Captain America: Civil War

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

Well, as something of a Captain America mark I thought I’d make this thread to discuss some important man s~~~; Captain America: Civil War. I remember reading the comic series and understood it only in a small way…. I was young and naive. I thought cap was making a mistake. Now that I am older, I understand that Cap was doing the right thing. My only real question is will the movie do the comic justice. I believe to be a real success you have to be able to sympathize with both sides, and the comic did that well. As someone with zero trust of any government I’m wondering how I could be swayed to be sympathetic to the other side. Appeals to emotion and fear don’t move me in the slightest. I really liked Cap II: Winter Soldier, it was well written and directed into a truly good story. It is rare that a story in written form is exceeded by the movie form. The only exception I can think of thus far in the Marvel universe would be X-Men : Days of Future Past. The comic version was well done but in the end they only made things worse trying to “fix” them.

For all you DC fanboys I am also waiting with baited breath for Batman vs. Superman: the Dawn of Justice.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22561]

Marvel’s Civil War was an example of how the wrong side won, and what happens when the writers and executives clash. The executives wanted to pitch that a statist tyranny should be promoted. While the writers realized how much this will p~~~ the readers.

Now, while the writers had to make it so Shield won, the writers wrote the story in a way that sympathized with the rebels, and vilified shield, by pointing out that was not a registration act, it was a military draft, where those with superpowers that did not sign up were put in a concentration camp without trial for simply existing, and those that signed the contract were made slaves to Shield.

Shield turned children into soldiers and cold blooded killers.

And this was all done on Tony Stark’s watch. And this is only the tip of the iceberg. Tony showed how evil he was. His second in command Maria Hill was brown noser put in in her rank because she was a yes-woman. She embodied the term, ‘just following orders.’

And Captain American showed how weak he was in strength of will. It is easy to fight those you don’t know. But, it is hard to fight you friends, when you know you are right. And Cap just lost his nerve and surrendered.

The only what this story line was salvaged was when Norman Osborn (Green Goblin, thought he was sane at the time) took charge, and actually did a better job than Tony.

Of course, all the heroes hated Norman, and the pro-registration side, including Tony and Maria, when AWOL, when someone they didn’t like was put in charge, showing how hypocritical these so called heroes were.

By the time the whole registry storyline was end, those still reading were just happy that story arc was over.

I hope those making this remake of Marvel’s Civil War has learned from this mistakes. If Captain American II film is any indication, showing how dangerous a secret agency without restraint is, then I believe they have learned from their mistakes.

Concerning Tony, there is one difference this time. From the Iron Man 3 film, Pepper was injected with the extremis nanities, and she has superpowers. That would put Pepper in the sights of any such registration attempts, which means this time, someone Tony loves is in the line of fire.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

Smitty the Great One wrote:

Well, as something of a Captain America mark I thought I’d make this thread to discuss some important man s~~~; Captain America: Civil War. I remember reading the comic series and understood it only in a small way…. I was young and naive. I thought cap was making a mistake. Now that I am older, I understand that Cap was doing the right thing. My only real question is will the movie do the comic justice. I believe to be a real success you have to be able to sympathize with both sides, and the comic did that well. As someone with zero trust of any government I’m wondering how I could be swayed to be sympathetic to the other side. Appeals to emotion and fear don’t move me in the slightest. I really liked Cap II: Winter Soldier, it was well written and directed into a truly good story. It is rare that a story in written form is exceeded by the movie form. The only exception I can think of thus far in the Marvel universe would be X-Men : Days of Future Past. The comic version was well done but in the end they only made things worse trying to “fix” them.

For all you DC fanboys I am also waiting with baited breath for Batman vs. Superman: the Dawn of Justice.

Batman vs superman. That’s a Femto second movie. Superman hits batman in the head at 99.9999 % of the speed of light. The ensuing shock wave wipe’s out North America and batman’s head is turned into a micro black hole… Roll credits. You wouldn’t see the actual movie because It happened too fast.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

qeeqo wrote:

Batman vs superman. That’s a Femto second movie. Superman hits batman in the head at 99.9999 % of the speed of light. The ensuing shock wave wipe’s out North America and batman’s head is turned into a micro black hole… Roll credits. You wouldn’t see the actual movie because It happened too fast.

This is exactly why I don’t like Superman….. what’s the f~~~ing point of having a hero if he is invulnerable. If he risked nothing he accomplished nothing…. and THAT is why Superman is lame.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[TheBardParticipant 974]

As much as I wanted Cap’s side to win in the comics I could take Iron Man winning because it did make for some interesting stories with the 2 different types of heroes: registered and not registered. After Civil War I was really looking forward to seeing how Spider-Man would be with him outing himself on live TV and then Aunt May being shot and on the verge of death. When the poster for the brand new day arc came out and the story going in the direction of May dying I really thought Aunt May was going to die and Peter was not only going to have to deal with that but also being an unregistered hero who is a science teacher. Then however One More Day which felt like such a cheap cop out for not only what happened the Spider-Man in Civil War, but everything JMS wrote in the past 6 years.

As for the movie it looks good, but I do feel it was rushed. You can argue that Batman v Superman was made with Wonder Woman to catch up to Marvel, but Civil War feels like an Avengers movie instead of a Captain America movie to compete. I am all for team up movies over solo movies. I prefer movies like Winter Solider or season 2+ of Arrow where multiple heroes are together instead of just the one, but Civil War has basically every Avenger in it minus the Hulk and Thor. Another thing is that Spider-Man’s role is going to way way different and his role in the comic was a major part. Also without the rights to Fantastic Four and X-Men a lot is going to have to be changed. I feel like what Marvel should have done was wait until after the Defenders series on Netflix. The heroes in the movies basically all work for SHIELD and do the high end stuff while the heroes on the Netflix shows do street level stuff. I think it would have worked better if the SHIELD heroes wanted to keep tabs on the street heroes and then the Civil War stated because of that.

Either way though Both Civil War and Batman v Superman look great.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

CAPTAIN AMERICA!

Whoever read the Civil War comic knows Stark wouldn’t have gave a s~~~ if that chick wasn’t a MILF.

Nor would the Punisher strike Cap out of respect.

He gets Spider-Man to reveal his secret identity and we know how that ended.

F~~~ that alcoholic douchebag.

Fuck this planet.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22561]

I just saw the preview for the new Captain American Movie. Loved it. Clearly they have learned from their mistakes.

That beat down in the final scene of the preview was what I always wished to see in the Marvel Comics Civil War storyline, but the production staff wimped out on doing it.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

I really enjoyed the trailer and the glimpse of Tchalla(Black Panther).

Hope the film kicks as much ass as the sequel.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

My understanding of the movie is that it will focus not on superheroes identities being revealed (pretty pointless), but on government oversight of the Avengers (possibly others also), after another incident happens. Stark goes along with it, and Captain America says no (I believe it has to do with them wanting to kill Bucky Barnes, aka Winter Soldier). The focus will be different. Anyhow, this is based on what I read, and also the trailer I saw.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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