Brotherly Love – Something We've Lost in the West

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

The idea that we should “be a man” and “be manly” is taken way too far in western culture. What I’ve realized over the years is that men are capable of TRUE compassion, love, sacrifice, & being there for their fellow humans far more than women are. Concepts such as duty, honor, doing the right thing, morality…..these are basic concepts that are fundamental to any true man’s being. And these are foreign concepts to women. They can ACT like they care, but deep down they’re shallow selfish c~~~s that will do whatever it takes to get what they want.

Unfortunately this western culture of ours has divided us men to the point where we can’t rely on each other anymore. “Stand on your own two feet” doesn’t mean that you can’t rely on someone else. You should TRY your best, and NOT be a leech on society, but you’re not perfect. Nobody is.

I’ve studied other cultures, particularly eastern cultures and men treat other men very differently. Showing any sort of affection for another man or any sort of sympathy makes people think you’re gay here in the west. And you hesitate to give your common man the support he so desperately needs because you don’t want it to be taken the wrong way. You think to yourself “he should be able to take care of himself.” You worry that he might even be offended by your offer of kindness and affection. It is seen as a “bad” thing here in the west.

But what you fail to realize is that kindness, compassion, affection, sympathy…..these were founded by MEN. Just because you cry doesn’t mean you’re not a man. And just because you want to offer emotional support doesn’t mean you’re gay or weak, or that you think the other guy is weak. I understand that this has been beaten out of most of us here in the west, but a lot of it has to do with social conditioning. Give a handshake instead of a hug. Tell a guy to “get over it” or “suck it up” or “be a man” rather than show sympathy for his plight. Have a beer with him rather than share a meal with him at a nice restaurant. Watch sports together rather than talk about the stuff going on in each other’s lives.

I’m not advocating that we make men soft, but that we change the way we look at each other. Bottling everything up inside makes us miserable, and having no one to talk to or rely on makes us weak and feel helpless. It wasn’t like this a few hundred years ago, even in the west. We had “men only” places where we could go and get support from our fellow man. Now c~~~s demand entry and spoil everything.

Denying your true nature, and keeping everything inside is damaging. You’ll break inside. Men are able to do this better than women, but that doesn’t mean that they should. Men need to network more. Men will never be as talkative as women, but that’s because they don’t talk for no f~~~ing reason, or talk about bulls~~~. And they’re better able to articulate and don’t need to use so many words. Or say the same damned thing 3 different ways in a row.

What I’m saying is, western culture is damaging men and making us weak. It’s hard, but we need to fight the social conditioning we’ve been exposed to all our lives. And make sure our children are taught how to express themselves properly to other men. This is already underway thanks to the internet. Most millennial men aren’t very “manly” by the accepted standards of today. They talk more, and are more open about themselves. But we’ve still got a long way to go.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

I think there’s a lot of sense in this. Men were always meant to just suck it up and not complain because they had jobs to do – drive the economy with their sweat and blood – and if in the end they were crushed, killed themselves or ran amok, they were expendable and more were ready to take their place.

We go our own way, but we are better for coming here and sharing about it!

[Anonymous 7]

The way of the tribe is the way of the man. Having each others back and committing to honor, mastery, strength, and courage.

I feel relatively fine doing it all alone but I guarantee you it would be more enjoyable with a group of friends like a marine squad.

DarkRyu wrote:

But what you fail to realize is that kindness, compassion, affection, sympathy…..these were founded by MEN. Just because you cry doesn’t mean you’re not a man. And just because you want to offer emotional support doesn’t mean you’re gay or weak, or that you think the other guy is weak. I understand that this has been beaten out of most of us here in the west, but a lot of it has to do with social conditioning. Give a handshake instead of a hug. Tell a guy to “get over it” or “suck it up” or “be a man” rather than show sympathy for his plight. Have a beer with him rather than share a meal with him at a nice restaurant. Watch sports together rather than talk about the stuff going on in each other’s lives.

I see where your coming from. It is natural to cry. I have never had emotional support from anyone other than my one friend that I sometimes rant to and on here.

Someone telling you to “suck it up” unless it is actually trivial can go f~~~ themselves. But past the rant phase you have to change whats in your life or you have suck it the f~~~ up.

I often walk with one of my friends along this street and we just talk about what we’ve been doing.

[RoyDalParticipant]

DarkRyu wrote:

The idea that we should “be a man” and “be manly” is taken way too far in western culture.

It has not escaped me that the elements of manhood are the first things the feminists stamped out.

Nowadays, anyone who acts like a man is castrated by the feminazis faster than a blink of the eye.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[HitmanParticipant]

i have two friends since we were 10 years old.
one lives on the west coast ..u.s.
the other about 20 min. drive from me.
once a week we meet and grab a bite of dinner and talk.
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like two mountain climbers,
one always throws the rope to the other and pulls him up.
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here in this place we have to talk..
we have thousands of men to talk to.
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thanks to a man called the KeyMaster…

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Guys Night Out events were always special to me. Sometimes we’d go see a movie, look at some girlie magazines in an adult book store, or just hang out at the park. We’d talk about our problems, our goals for the future, and the cars we want to drive.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Anonymous 42]

I always had kick-ass FUN with men!

When I sort through my memories men rule, women drool.

It’s as simple as positive and negative!

Women hold all the memories of short circuits that fried my mind.

Men have inspired me to live, be alive, and climb climb climb. literately struggling through waste deep snow to get to and untouched peak!

Women give me the looming feeling of suspended fines and imprisonment, rules and regulations, like a beast of burden being yoked and corralled into a life of menial service, a slave living under the threat of imprisonment while already being imprisoned, kinda like always living under the threat of being locked in the dungeon.

I don’t know about you guys, but I like the memories of the Wasatch and it’s greatest snow on earth! F~~~ THE DUNGEON!

[TuneoutParticipant]

I think it’s a breakdown of family values as well thanks to feminism.

Here in Canada most of the homeless you see are either White or Native men.

Other cultures have been brought up to take care of their own while we in the West have this swim or sink mentality when it comes to males.

The way we treat our elderly by just putting them in some home and forgetting about them is equally disturbing.

It seems most of the services and social safety nets revolve around women & children but if you’re male and or elderly ,you’re on your own.

Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!

[Anonymous 11]

I agree with the OP’s premise. I’ve always had a strong stoic side to me even as a blue piller. People think I’m cold until they get to know me. I will go very far to help a worthy man through anything. I’m simply not the crying type due to my natural stoicism, and people try to shame me for it. I will not mock a man who cries for the right reasons.

I see Western men as a whole as a bunch of pussy beggars who undermine each other usually over women. The women encourage and enjoy this behavior.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Reading this I keep thinking of the phrase “Divide and conquer.” Feminism divided us so they could conquer us. 40 years ago there were men’s groups where guys would go hang out. Anyone heard of the Elk’s Lodge? It was a men’s group. Like the Shriners if you’ve even heard of them either.

They were (are?) charitable organizations. They would do good in the community. But it also gave guys a place to hang out together. But they were discriminatory because they were men only. Funny, you can have a women’s group, a gay group, name your nationality group, but not a men’s group. THAT is discrimination. A group of men out collecting money for the local children’s hospital.

Today’s men. Divided? Yup. Conquered? ……….

Order the good wine

[Anonymous 0]

TaxGuy wrote:

Reading this I keep thinking of the phrase “Divide and conquer.” Feminism divided us so they could conquer us. 40 years ago there were men’s groups where guys would go hang out. Anyone heard of the Elk’s Lodge? It was a men’s group. Like the Shriners if you’ve even heard of them either.

They were (are?) charitable organizations. They would do good in the community. But it also gave guys a place to hang out together. But they were discriminatory because they were men only. Funny, you can have a women’s group, a gay group, name your nationality group, but not a men’s group. THAT is discrimination. A group of men out collecting money for the local children’s hospital.

Today’s men. Divided? Yup. Conquered? ……….

Good post. More on the same topic, below. (I was just typing up something similar when you posted your message.)

Historically, men had excellent support networks. The “old boy network,” and all that. Fifty years ago, when society was more segregated by sex, men had lots of male-only organizations and social groups: Lodges, golf clubs, fraternities, rod and gun clubs, sporting clubs and events, etc. When I joined the military in the 70s, the Marines were still all-male; women had their own military forces (WACs, WAFs, WAVEs and WMs). And in fact we men were pretty good at relating to each other’s crises. We sat around the barracks and compared stories about how we dealt with women, or consoled someone going through a hard break-up, etc. Sometimes it was like a knitting circle. We would sit around, polish boots, clean our guns, and just BS into the late hours.

Of course, a lot of that old-time male support network is gone. Nowadays, fraternities are looked at as rape factories. Male sports teams are derided as gangs of closeted gays. Male-only clubs and lodges have basically been made illegal. And the few remaining corners of male shared interest (rod and gun clubs, poker games, etc.) are seen as disreputable expressions of maleness: Knuckle-dragging neanderthals, etc. MGTOW and MRA websites are derided as toxic and misogynistic.

Of course, a lot of this problem is due to feminism. Some of those traditional male support networks were specifically targeted for lawsuits and other disruption by early feminists under the principle that the exclusion of females amounted to discrimination against females. The “old boy network” was seen as hostile to feminism.

To some extent, the changes were inevitable. Things had to change over time. Once upon a time, men had the extensive social networks and women were relatively isolated in the home. To bring women into the workforce and the power structures, it was necessary to break up the male hegemony somewhat.

But now the pendulum has swung so far that male social groups are seen as shady and disreputable, and we talk as though men are somehow incapable of relating to each other or their own emotions. The pendulum has swung so far that nowadays it’s seen as “empowering” when women get together to socialize with each other, but it’s disreputable for men to socialize in large groups. I recently checked Meetup.com in a local city; there were at least half a dozen different groups offering various social events specifically for women (“Girls’ night out” groups), but none specifically for men. Men were in charge of narrowly-focused activity groups, like kayaking groups or gaming groups; but there weren’t any Meetup groups specifically for men or for general socializing for men.

I think in this day and age, a men’s group for general socializing is seen as creepy or un-PC, like it’s going to turn into a PUA venue or a militia group or something.

[narwhalParticipant]

I think I’ve given up on brotherly love as much if not as more then I’ve given up on a loving faithful woman. I have had good friends in the past, but they ultimately end for various reasons.

I remember a time where I opened up with a friend in college. He said nothing…and then suggested we see if there was a game on. A good friend will quickly disappear the second a woman shows interest him and start demanding his attention. I’ve had plenty of friends betray trust, even when I was going through divorce and needed it the most.

For the most part, family has not been any different. I don’t remember times where my brother or sister were there when I needed them.

To be fair, I’m not sure I’d even make a good friend now, as the idea of making a sacrifice for someone else is not something I want to do. Too much risk. Maybe I’m too selfish or been burned too many times. I don’t know.

At times, I’ve considered trying to build these strong relationships again. However, I feel like it’s just going to be a soul sucking exercise. Most men aren’t looking for that as they have a wife or girlfriend or kids or job demanding their attention. If they don’t currently, they will soon enough. I don’t even know that I would be willing to open up to a good strong relationship anyway.

Ok. Then do it.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

That because in the west everything is “Physicalized” including all forms of love into a cheap and disgusting form of eroticism. In the west if it has a “soul” and cannot be profited upon, it is evil….

Hell, that’s what I(phones,pads,etc.) do….offer a gateway to “physicalizing” the soul (one’s thoughts, feelings, etc.)

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

Men have been turned against one another in the west. A lot of this is caused by females. They tell us we’re weak unless we’re aggresive to other males. If another man so much as looks at the wife or gf, she expects him to become protective/aggresive, even though she wants other men to check her out to validate her sexual marketplace value. They have a self interest in keeping men divided, simply put, divide & conquer. This way they, and they alone have complete control over the men. You ever notice when the cops show up to a dispute, first thing they do is split everyone apart ? This is a situation control method.

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