Ok, I shall play devil’s advocate once more, cause reasons. đ
I agree with this guys analizis when he says this:
The idea of reducing women to poverty is so silly and counterproductive itâs hard to imagine this Sandman dude even mastered the concept of self awareness. Why do I say that? Because if this cartoonish plot was even possible, it would mean women coming back to us for their survival. That means FULL. THROATED. HYPERGAMY. By sheer necessity. Thus completely erasing any other benefits he could imagine coming from such an event.
For me, this is, indeed, what drives me away from women. The fact that the reason they assossiate with men is for resources/utility and nothing more. ENFORCING poverty on women would be severely counter productive.
HOWEVER, that is the only thing I agree with him.
Enforcing RESOURCES TRANSFER through the goverment, like the feminits are pushing, or through MARRIAGE like the TradCons wants, is equally detrimental. That is why I don’t trust MRA’s, in the end, their objective is closer to what Sandman described, in keeping women “dependent” to men financially so men work “harder” and women “don’t cheat”.
As Chagdud Tulku Rinpoche said:
“If someone needs religion in order to be good, (s)he is not a good person, (s)he is a trained dog”
That applies to behaviors ENFORCED by law, or necessity. If women needs LAW not to commit DESPICABLE ACTS against men, than they really are lesser than men.
Give them equal OPPORTUNITY, and let them EARN their money/resources/whatever. They are free to decide their destiny, and we should be free to decide OURS.
MGTOW needs to focus on freeing men from gender roles imposed upon us by nature and by the men and women around us who are hopelessly indoctrinated by and enslaved to biologically-influenced social conditioning. First and foremost driving this means eliminating the entire concept of defining manhood by arbitrary standards.
Mgtow doesn’t have to do s~~~! Mgtows need to watch their own backs, and that’s it. Everything else that a man decides to do for his brothers is profit and comendable, but shouldn’t be MANDATORY. Once again, the quote I mentioned previously can also be applied to MEN. You do what is right because you WANT to, not because you are FORCED to. That is how civilization came to fruition, and that’s is why it will fall.
Instead of defining MGTOW as âavoid all womenâ we need a reform movement that says âavoid toxic women.â
Here we have the same NAWALT bulls~~~. Even though I don’t hold high excpectation to women anymore, when I intereact with them I always give them the opportunity to show me if they are, indeed, different. And I always get disapointed. So until I find ONE woman with the MINIMAL standard of decency regarding BOTH sexes, and not just HERS, I will avoid any contact with ALL women beyond the bare minimum.
Again, Mgtow is not a movement, is more of a phenomena, a philosophy and it doesn’t have to do S~~~ to anyone. You follow if you want to, and if you don’t agree you can go away.
As an African American man my people suffered this much repression and worse, and we didnât say âstay away from white people.â
This is the hive mentality that governs feminism. Since this dude is arguably not a racist, and black, that means that ALL BLACK men are not racist, which is bulls~~~. There are a LOT of black men that are racist. Should I demand from this guy action because of all the black people that are racist? No. Then why should some individuals from Mgtow enforce upon other individuals an acceptance of “all women”. Not your wallet, protector and sperm bank. How each one of us go about this is our own business. If some mgtow, or all mgtow, decides that NO WOMEN are worth that time, it is not anybody else’s job to try to convince them otherwise, except, maybe, the WOMEN THEMSELVES if they wish to assossiate with us. Of course, you take away the pussy power, and not much is left for men that is worth the risk to assossiate with their gender. We are not advocating violence against them, we just are not CARRYING THEM anymore.
MGTOW could learn from that, rather than continuing along the path of a male separatist group which by the very nature of separatism engenders extremism and hatemongering.
Here we have a variation of the “man up” argument. We should give women a chance because… reasons. F~~~ off. If assossiating with them gives no benefits and only offers risks, than I will stay the hell away. I don’t have to, neither I want to, become the “sacrificial lamb” for the “greater good”. Being a WHITE KNIGHT is detrimental to men, women and the community. Either women start to learn how to pull their own weights, or they can keep f~~~ing the Gangsters and f~~~ing players. Just don’t expect us to be responsible for THEIR ACTIONS. This is not extremism, this COMMON SENSE and SURVIVAL. He is welcome to carry one of many single mothers and her offsprings, while she bangs the neighbour while he is working his ass off. I am not going to do that.
Which is to say, MGTOW needs to abandon separatist thinking. We do not need to become like radical feminists.
We are not. We are not a movement, for starters.
Feminism wants female “ascention” on the cost of MALE’s labor and lives.
MGTOW wants Men’s liberation, and ability to keep what we EARNED through OUR OWN WORK. We want to live our lives for ourselves, not sacrificing our lives for women.
This guy is more than welcome to “do the right thing”, I… will go my own way.
Cheers.
Skeptisk 4 years, 3 months ago.
