Chaos Magic and Satanism

[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

Anyone interested please message me, or email, and we can talk about forming a group that doesn’t step on toes here with others religious views unnecessarily.

Chaos Magic
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Liber Null and the Psychonaut – Peter Caroll
The Book of Results – Ray Sherwin
Liber al Vel Legis – Aleister Crowley
The Book of Pleasure – Austin Osman Spare
Basic Sigil Magic – Frater U:.D:.

for more information please see the website: http://www.chaosmatrix.org

Satanism
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The Satanic Bible – Anton Szandor LaVey
The Satanic Rituals- Anton Szandor LaVey (with rituals by Dr. Micheal Aquino Ph.d)

The Philosophy of Mathematics – Betrand Russell

Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television – Jerry Mander

Necronomincon: Collected Works of H.P. Lovecraft

The AntiChrist – Friedrich Nietzsche
Beyond Good and Evil – Friedrich Nietzsche
Thus Spoke Zarathustra – Friedrich Nietzsche

SuperNormal – Dr. Dean Radin Ph.D

Philosophy: Who Needs It? – Ayn Rand
Atlas Shrugged – Ayn Rand
The Virtue of the Selfishness – Ayn Rand
The Fountain Head – Ayn Rand

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[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Well, if people here can talk about god as their lord and saviour, then you can talk about satan. Simple as that.

“True” satanists may smile or frown when I say I see myself as a mixture of an atheist and modern satanist (but that does not define me like all those trans-something tumblerina’s you see everywhere on the internet), so I’m asking what you intend to do with this, either here or somewhere else where MGTOW satanists can/will talk?

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[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

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[Anonymous 24]

Nerevar wrote:

Well, if people here can talk about god as their lord and saviour, then you can talk about satan. Simple as that.

Agreed. My rule of thumb is usually Carlin style-

“Keep thy religion to thyself”.

If that is not done, then it is free game, and as an Atheist, I view it all as equal amounts of nonsense that has not done much good for the world when shared collectively, as for individuals, I have no doubt it can be a good thing for many. I see far too many Christians here remain silent while Muslim nations are destroyed for dubious reasons at best. “Thou shall not kill” Should be changed to “Thou shall not kill those of the same religion” if we were to be honest about it.

[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

I started in the occult at 18, 28 years old now I am very confident in my skills. I was a member of the Temple of Set for almost 2 years and Church of Satan and was raised Russian Orthodox. I respect those whom disagree under their right of free speech and freedom of religion.

Prominent organizations are as follows:

The Church of Satan

The Satanic Temple

The Temple of Set

These are the most prominent with many founding members possessing PhD’s. While some of these groups accept the existence of a Prince of Darkness (Principle of Isolate Intelligence) most retain their atheistic/agnostic status.

Hopefully we can establish useful dialogue.

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[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

‘Nuns have no fun’

King Diamond

[HitmanParticipant]

MGTOW medic,
curious to know..
why are you in a field that saves lives when you have a belief system such as your’s?

[Anonymous 24]

Hitman wrote:

MGTOW medic,
curious to know..
why are you in a field that saves lives when you have a belief system such as your’s?

My guess is the beliefs are not what you think they are, I could be wrong though.

[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

Hitman wrote:

MGTOW medic,
curious to know..
why are you in a field that saves lives when you have a belief system such as your’s?

Good question, been asked it before. Depends on the specific area within the Left Hand Path you are referencing. A Satanist wouldn’t deny that accident’s happen to innocent people. People ask the same thing to Ayn Rand when they refer to her properly defined selfish philosophy, referred to as Objectivism. Satanism was greatly impacted by this rationally self-interested philosophy. Even though an Objectivist is rationally self interested an emergency concerning innocent lives is an important matter.

Actually, for a Left Hand Path practitioner this life is what matters the most. I accept that being a Medic I am to care for myself first, simply because if I injure myself while trying to help someone, then I will be no good to them. To this day we train medics that their safety comes first.

Satanism is simply the other side. Satan means the opposition. Rather than spirituality based on mysticism. It’s best to build a “religion” on firm ground knowledge. Science would be one of those, and medical science is included in this. If we have the knowledge on how to prevent death, why wouldn’t we?

Anton even mentions that Compassion is not Anti-Satanic. Why? Because compassion is rational. Altruism or self-sacrifice (of which we see in Buddhism and Christianity, with the Crucifix being the ultimate symbol of self sacrifice.) is clearly not so rational, rather pure altruism is almost suicidal.

Thomas Hobbs is also referenced in Satanism, his book Leviathan references a form of morality based on “social contracts.” Something that pushes us toward rational thought and away from acting like a dog. While Satanists accept that we are animals, we are smart enough to form social contracts that increase our chance of survival. *MGTOW BREAK: women f~~~ up social contracts, via Lesser Magic. Lesser Magic being the basic manipulation used to get what they want. It’s used in many things, Emile Durkheim called it Dramaturgy.* Other forms could exist subconsciously in television shows pushing certain narratives like submission to tyrannical governments, or femenism (such as the new sitcom American Housewife), In a more abstract and complex form Lesser Magic could manifest in military activities such as the Psy-Op program in the military of which a prominent Satanist/Setian was involved in. Maj. Micheal Aquino, now a PhD in Political Science.

In the 1980’s there was a huge push by daytime talk shows to drag well paid actors on TV and make false statements that “Satanists” were killing babies, mutilating cows (which before this was thought to be the work of Aliens), run drug rings, rape women, and literally worship a god name Satan. This was all nonsense and fake. Geraldo, one of the main leaders of daytime Satanic Panic spreaders, actually came out and apologized for spreading pandemonium on no evidence or faked videos. The FBI actually came out debunking about 97% of the claims that Satanists were child killers and drug lords. The people whom claimed to be Ritual Abuse Survivors were in turn found attempting to scam their insurance for psychological counseling. So most of them seemed to have serious mental problems to begin with.

If you watch the show and then follow how the accusations played out during the Salem Witch Trials, they almost match up exactly. It’s pretty entertaining to say the least. lol

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[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

Nerevar wrote:

Well, if people here can talk about god as their lord and saviour, then you can talk about satan. Simple as that.

“True” satanists may smile or frown when I say I see myself as a mixture of an atheist and modern satanist (but that does not define me like all those trans-something tumblerina’s you see everywhere on the internet), so I’m asking what you intend to do with this, either here or somewhere else where MGTOW satanists can/will talk?

Well, MGTOW has been getting media attention. I would hope they don’t make some off the wall association that not only are we “ANGRY VIRGINS WHO CAN’T GET WOMEN” but that we are also “VIRGIN DEVIL WORSHIPPERS.” Honestly, with the s~~~ media we have today I could see that happening.

If anyone has ideas there are many groups with well functioning messages boards that also know nothing of MGTOW. The Luciferian Research Society is one of many.

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[Anonymous 2]

I’ve read the Satanic bible. I’d say the work is more of a Spartan / humanitarian manifesto then an actual religion. While I do think it has enough holes to satisfy a room full of pussy-starved White Knights, the basic ideas are pretty sound.

However, it also has a bit (A LOT) of showmanship when it comes down to inverted Christian symbolism. What got me interested in Satanism also made me view it with some disdain later on, as I think the philosophy itself would be improved by decoupling it from Christian symbolism.

Lesser magic === applied psychology.

If you want to learn a thing or two about manipulative women… read THE SATANIC WITCH.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Anonymous wrote:

Agreed. My rule of thumb is usually Carlin style-
“Keep thy religion to thyself”.

I don’t see where the “NEED” is to bring any form of religion to a MGTOW forum. The topics discussed here don’t need ANY form of religious slant. If you’re interested in discussing religious topics, the internet is full of varying options. Why try to shoe horn it in here, where it’s not needed, and ignored by many ?

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[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

Awakened wrote:

Joe Bauers wrote:

Agreed. My rule of thumb is usually Carlin style-
“Keep thy religion to thyself”.

I don’t see where the “NEED” is to bring any form of religion to a MGTOW forum. The topics discussed here don’t need ANY form of religious slant. If you’re interested in discussing religious topics, the internet is full of varying options. Why try to shoe horn it in here, where it’s not needed, and ignored by many ?

I agree, tons of other things we can converse on.

While I would say there is more of a need for philosophy than their is a religion. These topics can become volatile quick and start to separate people and drive unnecessary wedges.

Plus, LHP Networking sites like The Lucifeiran Research Society many be an interesting spot to do some consciousness raising on what real MGTOW is.

MGtOW_Medic - EMT - P, Firefighter Lvl 2, Hazmat Ops

[Anonymous 24]

Hey Medic, thanks for the info. I am guessing you saw a topic here a little while back about the Satanist school in Oregon that was thoroughly bashed and felt the need to give your angle? If so, it was well needed in my opinion as too many judge with little to no knowledge far to often. I actually knew a little of what you described here, thanks for giving me the rest of what it is for you. As an Atheist it does seem much more logical to me than most belief systems.

[Anonymous 3]

With personal experience with the occult, my advise is to leave it alone.
If we are lucky we get to believe in a bunch of nonsense and waste time and money. If we are unlucky we end up with real stuff that can truly wreck our lives.

The trouble is that we know nothing about these things. Taking books as the reality of this is a mistake. People just like us wrote those books. Some might know some things, others might not. Some might have good intentions, others might not.

Its like messing with the Italian mafia after reading some books and expecting to know how it works…

In fact I have found that we progress more spiritually by unknowing stuff.
“It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble. It’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so. Mark Twain”

[HitmanParticipant]

Thanks for the excellent reply.
I appreciate the time and effort you took to explain that!

[Sky-OParticipant 18936]

I’m not going to be able to join the group.

But I’m listening to Mercyful Fate right now as a sign of MGTOW solidarity.

[raindogParticipant 313]

Anonymous wrote:

Nerevar wrote:

Well, if people here can talk about god as their lord and saviour, then you can talk about satan. Simple as that.

Agreed. My rule of thumb is usually Carlin style-

“Keep thy religion to thyself”.

If that is not done, then it is free game, and as an Atheist, I view it all as equal amounts of nonsense that has not done much good for the world when shared collectively, as for individuals, I have no doubt it can be a good thing for many. I see far too many Christians here remain silent while Muslim nations are destroyed for dubious reasons at best. “Thou shall not kill” Should be changed to “Thou shall not kill those of the same religion” if we were to be honest about it.

The Christian thing to do is to annihilate anybody who isn’t a Christian. S~~~, haven’t you read the good book?

"Free your mind and your ass will follow. The kingdom of heaven is within." -Funkadelic

[Anonymous 3]

raindog wrote:

The Christian thing to do is to annihilate anybody who isn’t a Christian. S~~~, haven’t you read the good book?

I would not say its a Christian thing. I would say its a human thing.

It is very easy to be so convinced of a concept that we cannot cope with anyone challenging it. Concepts and ideas create our very own matrix, a simulation of reality superimposed over reality. It is not easy to extract someone from the matrix.

I was once involved with an occult school. I had a friend that I used to speak about these subjects, and he actually introduced me to this school. Then one day he complained that I had become to rigidly bond to this school teachings. He said to me: “we used to be able to speak about everything, now you can only see this one way and reject anything different“. I obviously rejected his twisted vision of me.

I was able to truly appreciate the truthfulness of my friend’s words only when I found out that this school was not what it pretended to be. They used to warn against wolves wearing sheep’s clothing…

I learned my lesson. We are like fly-paper, ready to catch ideologies and stick with them very hard. Anyone messing with our fly-paper either will get stick on it or get away without a portion of skin.

[MGTOW_MedicParticipant 184]

Anonymous wrote:

With personal experience with the occult, my advise is to leave it alone.
If we are lucky we get to believe in a bunch of nonsense and waste time and money. If we are unlucky we end up with real stuff that can truly wreck our lives.

The trouble is that we know nothing about these things. Taking books as the reality of this is a mistake. People just like us wrote those books. Some might know some things, others might not. Some might have good intentions, others might not.

Its like messing with the Italian mafia after reading some books and expecting to know how it works…

This is actually a good reply, as a Satanist I always welcome dissent. However, the major pioneers of Satanism, the Church of Satan, would essentially poo-poo the idea of their philosophy being funneled into an umbrella term such as “Occultism” actually we have our own term for it: Occultnik.

I don’t consider what I do New Age nor does it fall along the lines of Wiccans or Witches that tend to whitewash their Craft so that they don’t look bad in-front of Christians. Wicca also seems to be a huge bastion for Feminists and Men Haters, look up Dianic Wicca and you shall see such self-righteous light.

In regards to Satanic Magic “messing up your life” the only way this would happen is if you caused it to. Magic is a tool used either to harm or help. Like a gun it only murders someone if someone else picks it up and pulls the trigger. I would kinda chuckle at the idea of someone trying a ritual from the Satanic Bible and then living their lives being saddled with bad luck. Sounds like a concept that Wiccans and Christians made up to keep people from actually reading the book and making their own assessment of the material.

With that in mind Satanists are atheists merely to the perspective that belief in an external deity seems silly. However, supernormal (beyond normal perception) events can occur. This can include what is done within an Intellectual Decompression Chamber can have more than just freeing psychological effects. I often reference a book called Supernormal by Dr. Dean Radin when it comes to magic. However, like many things in peoples’ lives there are somethings that have subjective and personal meaning. Magic is a personal thing.

Satanism is more of a disposition, Individualistic, Anti-Egalitarian (Turd Flinging Monkey actually has a great video on this), Meritocratic, Atheistic, Rationally Self-Interested, based on hard ground knowledge of self and the world around us. It praises Carnal Knowledge as opposed to Spiritual Pipe Dreams.

Satanist don’t minster to others, we don’t encourage people to be Saved by Satan……lol. If you are intrigued by Satanism then you probably born with some personality trait that caused you to see some of the positivity in what many many others consider Scary and Evil.

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