all the various things I would expect her to do if we were considered equal, and all the benefits she would lose from the chivalric approach i.e. chair moving, standing when 1 seat is present, door holding etc.
She then went on to say “I’ve always liked chivalry. However, I don’t want you to do anything for me because you think I expect it. I want you to do something for me because you want too…if that makes sense.”
I then replied with, “chivalry extends from the notion that the fairer sex is the weaker sex and deserves special treatment as a result. I like it if you like it. Let me know if you change your mind.”
She texts back, “Yes, however, it makes me feel special, and I like feeling special, even though that’s where it originated.”
My question being, is she basically saying she wants all the benefits of chivalry and accepts the archaic notion that shes the weaker sex. (…. suure..)
Or does she just like to enjoy the special treatment, but doesn’t care that it originates out of inequality and shes just OK with it?
More importantly, does this chivalrous approach net me any extra bonuses over the feminists equality train ? And did she just hop on the gravy train and deny it’s origin?
Did I just **** myself? Thanks =) Also, first post on this site. New member. Dodged a bullet in 2012.
My question being, is she basically saying she wants all the benefits of chivalry and accepts the archaic notion that shes the weaker sex. (…. suure..)
Believe me, that’s just what they say to get free s~~~, as soon as there’s anything to gain from it, women like to be “weak” or “victims”.
Personally I will ALWAYS by default stick with the 50/50 approach, bitches wanted equality, they’ll get it. If they “like the traditional approach”, well I’ll like the traditional approach too, and tell them to stfu, suck my dick and make me a sandwich, since they like it old school.
It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.
What are the benefits of chivalry?
Absolutely f~~~ing nothing…if you’re a MAN.
Women can really benefit from chivalry. They get their meals paid for, their asses kissed, their every want and need in life generally paid for, and getting to act like a bitch in public when there are a thousand white knighting manginas close by to “defend her honor” if any man she bitches at and tries to hit decides to defend himself.
And all the while, women get to claim how strong and independent they are…while STILL demanding that men give them the normal traditional style of chivalry.
Equality and chivalry cannot exist under the same roof.
Being chivalrous if you’re a man means that you have less money in your bank account, you’re constantly on call to make a bitch happy, you always have to run around to open doors for them, even if they don’t even like it, but it’s still expected.
I just texted her back, “So you want the old school approach, okay =) when that stops working for you we can do the 50/50.”
She replies, “Oh don’t worry. There definitely will be effort on my part as well.”
To which I ask, “Do tell?”
and I get, “Nope. It’s up for your own discovery.”
At this point it’s thick with BS.
I send back, “Upon reading, “it’s up for your own discovery” I think it best we stick with the equality approach.
She replies, “That isn’t what we agreed to a moment ago.”
I return, “Yes but I don’t like “it’s up for your own discovery.” Lets just be equals.”
She was going to run with that chivalrous check to the bank I suppose.
Recently a woman accused me of being “chivalrous”.
And as a man, when I’m accused of something, I think about what that something is before running my mouth. Since a woman accused me of being it, I chose to define “chivalry” in terms that a woman could understand.
The only reason I held the door open for this woman, is because I thought she was going to walk right into it and give herself a big nasty bump on the head… and we can’t have that.
I don’t like bruised peaches either – and that’s not “chivalry”.
Women don’t seem to be able to open anything correctly without a man’s help.
A jam jar ….. a conversation ….. potato chips…… nail polish…… their legs.So why would a DOOR be any different??
So ladies, please don’t call me chilvarous just because I don’t like a woman to hurt herself. Persistence, alcohol, and making sure your woman isn’t banging into any doors has worked since the beginning of time.
“CHIVARLY” —>> is when some poor shmuck has to put on his suit of armor and make sure his slutty girlfriend isn’t whoring herself out for more male attention on Match.com / Tinder / F~~~book / or any other dating websites.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I pulled the chivalry, told her we’re going 50/50.
Shes okay with it as long as I still view her as special. (Told her I did. Shes actually a nice lady, but just another lady.)
I honestly don’t care if shes okay with it or not because equal is equal.
Also, been giving her the D religiously to where shes drowning the sheets, that seems to temporarily cloud her judgement. Just like all the other girls until you get into month 6 or 8.
Shes okay with it as long as I still view her as special.
OK I wasn’t going to be rude spell it out but now I am forced to.
STOP. TREATING. WOMEN. LIKE. THIS.Guys who extend women unearned courtesy worship and adoration JUST because they are female have a f~~~ing screw loose. I don’t even blame women anymore for being all f~~~ed up about chivalry. I blame the f~~~ing men who perpetuate this s~~~. Wanna know what I tell a woman who wants to be treated special???
“Honey…. if you want to be treated special… you’re going to have to BE special.
Get busy, or shut the f~~~ up.”That’s the gist of it.
It’s not up to YOU to just automatically think of women as “special”.
It’ up to HER to make the effort it show that she IS.That’s what “equality” means. It means NOT special.
“I’ve always liked chivalry. However, I don’t want you to do anything for me because you think I expect it. I want you to do something for me because you want too…if that makes sense.”
Of course you do. Who the f~~~ wouldn’t like it?? I get to take off my jacket and lay it down over a puddle so that you can scamper over it to save your shoes? YAY. What’s for you not to like? I lower myself to gutter-licking lows so that you can feel superior for no goddam reason. And not only do you want me to do that s~~~ because YOU like it… you want me to lower myself because I like it.
See how f~~~ed up that is????
GREAT for her. BAD for you.
And the worst of it is, the more chivalry you extend to women…..
the LESS she will respect and be willing to f~~~ you.STOP IT
/audio/how-to-treat-women/STOP IT NOW
/audio/do-not-worship-women/If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.OK I wasn’t going to be rude spell it out but now I am forced to. STOP. TREATING. WOMEN. LIKE. THIS.
I’m not sure but I think she was referring to being my GF, not being a special GF among many non-existent GFs. However, I can certainly see where you’re coming from, tis a fine point.
For the record, I don’t elevate women I date to deity status because historically it ends in friend zone. I learned that in my early twenties. Thanks for the advice, any further advice is welcomed.
After living with my fiance (different woman) in Texas for a few years, I began to see all my earnings were going towards HER new car note, HER student loan bills, HER credit card bills from before we met, HER dog maintenance, HER ideal dates, HER alcohol wino habit, HER current student tuition fees.
She had it all in place to run me into the ground like a dog, and pick up and move on her merry way as soon as she graduated. She nitpicked over the tiniest things, like the thermostat being flipped from heat to AC etc. She would cook huge messy meals that would have me doing dishes for over an hour every night, and INSIST that I stand with her in the kitchen to cook and “be with her” even though my job requires me to stand on my feet while she sits her fatass in a chair all day.
This led to me standing for 12+hrs a day then I’d be giving HER the footrubs. I decided to get the hell out of there, to this day my married friends and family members will give me knucklebumps in private for dodging the marriage bullet, they even tell me to this day to never EVER EVER get married.
Chivalry is nothing more than, going into an investment with a loss, with the only pay-off coming with a, “maybe”.
Chivalry as just being nice, for being nice to any person, as long it doesn’t cost you anything, sure do it, the second a cost on your side is calculated, reconsider the person in question.
Being a Joker is far more enjoyable though.
I have given that same choice to a couple of women here and there over the years. They invariably choose chivalry on the expectation of all the free, unearned benefits they get with it. My response has been “I can do traditional chivalry if you can do traditional woman…”. They nod (as if they have some idea what the means). Then I explain that in exchange for the chivalry of being protected and provided for, traditional women took care of all the cooking and cleaning, respected and never argued with their men, and generally did whatever they were told…
yeah… you can guess what happened from there…
However, for the record, if there was a way to trade chivalry for a woman like that (and some sort of guarantee that she wouldn’t turn into the women we have now), I would probably see it as a reasonable trade: I meet her needs, she meets mine. I’m just not gullible enough to believe that any woman available to me today would hold up her end of that trade.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
yeah… you can guess what happened from there…
It’s quite startling when you have the red pill still dissolving to see just how real this stuff operates on a daily level. It’s uncanny. Particularly the entitlement attitudes.
I was on the fence about getting married, thinking maybe I just found a crazy one, now I realize they’re all crazy by design and I’m better off remaining a bachelor. I was sleeping with 20 year olds just last year and I’m 31. On another note, young women these days are promiscuous nasty sloots, I’m not sure when it started but damn.
I am still learning mind tricks women use that I’ve over looked for decades and smacking my forehead saying, “BUT OF COURSE!”
Hey Exsliventxs, I just dodged a similar bullet like you did. Seems as though we both took the red pill relatively recently. I’m glad you found MGTOW just in time, like me. Living with my girlfriend, picking her up from the train every single night, and if I was a minute late, I would hear the mouth all f~~~ing night. If I walked away during a conversation for 3 seconds to shut the light off in the other room after already giving 10 minutes of undivided attention, she would get p~~~ed off and argue with me all night leading to disconnection, no sex, and going to sleep p~~~ed off into the next day. She’s a feminist and doesn’t believe in “serving her man a plate of food” at a bbq or other social function since it’s “beneath her” to be seen that way. She always wanted me to help do dishes or make my own lunch for the next day, everything with her was 50/50 or nothing at all. She’s one of those facebook freaks who is CONSTANTLY on her phone 24/7… addicted like I’ve never seen. Her phone was practically glued to her hand all day long, even during dinner sometimes, and that s~~~ used to p~~~ me the f~~~ off.
One night I asked if she could make my lunch since I was tired and needed a shower from a hard day at work, she told me “make your own lunch, there’s nothing wrong with your hands.” She would go out with friends for drinks after work and stay out until midnight when I specially told her that I need to get to bed early for work the next day, then when she would call me, she would argue and give me an arrogant attitude b/c she’s the type of drunk that likes to fight, argue, and be quick to get defensive. She would not answer any of my questions directly. She tried to run the show, take control, and make all the decisions in the relationship, trying to slowly turn me into her puppet or lap dog that would say “yes dear” for every request. It wasn’t until she took a month long business trip outside the country, where I had the time to be alone in peace and evaluate what was happening to me, before I came to the realization on how she’s just trying to trap me. I sat there in quiet, knowing she was millions of miles away, then all the realizations started hitting me one after the other. It was in her absence that I realized how happy I was to not have her around. Check out my thread “marriage, mortage, kids…f~~~ that s~~~.”
It’s amazing how being in a woman’s daily presence masques all realizations on what the f~~~ is actually going on in your reality. I noticed how you mentioned that 6-8 month mark things started to change. I believe you shouldn’t go longer than 6-8 months with a woman, because by that point the “honeymoon period” starts to fade, and they start withholding the sex, pussy starts to get drier, the excuses “too tired” and what not start to emerge, and random blow jobs are a thing of the past. You shouldn’t have to demand or ask for a blow job in a relationship! This is why I am now MGTOW. F~~~ women. They are all the same and deserve to be used for their pussy, then tossed for the next fresh bait waiting to get piped by my c~~~.
Wait…wait…3, 2, 1…detonate!
This is a graphic example of what will inevitably happen when she realizes she’s bored with you and that you no longer make her feel “special”. So goes the nature of the beast. I hope you’re o.k. with the inevitable outcome? Just realize this is what always happens sooner or later….
HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...Indeed, Soul Man. We are disposable to them.
There are no benefits of chivalry for you unless if you are a gay man and are trying to raise your sexual market value in the eyes of other gay men by being chivalrous towards them.
Other than that, I cannot think of any benefit chivalry gives a human male.
I think chivalry in its classical sense is and should be dead. The basic concept is flawed. I am in a great relationship most find bizarre. We actually switched traditional roles for a day. Well… actually we had to assume roles to begin with. We are very non-traditional. My GF had to be chivalrous to me all day. If she didn’t open a door I refused to walk through it and so on. She thought it sucked. I thought it was great. Of course at baseline whoever gets to the door first just opens it out of courtesy normally, but for our experiment I insisted on her chivalry, and she was rightfully annoyed by it. I don’t advocate classical chivalry, but I do think courtesy is just being a good person. I hold the door for old men, and have no alterior motives.
I think women who insist on it are playing on their social advantages over men. If we turn the tables it’s considered rude. How is that equality?
You are so right. Funny thing is once you both admit the other is ultimately disposable, you act differently, and honestly, and can actually have a good relationship. If I treat my GF like crap she’ll leave, but she also knows the shoe fits the other foot. It makes arguments much more civil knowing that the other can throw you the bird and leave. I’m disposable, so I don’t over invest, and neither does she. Not to say not invested, just not overly invested. We own 2 homes, 2 cars, a domestic agreement (like a prenup for unmarried cohabitators) separate finances, and we keep it that way. Either one of us can blow the popcicle stand at anytime.
76binder,
Your girlfriend should write a book: “how to get and keep a man”Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
The benefits of Chivalry?…. none, that’s it, none.
I would say a women expecting chivalry is like her opening a credit card and you are the bank; she expects a high credit limit wants to charge it to the max and flakes out when you come looking for a partial minimum payment.
Yes BrainPilot she should, but it would be so poopoo’d and “distasteful” to the sheeple that hardly anyone would gain anything from it. Imagine a woman admitting that she’s not weaponizing the pussy. That sex is a form of currency, but can be fairly exchanged for a win-win outcome. Realize that the day she quits meeting my needs I’m under no obligation to continue meeting hers. Of course there’s give and take, good days and bad days. We’re human and fallable, but mulligans are earned not demanded. She is a .01%er.
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