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Raj 2 years, 5 months ago.
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This is a rant; So you’ve been warned. It’s more of a personal message, not really meant to incite a discussion, just more of me exercising some of my writing.
Another MGTOW replied to a comment I made. The hardest part of being MGTOW is not having any children. It breaks my heart to know my lineage won’t pass on to the next generation. It’s even harder on my dad to see his bloodline die out.
I’m a Hetero, White, Christian, American, Male, pretty much the worst thing that exists on the planet right now. Well educated, kind, handsome, and hardworking. I’m INFERRING but it is a pretty good estimate that at least 60% of white millenial males and younger do not have any children. Although it’s probably higher. It is a crushing thought to think of the genocide that’s being carried out here, right before our very eyes.
There is one positive that I find in this. I know that within my life time there will be a judgement of the world to those who are responsible for this. Women included. Whether it be in this life or the next. It is as sure as the sun rising in the east. I’m not talking some magical supreme judgement, or the actions of a divine spirit, just simple cause and effect.
Economic collapse, EMP, WW3, Pandemic, immigration invasion, tyrannical government/ martial law, a.i robotic war, etc. There are so many potential harbingers of this suffering and death that it’s essentially guaranteed at this point. Men like us built most of the western world. We created and shared most of the technologies that have been used by the rest of the world, we brought them up to speed and advanced the world technologically and medically.
My advice is this. We are biologically programmed to want to reproduce, it hurts when we fight this urge, it’s supposed to. To those MGTOW’s who can’t bring themselves to bring children into this world so that they won’t have to suffer too I say this; The world will cry out and weep when they see what they have done. However much pain the thought of not having children may cause you, it will be carried out thrice fold on those responsible and their ilk.
If there is a God in heaven I hope he will punish them with disease, famine, and war. It will be a blessing to know that only you will have to suffer this and not your children. Your very nature on this planet is to struggle and suffer. To be alive is to be in a constant fight for existence. From the procurement of food and water to finding safe and adequate shelter. Every second of every day is suffering. If your heart breaks with the thought of knowing no woman is worthy of carrying your seed, rejoice in the knowledge that you will never have to look into your son’s eyes and see same pain that you feel now, and more so, that those who inflict this upon you will.
I was once a great king, I believe you were too. I hope you believe in me, I hope you believe in you.
If you had children, you’d be disappointed about how little influence in their upbringing you’re allowed to have. There’s no overriding peers, public schools, their mom, television, cartoons, movies and other forms of brainwashing propaganda.
In the end you’ll be left wondering – is that really my child or society’s childproud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
Disease is already exploding, look at the number of women that have STDs. These STDs are mutating and it’s matter of time before Mother Nature thins the herd in a big way.
"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."
f~~~ f~~~~~ little kids. There is no “lineage”, no one will remember you or give a f~~~ just like you dont remember or give a f~~~ about your great-great grandfather. There is no “bloodline”, if you go back far enough s~~~ tons of people are related to each other, and even then you’re just a number on a population census, not a f~~~ing Von Habsburg.
pulling poor souls out of the void so you could have your life’s ego trip (dumping your load in a monkey and raising more little monkeys) is sick and only serves to create more horror-porn for the wicked evil demiurge that created all of this mess to beat off to from his space ship in the heavens.
sooner or later, everyone will die, and everyone will be forgotten.
Hey, c’mon now, that’s retarded. There is some value in having kids. You’re being way too negative. You sound like a 15yo. If it wasn’t for my daughter, I could had offed myself. She brought lots of happiness and meaning to my life, much more than her mom did. Chill out dude. Your opinion on this is very limited compared to those who are fathers
proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
I get you, Raj.
Not much can be done about it, though.Like the other guys have said; even if you had a kid you would be very disappointed in how much influence you really have on them in this current world.
The children of the world belong to the society they are living in; so, unless you are able to raise your kids in your own way, off the grid and away from society, they will reflect society.We MGTOW are also a reflection of our society.
Our actions may be helping us men as individuals,
but society, as a whole, is probably declining more as a result.I’ve never wanted children, don’t want to pass any of my traits or genes on to anyone. It’s just a personal thing .. I have no urge for creating family situation. Prefer living alone.
The way I see it, we lost track of the real purpose of reproduction. It used to be a matter of survival, but now it is seen as an imperative for economic growth, as an agent for perpetual materialistic consumption.
Reproduction for the sake of reproduction is way too easy. 7 billion humans is proof of that. The challenge resides in inhibiting that biological urge/instinct/emotion for the right reasons, your reasons. One should not feel guilt for not perpetuating his lineage or bloodline. It’s not a failure.
As the great Terrence McKenna used to say : “Culture is not your friend”. Culture is a form of social engineering and it forces societal expectations on the individual. We need people with critical thinking, not sheep.
Let go of that guilt. Live your life for you, not someone else.
This message is for Subhuman. After reading your post here. I decided to check out some of your other posts, just to see what kind of “guy” you were.
You seem to have a mean streak that is irrational and defying logic.
If you can honestly answer these two question, I will leave you alone.
What color is your hair? Today.
What color was it before you dyed it?I’m pretty sure you are trying to Antifa all over this website.
Its a horrible feeling to think your kids have been or will be taken from you.
I know !
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
The deepest foundation of my mgtow philosophy is that I do not owe a relationship to any person, or the benefits of a relationship with me to any person. Until I understood this and put it into practice, I was a pretty screwed up guy.
Now that I know and practice this, it serves me very well in avoiding or escaping many of the paths to the s~~~ vortex. Here’s how it applies to children:
Children are one of the potential benefits of a relationship with me. But they are not my children. And they are not my benefit. If I made the error of getting into a marriage or getting some woman pregnant, it would probably be of some benefit to the world, and it would certainly be of significant benefit to the woman who would own them. But it would not benefit me. I would be lucky to have a relationship with them. The benefit to the woman and the rest of the world would be a gift from me that would not be reciprocated.
But I do not owe this gift to the world, or to any woman. It could be argued that with the taxes I’ve already paid, and the women who have already benefitted from the relationships that I’ve already had… that the world, and the women I’ve benefitted in it, owe something to me. It could be argued that in exchange for the benefit I’ve already provided, they owe me a world safe for me to bring kids into, and some respect for my rights and my role as a father.
That debt to me is not going to get paid. So I will not be stepping up and providing that unreciprocated gift…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Jesus said let the children come unto me. Children are a blessing and I think Raj is right, it is very hard to abandon the notion of having children. Yes they can be problematic, expensive and sometimes disappointing. But some of the happiest moments in my life were spent with my friends kids.
Sorry subhuman there is such a thing as linage. check out how many people are deep DEEP off into genealogy. Ever life has meaning and we all stand on the shoulders of those who came before. I will say that given the state of the world if I had kids I would be a paranoid wreck!
Don’t believe me ask some of our MGTOW Brothers who HAVE kids what it is like to be denied access to them. Take a look at the thread TWIST posted yesterday. Its heartbreaking.
My heart has the same pains, Raj. I feel your pain.
Being in the military affords me a sad bubble with which to see so many kids swooped up under the arms of soldiers; waiting for daddy to get back, missing the first steps, the first words, the BIRTH for Christ’s sake… I see the wives clutching their husbands as they return, some with happy news that they are going to be a father.
It is hard to be a MGTOW who desperately wants a child. Being so far away from anything I’ve ever known, loneliness creeps up on you like a wicked sin. I’ve been 21 for a few months now and still avoid alcohol like the plague – I fear it may consume me in my isolation from all the good I’ve known outside of the service.
All I know is that I yearn to pass on my knowledge and experience to someone who can learn from my mistakes, in order to avoid making them again. If it is not a child of my own blood then so be it, though I will do everything in my power to create a life with which to give happiness.
Children are a vestige of innocence in this world.
Logic guides your actions, emotion guides your morals. Only you may decide how you use them.
Anonymous18I agree with the sentiments, but for the quote below:
There is one positive that I find in this. I know that within my life time there will be a judgement of the world to those who are responsible for this.
This is merely a comforting thought but reality isn’t in agreement.
The riches have belonged to ones that screwed others over.
The dead man is always wrong.
The hardest part of being MGTOW is not having any children. It breaks my heart to know my lineage won’t pass on to the next generation. It’s even harder on my dad to see his bloodline die out.
When it comes to mgtow having children there is no ruling on that at all simply because a mgtow could have had been married then got divorced or a mgtow could have knocked a woman up (whether she dug through the f~~~ing trash, was too lazy to put on a condom, the condom broke etc).
As long as a man primarly focuses on his mission in life, i do not give a s~~~ if he had a couple of accidents or had kids from a previous marriage.
I’m a Hetero, White, Christian, American, Male, pretty much the worst thing that exists on the planet right now.
The reason being a Christian male sucks is that Christianity probhits sexual activity outside of marriage so if you do not wanna be a hypocrite you cannot have sex due to the marriage requirement.
For me since i do not believe in God i do not believe in restricting sex so i can have sex outside of marriage. Hell even relationships are not a requirement for me, i do not need to know a woman or get personal with one to f~~~.
There is one positive that I find in this. I know that within my life time there will be a judgement of the world to those who are responsible for this
Those who are responsible for the s~~~ we currently are in are dead and have been dead for decades now.
Every first wave feminist and first wave cuck is dead and the majority of them have been dead for over 70 years now.
If there is a God in heaven I hope he will punish them with disease, famine, and war. It will be a blessing to know that only you will have to suffer this and not your children.
My children and grandchildren will probably be living in s~~~tier times then where i live today in the course of history.
In fact i am willing to bet that even the time of my death will not be as bad as what any potential children or grandchildren might have to face (i could die in the 2020’s to 2060’s or even the f~~~ing 2010’s if i am a really unlucky bastard).
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
Well I partially agree with OP. It’s better not to bring another life to this s~~~fest.
In regards to sub human, I agree also with you, f~~~ kids, its all bulls~~~.
There is people here who doesn’t agree with sub human, but THIS IS MGTOWWWWW (kick to hole). And the guy is entitled to his opinion, irrational? Maybe… but what about he is right?
NO ONE HERE HOLDS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
I repeat my selft F~~~ KIDS, F~~~ GENES, F~~~ HUMANITY, F~~~ THE EARTH, BRING THE NUKES MOTHER F~~~ERSSSS. 🖕
that’s my insanity contribution to this thread.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
This is a rant
OK. By all means , fire off a few rounds. That’s what the forums are for. As long as you don’t hit (or hurt) anyone.
On kids…. you may want to sit back and re-evaluate.
You’re a (western) man. It’s a FACT –>> the only kids you can have are the kids a woman ALLOWS you to have.
Don’t think for a second that squirting in a female and punching out a clone of yourself is some kind of “accomplishment” you’re missing out on. When you think about it, any monkey can “have a kid”. C~~~raaches, rats and chickens have kids too.
I’m not downplaying fatherhood. I was a coach and teacher of kids for 5 years – ages 6-18 and post graduates. I LOVE them and it’s mutual. But I’m a man. We contribute more to the planet than just excrement.
Keep it in perspective.
Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner also had a kid(s). Right? And if shim had his goddam sex change 30 years ago, his “kids” would be stains on a mattress somewhere.
Think about it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Men can’t have children. They are the mother’s children. They are the state’s children. They are never your children.
You just get the bill. That’s definitely still yours.
So why waste energy over something you can’t have?
It breaks my heart to know my lineage won’t pass on to the next generation.
Consider it liberating instead. Life is going to suck ass for future generations. Why would you want to inflict that s~~~ on your progeny?
More importantly, since you have no stake in the future, you have no responsibility for it either. Global warming? Who cares? Peak oil? Not your problem. Overpopulation? Not your fault. Ozone layer depletion? After your time. Water quality? Just so long as you get enough. And so on.
They don’t let men have children? Then men don’t have to give a f~~~ about theirs. Let them inherit what’s left.
pulling poor souls out of the void so you could have your life’s ego trip (dumping your load in a monkey and raising more little monkeys) is sick and only serves to create more horror-porn for the wicked evil demiurge that created all of this mess to beat off to from his space ship in the heavens.
sooner or later, everyone will die, and everyone will be forgotten.
To add to your optimism, if the human race doesn’t figure out how to leave this rock in a few hundred millennia, our sun will naturally destroy the earth as it swells into a red giant.
Yet the human race is worried about transgender bathrooms and non-binary pronouns.
200 million years will be gone before we know it. And sunscreen will not help here:
With the level of humans mass-reproducing today, divine intervention might be an alien return to this rock in space to give us all a collective bitchslap.
If women ran the world = It would become the shithole you are seeing.
That is the thing too.
Unless you’re Amish or can homeschool in a state that respects and has laws favoring (or no laws hindering) homeschooling, you would be surprised at how much you cannot raise your kid the way you want to. And how much everyone else thinks they have legitimate claim to put ideas in your kids heads regardless of what you want.
It has been one of the worries I had, it was the number 2 one behind the potential of going through a divorce and having my kid used as a weapon and threat in family court against me and also as a means for an ex to get money for herself. Nowhere do women have to prove they spend child support 100% on the child’s expenses/needs. So that would be alimony part 2.
God said be fruitful and multiply. Well we have 7.5 billion people here, I think we’ve accomplished that. So what if populations go down. Why is it seen as they must always increase? Too many people in confined spaces causes lots of mental and social problems. Yet these people voluntarily live in racked and stacked cages (apartments bldgs) and their neighbors make them psycho and snap for all sorts of reasons.
No, not everyone has to have kids. If they say it’s selfish, ask them why should one have kids. Every single answer they give you is for THEIR own selfish reasons. They wanted to. They wanted kids. They are cute. They will take care of us when we are older. They are tax deductions. They keep you young. It’s cheaper watching them than cable. All selfish reasons. So don’t let that guilt shaming crap bother you, throw it right back in the faces.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
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