Breitbart: Trump is the Black Panther (Me: Does that make MGTOW Wakanda?)

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  • #741390
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    IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)
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    I found this article on Breitbart interesting:
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/02/16/black-panther-review-great-actors-make-failure-launch/

    You have the Africa-American demographic media praising the movie Black Panther (saying it is a shot at Trump), and also spoke of Afrofuturism, and the film as a reflection of that. Wakanda is a closed border nation in the comics and films, that keeps its wealth as secret as possible. Breitbart compared the Black Panther to Trump. Pardon this minor possible spoiler, but it is in the ads also.

    If this analogy holds, then does that make how Wakanda operates be akin to one way to look at MGTOW? In this, you keep to your own damn self, and guard it, and stay out of the picture. I will run this thought by, if you do go see it, to think maybe how Wakanda is like MGTOW. There IS an all woman special forces force in Wakanda, so I am not speaking about the details, more the overview approach.

    Anyhow, just figure I would comment. Please limit comment here to try not to go into spoilers. Maybe a spoiler thread, from a political angle, fits here.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    #741396
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    good 15 min vid on the subject.
    amazing how the black panther can be a “hero”,
    when the movement was made up of cop killing racists.
    the double standard is alive and well.

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    IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)
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    good 15 min vid on the subject.
    amazing how the black panther can be a “hero”,
    when the movement was made up of cop killing racists.
    the double standard is alive and well.

    You are equating the character with the Black Panther activists? The comment is on the trailer, not the film.

    Breitbart saw the movie and commented on it.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    #741453
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    my bad.

    #741463
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    I call it common sense (the isolationist stance)

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    I call it common sense (the isolationist stance)

    “Common sense” here depends on both your priorities and what is considered “isolation”. I will be going into spoiler territory if I speak more about the movie, which I watched spoilers about, but haven’t seen yet. For Wakanda, in the film, it is sitting on a very rare metal, that can be weaponized and would screw up the world if it got out, so hiding makes sense. For other nations, it may make sense to avoid war, but to cut off trade, could be counter-productive actually. So, I am not sure what is “common sense”.

    my bad.

    It is entirely possible, Stan Lee did get inspiration from the name of the political activist group, but what I understand about the movie, there is reasons why the comparison is made. People see Trump’s policies in what they know about how Wakanda is set up and run. What I see in what I know, is opting out of everything the way Wakanda did, which is why I asked about MGTOW. MGTOW can be MGTOW even if Trump weren’t there. WHAT MGTOW is, is subject to endless debate.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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    “Common sense” here depends on both your priorities and what is considered “isolation”. I will be going into spoiler territory if I speak more about the movie, which I watched spoilers about, but haven’t seen yet. For Wakanda, in the film, it is sitting on a very rare metal, that can be weaponized and would screw up the world if it got out, so hiding makes sense. For other nations, it may make sense to avoid war, but to cut off trade, could be counter-productive actually. So, I am not sure what is “common sense”.

    I think Wakanda is very self sufficient (maybe not in the movie, but in animation they can even cure cancer). Therefore they see no need to trade with others countries. If you have superior technology and is quite self-sufficient, what does other countries have that you don’t?

    #741800
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    “Common sense” here depends on both your priorities and what is considered “isolation”. I will be going into spoiler territory if I speak more about the movie, which I watched spoilers about, but haven’t seen yet. For Wakanda, in the film, it is sitting on a very rare metal, that can be weaponized and would screw up the world if it got out, so hiding makes sense. For other nations, it may make sense to avoid war, but to cut off trade, could be counter-productive actually. So, I am not sure what is “common sense”.

    I think Wakanda is very self sufficient (maybe not in the movie, but in animation they can even cure cancer). Therefore they see no need to trade with others countries. If you have superior technology and is quite self-sufficient, what does other countries have that you don’t?

    Thank you for clarifying.

    I need to see the movie, but based on my understanding, your question about why bother to interact with the outside world, ends up being a question being pondered. If I go into more, it is in the spoiler category. This staying alone, I equated to one way to view MGTOW. Politically, you see it in the alt-right side, and the desire for nations to not get intertwined. The isolation is a key issue. You saw in Captain America: Civil War, that Wakanda did attempt to come out of the shadows and got attacked by terrorist elements, and this attack caused the the events to happen. Part of the spoiler part of the film is how Wakanda decides to interact with the outside of the world, and this interaction is going to connect with future Marvel films, particularly Infinity War. You see Wakanda in the trailer for Infinity War.

    Related issue (I am not going to do a different thread here):
    More MGTOW and Alt-Right related, I am seeing the identity of what is involved with Alt-Right fits here. There are racial nationalists who believe that race, along with common culture, is essential to the nature of things. I see more on the Trump side, it is just the culture, and having a common culture. What you have with Black Panther is questions of whether the racial component is needed. There is a push for common culture, without the racial element on the Trump side (see Breitbart also) which trumpet Black Panther as showing that you can have a great nation unified on culture, not race, by unity to this, so deviations from common culture, infusion of Islam (or other non European values) undermine things. Racial nationalists also say that genetics is essential. And with this, we are into various forms of identity politics.

    Anyhow, just my take. I am seeing Alt-Right will debate over this, with white nationalists not being able to accept Black Panther as an icon of great leadership, because he is not white.

    Anyhow, short on Wakanda, it can be argued that a nation possessing superior military technology used for defensive purposes, that minds its own business, can grow sufficiently advanced, and that fits right into the non-hawk members of the Trump camp. Of course, white nationalists, and other white identity politics, can never accept Wakanda as a sign of anything, because it is fictional and not white.

    I take Wakanda as what would happen if a meteor of a superior metal landed in the region around Ethiopia, and how history would develop:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda_(comics)

    Africa never had that at all. Ethiopia and Egypt are arguably to two most advanced nations, but they fell behind for a number of reasons. So, it is a what if, that can be studied, but not see as is.

    Anyhow, just my take.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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    still on the fence about going to see this film

    I have been told it is great but all of the bulls~~~ politics around the film make me not want to pay to see it

    I will probably fold at some point and go to see it though

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    still on the fence about going to see this film

    I have been told it is great but all of the bulls~~~ politics around the film make me not want to pay to see it

    I will probably fold at some point and go to see it though

    I would see to go see it sometime. The movie is focused on the issues of how an advanced nation in the world, would interact with the rest of the world. One can choose to agree or disagree with the decisions the Black Panther makes or not, and what Wakanda does, is debatable, but Wakanda is an example of a nation rich in a strong resource for tech and military, cutting itself off the world and becoming rich as a result. It can be presented as an argument for the political arguments for Alt-Right. Even the racial/ethnic argument regarding need for uniformity there, matters. Because Wakanda has a king, and not an elected leader, that is an argument against the liberal tradition that favors Democracy. Now, for those who hold that white is superior to all other races, the film would be a problem. But, Wakanda thrived as a nation that didn’t connect with the outside world but hid.

    But, if anything Black is an issue, don’t see it.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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