Brotherhood & Man-Man-Friendship — All Myth and Illusion?

[SubtilitasParticipant 101]

Good evening, Gentlemen,

Since the Great French Revolution, the notion of Fraternity (from french “fraternité”: brotherhood, brotherliness) has been made the maxim to act on by Western and Western influenced societies. Although the word in its literal sense excludes women, it has very early also been referring to both sexes as the kind of solidarity and social behaviour, namely the way brothers or men in general (should) treat each other, for all people worth striving for up to this day. Being someone’s “bro” is still considered something very positive and desirable by society, even our gynocentric one.
There probably haven’t any (really scientific) studies been conducted on this subject so far, so I can only rely on and talk about my personal experience as well as on the conclusions I draw out of the observation of (my knowledge of) history. So, my experience is as follows:

I do experience women being more considerate, empathic and social (however you’d like to define “social”) than men in many contexts and situations. But then again I have to admit, that maybe men in those specific contexts simply prioritise things differently than women. This means, that in one situation where a man would advise me just to pull myself together and stop whining, a woman would be comforting and allow emotions to pour out. In another situation though, it may be quite the opposite. Let me hear your opinion on that.

Also, a common perception is that normal woman-woman-friendships as well as lesbian relationships remain to varying extents superficial, some even doubt the existence of real lesbians, whereas man-man-friendships and gay relationships (once they have established) are considered to “reach deeper”. And really, it seems as though all the feminism did not manage to drive forward a common notion of some kind of sisterhood or female connoted solidarity fit for all. Even some female friends of mine state that they’d rather work with men as there is much less bitching or envy. At least in my mind, when I think of the concept of collegiality and working-together, I stereotypically think of a group of men building, composing something. So some might come to the conclusion that women are, in general, less “compatible” with themselves than they are with men, while men are well compatible with women and themselves.

But is that really so? Even though men are known to be prone to competetion with each other, their way of being friends seems to be the way to go. Isn’t this contradicting? No, I think, because again, men may prioritise differently. They don’t lay so much importance and significance in competing with each other in a friendship. And when they do, it’s in a playful manner and for fun.

What is your take on that? Is all the hype about fraternity, brotherhood, male friendships and “bro culture” justified? Or is it all just an illusion and many buddies just lie to themselves?

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

The way people show affection varies widely from culture to culture. There is, however, always a big price to pay for men that stray outside their societal norms.

In Arab countries we like to think that they are less civilized. While it’s true that they cannot hold hands or show affection with their wives in the street, male exhibitions of affection are everywhere.

Maybe male non-sexual affection is more fluid than we think and that our culture stifles the natural tendency of men who are emotionally close to be physically affectionate in public.

Being raised in our society, I would be embarrassed to even hold my 19 year old son’s hand. I feel like I’m missing something.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[AkhilleusParticipant 2486]

In Asian cultures holding hands isn’t a big thing, even the double kiss in a lot of cultures. Women will never understand the male bond if you ever played on a football team/basketball team or joined the military it’s the common bond of trust and knowing someone has your back right or wrong, women will never understand and will always question this. Women are like individual armies of one looking to conquer and capture resources very competitive and ugly, they seek to destroy harmony and great places, man places, I find they are always going where they are not welcome or invited.

Aloha means family you don't leave family behind. Who will be the next Draconarius for MGTOW? MGTOW = brothers = acceptance = belonging

[Anonymous 1]

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I think that’s why religious orders chose to be without females and separated the genders. Sexuality was just a life distraction.

In my younger days I thought priest of lesser men.
Today, I can see they were far advanced.
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I came across this Einstein quote the other day, which is related:

“I live in that solitude which is painful in youth, but delicious in the years of maturity.” – Albert Einstein

[BalthazarParticipant 722]

i would like to say that the idea that females are any more in touch or empathic for anything besides they’re own benefit is total bulls~~~. women only pay attention to others emotions and social cues/interactions in order to manipulate any given situation towards an outcome for their maximum benefit.

and if there were no such thing as fraternity and general brotherly altruistic behavior, none of us would be here. concepts such as fraternity, honor, dignity and higher morality all exist because men, more often than not, are able to exist in a higher plane of thinking and experience. this allows us to tie rational mind more fully to our emotions and be able to act more often in the interests of things greater than ourselves, i.e. mankind. i believe because we can more readily tie our head and hearts together that men experience a whole range of unique blended emotions to such an intensity, that women can never truly understand them.

women on the other hand are more likely to act in emotional irrationality devoid of or lacking in higher critical thought, which more often than not brings out their instinctive animalistic nature. this is why they’re being used as useful idiots to destroy everyone’s personal sovereignty. they’re being rewarded to act like animals. in this instance, they only understand and are incentivized by the pleasure of being able to act like animals. they are totally clueless that they’re being socially engineered to behave this way to the detriment of humankind, in order to bring all of humankind down with them, so that the human race as a whole will be more fully controlled by it’s masters.

don’t drink the popular culture, feminist kool aid brother, almost everything positive that women are portrayed as possessing is actually directly opposite to they’re true nature.

This body holding me is a reminder of my own mortality. Embrace this moment. Remember, we are eternal and all this pain is an illusion.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

I have a friend who has brothers.
Yet the oldest was always in competition from the parental love.

For many years I was in a losing competition with my younger brother. It led to resentment on my part, which I now regret. As I’ve aged I’ve come to realise that he is a different man to me, and more of a man in many ways.

Yes, he’s blue pill to the core, but it works for him. I see his struggles with wife and family but he holds it together well. I was always an outsider, and still am. I guess thats why MGTOW appeals to me.

At this point in my lfe I care for my brother more than ever before. He has health issues that have been brought on by overwork. I hope he can give himself a break and ease up a little. Trouble is, there are allways more things his wife and family need and he has to work, (Hard physical manual labour), to pay for them.

Sometimes it takes time, decades even, before you can appreciate your brother for what he is, rather than what you think he should be.

Even though he’s allways gone the accepted societal way, I respect him more than any other man (apart from my father, another Alpha Male), I’ve ever known.

It's Time to get Wise

[ChangedParticipant 588]

Put a quote that is suitable for this topic.
“Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.”

There are a lot of feminists who are parasites and dont like to work, they only like to be given privileges. There are also a lot of manginas who dont like to work. And simply some cultures dont want to receive help, for example gypsies refuse to integrate into other cultures. Or other types of mass-immigrants like you witnessed in norhter europe.

That quote is better because brotherhood can refer to communism, religion or other forms that are not clear. Nothing special about men, just fairness.

Matriarchy taxes us. Patriarchy taxes us. No Fucks Given! If they give us pains, lets give them pains. Daily.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Changed wrote:

And simply some cultures dont want to receive help, for example gypsies refuse to integrate into other cultures. Or other types of mass-immigrants like you witnessed in norhter europe.

I have a friend at work who is Romanian. I asked him about the Roma Gypsies. He told me they used to do handcrafts to make a living but now they just pickpocket and steal. I kinda’ felt sympathy for him cos’ he’s an educated cultured guy but when people hear he’s Romanian they associate that with “Romanies” gypsies. He told me some stuff about living under Communism. He hates those soul sucking f~~~ers.

I didn’t always get along with him (he was my boss), but I do respect his drive to succeed and his love of freedom. I like the guy.

You meet all the Nationalities in my town. It’s a real melting pot. Only we don’t melt, we seperate.

It's Time to get Wise

[JimBoLeaParticipant 1891]

GOD MADE MAN AND THEY BOTH WALKED AND TALKED AND YES I WOULD SAY THEY LOVED EACH OTHER IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, NOT A SEXUAL KIND OF LOVE. BUT A COMRADERY, OR AGAPE LOVE. THAT TYPE OF LOVE DOES NOT PURSUE ITS OWN INTERESTS.

LILITH IS THE HEAD SUCCUBUS AND SHE LIVES ON THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

[narwhalParticipant]

But what f~~~s with this brotherhood is male competition for pussy.

I’m going to disagree with this slightly. I can think of a few times were I was interested in the same woman as a friend or friends. We ALWAYS handled it with respect with no bad blood.

What I have seen repeatedly is a man stepping away from his friendships and commitments to his brothers in order to win, or just maintain, the affections of a woman. It is pretty much the definition of a marriage these days.

In our history men used to be bonded to each other in ways that were stronger then marriage. Those covenants are all but gone today.

As for the OP’s original point, I see what you’re getting at, but much of that is the image society wants you to believe, as well as the conditioning of men’s behavior. Sympathizing with another man’s plight is thought of as a sign of weakness. A man caring for the needs of another man OVER the needs of his wife is grounds for divorce. a woman has no such restrictions placed upon her.

And has been pointed out, much of the emotional concern women have for others is fake. They believe that appearances can substitute for reality. Half the time, they can’t even keep their emotions straight and end up talking about themselves instead of comforting the people they are supposed to be concerned about.

Notice how in the woman’s march, both Madonna and Ashley Judd got extremely emotional, yet only talked about themselves and never bothered to say what they were even protesting? All I heard was the Madonna wants to keeping destructive and Ms. Judd needs new sheets.

Ok. Then do it.

[ExecrationParticipant 1496]

I met two foreighners awhile ago. They held hands, hugged, kissed( no lip contact) etc. They were males and acted affectionately .

I think Caring about somebody and being sexually attracted arent part of caring about someone of the same sex. Having respect for a brother is , normal .

[Anonymous 5]

“When true brothers meet as allies to fight a common evil- nothing is more powerful”

Truly in a grand level I find Mgtow promotes healthy friendships and of course a healthy lifestyle.

[SubtilitasParticipant 101]

An interesting concept is the love that men can feel for other men.

In our era the concept of brotherly love was tainted with the aspect of male homosexuality.. I think it was an angle that the Marxist feminist used to isolate men and further degrade them.

Women are collective. (hive, socialist, communist)

Men are individualistic.

Well said, thank you. You’ve brought up something very interesting there, in my opinion. Because if you have a look at the feminist movements throughout history, the tenor has always been “We women”, “for us women…”. As soon as you talk to a woman about any topic concerning differences or misconceptions between sexes, there will most probably at some point a phrase containing something like “us women” etc. come out of her mouth. To my observation, this is rarely heard out of men’s mouths. Have you noticed this as well? They do this, even non-feminist women.

I would even go as far as saying that a man does not mindlessly “team up” with other, to him unknown men in order to fight for something or reach something. While the biological bond of being of the same sex seems to be enough reason – and hence remains superficial – for women to associate themselves with other women, a man is likely not to do this as, as we presume, more is necessary for him to associate himself with fellow men, hence the bond can reach deeper. Even here, on MGTOW.com, we do not get tired of highlighting that this is unlike any men’s rights movement, because individualism is intrinsic to a man going his own way. So, as much as I, a man, appreciate the kind of brotherliness we are talking about here, I most likely will never make use of the words “Us men” in the way women use “Us women”, simply because of my self-understanding of being an individual, though not disregarding the brotherly solidarity that is crucial for my and society’s survival.

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