chances mgtow blows into something huge?

[LucidLeoParticipant 65]

I want MGTOW to go mainstream but that would result in the end of civilization as we know it. I think the biggest challenge is for young movements is to keep from infighting, a weakness many young movements get into, keeping them from getting very far

[RevMattParticipant 28]

The percentage of American men who never marry is going to rise. But most of these men are not going to be part of a movement or self-identified MGTOW.

From my perspective, MGTOW’s weakness is that the majority of the participants appear to be men who are divorced and already fathered children. (I count myself as one of these.)  When thirty-something men who have never married form the majority of bloggers, commentators and writers it will become more of a cultural force.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

LucidLeo wrote:

I want MGTOW to go mainstream but that would result in the end of civilization as we know it.

And your point is?

If society crashes and burns it’s society’s problem.  It’s not our responsibility to fix or prevent.

Don’t get me wrong though, WHEN society crashes and burns, MGTOW will be there.  With marshmallows.

[Sam RavenParticipant 181]

You can’t fix stupid. Majority of people are stupid, which is why manginas and white knights are the many, we are the few.

The revelation that Myers-Briggs Personality INTJ types are a small percentage but make up the majority of MGTOW members here further shows that Red Pillers are of a certain caliber of thought that is a rarity in the human population.

And that is no accident as its apparent throughout history the smart ones did a cost benefit analysis and didn’t waste time on having families (Isaac Newton considered women a hindrance to what he wanted to do with his life), so if there was a genetic origin to improved intelligence, that got faded away as a matter of course.

It is why the seeds of destruction of the Alternative Truth movement were sown once it became ‘popular’. Unless the majority of the rest of the population raise themselves in consciousness and bother to read a good book and always ask questions, this movement would serve itself better if it didn’t focus on numbers.

MGTOW’s name recognizes the fact that a solution does not exist with the problem that is a largely programmable species that has been socially engineered to the mess that it is today. Solutions by their nature require rational logic and plan of action, and is unable to face up to a society based in emotional mind control and irrationality.

Therefore the only rational solution left is to turn one’s back and walk away, and let the idiots drown in their own p~~~ or self-immolate.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

From your most recent post(s), Sidecar and SoFDMC I can see that at least all three of us are literally on the same page here (hence +s to both of you).

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[AttonParticipant]

Badge wearing MGTOW are uncommon but the men who practice MGTOW are common.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[ironheartParticipant 942]

You can’t fix stupid. Majority of people are stupid, which is why manginas and white knights are the many, we are the few. The revelation that Myers-Briggs Personality INTJ types are a small percentage but make up the majority of MGTOW members here further shows that Red Pillers are of a certain caliber of thought that is a rarity in the human population.

I have noticed this INTJ pattern as well amongst friends of mine who think and practice the same as I do. My woman is also an INTJ, which is one of the reason’s she is tolerable as a partner. The only other woman I regret walking out on and saying sayonara, was also an INTJ.

I am sensing a pattern.

MGTOW’s name recognizes the fact that a solu tion does not exist with the problem that is a largely programmable species that has been socially engineered to the mess that it is today. Solutions by their nature require rational logic and plan of action, and is unable to face up to a society based in emotional mind control and irrationality. Therefore the only rational solution left is to turn one’s back and walk away, and let the idiots drown in their own p~~~ or self-immolate.

That is why the movement will not appeal to the larger male population. If MGTOW ignores the painful reality, and does not put forward efforts or ideas to fix it, then it is a failed movement in the eyes of people who focus on solutions (which is primarily the nature of men).

Badge wearing MGTOW are uncommon but the men who practice MGTOW are common.

Maybe the time for t-shirts (badges) is here.

"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Atton wrote:

Badge wearing MGTOW are uncommon but the men who practice MGTOW are common.

Currently I actually do both of that, not very aggressively mind, but quite persistently. And yes, I guess we should all try our best to keep this going for as long as we can and hoping that the near future is not gonna end up something like in this excellent short film (which by the way we should support at least in the way as to put it into our video archives as a somewhat comic & scary warning):

 

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

singledad984 wrote:

Do u think mgtow will ever blow up into something that the majority of men claim to be? Seems like everyday more and more men are tired of females s~~~! And if it does go mainstream how long do u think it will take?

I don’t think most men can handle going MGTOW at all, for a number of reasons. It can be they too much are married to tradition, and need to have that, so they get married. They feel they MUST have the wife and kids. They just can’t handle times being alone. They have too much social pressure that their identity depends upon.

If it goes mainstream, and gets accepted, it will become a demographic group that is tolerated, and eventually left alone. The trends are such that this is getting to be increasingly larger, as seen with the Japanese Herbivores. Society is having to deal with it. It can no longer write checks that presume that people will marry and be able to have it to work, and raise kids, etc….

So, based on this, that is a reason why I say you do MGTOW for your own reasons, not presuming it will grow into something massive, and you feel you were part of something larger.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 29]

sidecar wrote:

we are already seeing the effects in marketing and panicked legislation.

Sidecar, have you any good links on that material so we can read/watch ?

[bachelor4goodParticipant 170]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

So, based on this, that is a reason why I say you do MGTOW for your own reasons, not presuming it will grow into something massive, and you feel you were part of something larger.

That´s exactly the point.To mention MGTOW as movement is a contradiction in itself. As long as you don´t get that, you´re not going your own way. MGTOW is an idea, a concept that helps you getting around in an environment that could´t care less about you, because you´re a male. It´s not a movement.

IDGAF

[Anonymous 11]

The future course of action in a system is usually determined at the margins. This is where MGTOW will be highly effective. This is why we are attacked relentlessly.

[Anonymous 42]

How high’s the water C-Pig? 3 feet high and rising…
Hey C-Pig, You may want to take down one of your sea kayaks and set it up in your living room, and another on the roof just in case! Keep us posted, it’s a great time for looting when you’re the only one still floating! just kidding!
Hey, a kayak can fit through bank doors, where other boats will fail! Good luck C-Pig!

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

RevMatt wrote:

The percentage of American men who never marry is going to rise. But most of these men are not going to be part of a movement or self-identified MGTOW.
From my perspective, MGTOW’s weakness is that the majority of the participants appear to be men who are divorced and already fathered children. (I count myself as one of these.) When thirty-something men who have never married form the majority of bloggers, commentators and writers it will become more of a cultural force.

With TFL being out of focus, there really isn’t much other place for the Millennial men who aren’t marrying to go or identify with. Is there some other sort of label (Herbivores?) for them to connect with? MGTOW is the top label now. This may change in the future, but it fits now. Of course, what may stop men from identifying with the MGTOW label would be the excesses floating around MGTOW. There would also have to be wisdom on living MGTOW for these men to find, so they can live better. Content like Aaron Clarey saying that men MUST go through some abusive relationships before deciding to be MGTOW, isn’t what is needed:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/m-g-t-o-w/abusing-mgtow/

But each man must decide for himself what he will do.

My take on mainstreaming, or finding a niche in society to be left alone, is when MGTOW is recognized as a valid demographic group, and generates billions of dollars in commerce around it. Yes, MGTOW generating commerce will make a difference. At that point, you see advertising specifically targeting MGTOW, and MGTOW characters, and Hollywood producing content to get the coin of MGTOWs (MGHOWs, if you prefer).

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

The future course of action in a system is usually determined at the margins. This is where MGTOW will be highly effective. This is why we are attacked relentlessly.

I think another reason is you have MGTOW content producers on YouTube, and even doing posts in forums like this, ending trying to attack gynocentrism and others out there, and that stirs up the hornet nest. Going what is seen as fully stupid will put you on the radar of channels like Sargon and TL’DR, because people find the excesses REALLY stupid. Attacks against MGTOW you see, is individuals who look at forums like this, and see what they see as whining against women as signs of attack also, and MGTOW posting like that seen as neckbeards in their parent’s basements, who have no lives are are such losers they can’t get a woman. A core part of the confusion by those who do this is they see that MGTOW says it is Men Going Their Own Way and avoiding women to some degree, but what is seen as repeatedly talking about women on forums. Why, if you are going your own way, are you fixated on the topic you aren’t looking to be involved with? And all the reasoning comes out, and the slurs, as a result.

There are other areas also, but I see these as major ones.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[NioZenParticipant 856]

I’m INTP, not surprised by the personality profile for MGTOW at all.

My hope for MGTOW is that it is merely a stepping stone on a path to greater individualism, intellectualism and responsibility – I see no other way for our species to survive otherwise.

I’m not so invested in that view that I’m going to cry male tears if it doesn’t pan out that way though. I know it’s pretty unlikely. It changes nothing about the way in which I will continue to pursue my own sovereignty, and quite frankly, it’s their f~~~ing problem, not mine.

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

My opinion on this matter: and it’s going to be great.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Robert HallamParticipant 696]

IN MY OPINION

I suggest a quasi legal advice component to MGTOW would swell the membership significantly.
How many guys would love some starter advice on issues such as
Pending Divorce
Abandonment
Separation
Cohabitation Agreements
Prenuptial Agreements
Ownership of assets
Reproductive rights
Men’s rights
Paternity Fraud
DNA testing
Alimony / Palimony / Child Support
Sexual Harassment
False Rape Charges

These are just some of the subjects which I find guys really need some help. Even if it is to just point them in the right direction. I also find that some of the advice given to some of these threads (posts) is completely off base or down right wrong, and could lead to further troubles for the guy.
It would be far better than just echoing a poor bastards rants, although support is another function that MGTOW is valued for.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Who resurrected this old thread?

Anonymous wrote:

Sidecar, have you any good links on that material so we can read/watch ?

The archives here have quite a few. For an example of political panic, just look at the “Handsome Man Tax” that keeps getting proposed in Japan.

For a marketing example, well who am I to pass up yet another opportunity to post this awesome commercial?

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Why is this always a topic of consideration?

OP, this isnt directed at you.

MGTOW.COM followers= 10,000

Justgirlythings followers= ~300,000

https://instagram.com/justgirlythings/?hl=en

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Desiring to see a change as the result of ones view: I get it.

But some dudes on here talk and PREACH TO OTHERS that “Ive gone my own way and you need too as well..get over your red pill rage…zen stealthy MGTOW BRAH”; yet some of those same people speak in a manner of revenge as though theres a battle to win.

I get it. But you cant have it both ways; and dont “preach” to others when you clearly still harbor these views.

And FWIW- No, MGTOW isnt “winning”. When a site as dumpy as girly things has THAT many followers, its obvious.

And there will ALWAYS be some douche bag desparate for pussy to take over any mans place who checks out.

Coming to the realization that modern women are: self absorbed, slutty, disrespectful, and have leveraged themselves against men is fundamentally different than believing that there is a “war” thats being waged, let alone one that can be won.

If you realized the fundamental nature of women, and how the deck is stacked against you; then hats off. If you thought a gender chess match was being waged in which if you enlisted the ends would be changed, then I think you lost sense.

For every man who takes the most EXTREME role of signing women off, there will be 100 to take his place. I really dont understand why this is so confusing.

Im not here to make women suffer, or defeat them. Im here to identify with other men who have realized the transformative era we have had to live through. Learn from one another. Take what we want, and avoid unwanted consequences.

Resident cynic.

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