Brave, stupid, irresponsible?

[SteveParticipant 462]

I didn’t know MGTOW existed until a few weeks ago. I didn’t know that’s what I was or there were others like me. Sincerely thank you for this group.

I might have done something a bit stupid and I want opinions from others. Don’t hold back or sweeten anything up.

No long horror story intro, I’ve had everything from cheating, lying, fake illness, fake suicide, false rape allegations, house smashed, car smashed, career destroyed, slapped, scratched and a knife frenzy.

I’ve always known women were crazies from a very young age. That’s ok I’ll get on with my education, career, travelling, financial security, student and housing loans paid off etc. I enjoyed f~~~ing around with the youngest tightest girls I could get my hands on and then leave after the new car feeling wore off.

I was working overseas in a good job and playing around with a couple of young admin girls for sport. S~~~ hit the fan and I got dragged into Human Resources and got a spanking but kept my job. Both girls then joined forces with rest of females and some manginas and basically made me public enemy #1. “How could you be f~~~ing those lovely innocent young girls you… you…  man pig?”. I didn’t bother mentioning that one of the innocent girls liked to be spat at in the face (open mouth) and could only come if I choked her a little. The other was living with a guy and liked nothing better than swallowing me on a Friday afternoon before skipping home to her man. Big wet kisses all around.

Anyway I stuck it for another month and walked away from that job.

I had some time off and assessed my next move. I was bored of f~~~ing the crazies, I was 34 and I really wanted a son. I could offer a calm rational home, financial security, a healthy lifestyle and other than the f~~~ing young crazies some good moral values.

 

I figured I knew the enemy and could handle it. So I searched for a younger virgin girl who had at least a stable semi normal  family background. Fast forward two years and I’m married and have a very healthy son who is just over a year old.

Yes his mother is a crazy. Yes she tests me constantly. Yes my 1 year old son even looks at me oddly when she’s on her hamster wheel. Yes I still think i’m red pill and MGTOW and all. But now I have a son. He’s got my UK passport, his mother lives with me in my house in my home country. She does not have a UK passport (spouse visa UK 5 year path – thank you British government!).

My son is the single best thing that has happened to me and our interactions (hanging out) get better each week. I don’t feel like it was the wrong decision but have a niggling feeling its going to come back and bite me one day.

Can I still call myself MGTOW? Any other men done this / in a similar situation? Any advice on what to watch out for in the years ahead?

**apologies for the shocking formatting, I’m not sure what happened there**

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Sounds to me like a split personality. One one hand …. in your mind youre mgtow but your actions say blue pill.

There were ‘other ways’ of getting a son but you let your little head do the thinking.

You knew the score with crazy but still went ahead …. WFT was up with that?

I dont know what to say to help. You have glued yourself solid in this.

The UK is one of the worst places to be in. If she f~~~s off home …. with your kid …. you are f~~~ed.

She will fight for your house and stuff from her new home, have your son …… which she will use as a weapon …. and the UK system will aid and fund her.

I think we need better minds than mine to help you …… guys?

WTF were you thinking?

Said with love and a big boot 🙂

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

You are in the circumstances you’re in. There are no do overs in real life. Now, what to do about it?

Here’s what works for me (and you should know I’ve never been married and have no children).

Teach your son things. Teach him the things he needs to survive and succeed in his life’s journey. Here is a list of the things I wish I had known or done as a school age boy, and some I did.
* Self defense. Judo, boxing, or whatever accepts youngsters and happens to offer classes nearby. (If I had a child, the question would which martial art, and not if they feel like it.)
* Basic sports skills, swimming, catching, throwing, any and all hand-eye coordination activities dad and junior can do together. Make it fun!
* The lessons in the book The 48 Laws of Power, by Robert Greene, not because I would ever want to be that way, but because I need to spot people manipulating me early on.
* Teach him chess, poker, and other games that require skill, mainly because your son will remember doing things with his dad all his days. (I do!! But I don’t remember any of the TV shows we watched.)
* Help him with his schoolwork. Sit down with him every school day and go over his homework and lessons. (Ditto doing things with dad.)
* Pithy one liners from the Stoic philosophers, with emphasis on making the best of one’s circumstances without wishful thinking.

EDIT: My parents, bless their hearts, made sure my sister and I knew the basics of cooking and sewing. This enhanced our well being as adults no end.
In case I haven’t flogged it hard enough: Self Defense skill is Mandatory. I only wish I had started lessons as a six year old. My life would have been far happier.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SteveParticipant 462]

Thanks for the kick up the arse.  I needed that.

 

My twisted logic was:

 

1. I wanted a son with my genetics (so no adoption).

2. Had the baby in UK so he has a British passport like his dad – she can’t just f~~~ off and take him overseas without my permission.

3. All my assets and house paid off before she came along – and hidden in different places.

 

I know it sounds messed up but I really can give the kid a stable home and have a lot of time to give to him. If it (she) gets too crazy and starts ramping up the drama in the next few years and we divorce I’m prepared to raise him on my own. For that early stage in his life all he wanted was his mother and her milk.

 

For now things aren’t too bad and I’m squashing every challenge from her as soon as it comes.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Hey Bro focus on having a happy life.  Try not to let people drag you down.  They do this because their life is miserable.  I’m not just saying that that’s simply a fact.  Technically you can’t be a MGTOW because you’re still married but that doesn’t mean you can’t belong to the manosphere.  We will treat you like one of our brothers as long you’re a red pill man.

You might want to watch this video.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Long shotParticipant 48]

Yeah I see the logic behind it and there is a back up plan in place. However, you are a braver man than me. And some of these threads do sometimes get a little bitchy for my liking.

[SteveParticipant 462]

Thanks man and don’t worry I like cold hard opinions. I find them to the point and useful.

 

80 to 90% of the guys in my circle of friends, at work and in my family sugar things up way too much about their wives /women/crazies.

 

Its f~~~ing awesome having a son, just have to endure some hardship now and again, and if the hamster wheel comes off completely at least I have a contingency plan. I’ve read some other guys stories on here and the positions they’ve been put in – it boils my p~~~.

[SteveParticipant 462]

RoyDal – I think along the same lines as you. Don’t worry I’ll teach him as much as I can about everything. I’ve done my career slaving so now I can invest my time in him.

 

I’ve been looking at Chess sets already even though he’s only 1…

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

[RoyDalParticipant]

You are welcome, and I wish you and your son the best! He is lucky to have a dad like you.

I enjoyed this book. It’s a best seller for good reason.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Darth-Vader-Star-Wars-Chronicle/dp/145210655X/
Darth Vader and Son (Star Wars (Chronicle), by Jeffrey Brown

I am giving this chess set to all the kids in my family. I do not know if it’s available in the UK.
http://www.amazon.com/Yamie-Chess-School-Assistant-Supplemental/dp/B00JC2E5J4/
Yamie Chess School Assistant: K-8 Supplemental Math Learning Toy, by Yamie Chess

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

I will never be in your situation, but I wonder if it is worth consulting a lawyer at this point, just in case she tries to pull some s~~~ and take the boy away. You may do a consult and start documenting the crazy behavior so you have a history with back up on her suitability as a parent, and that possibly she had been planning some sort of exit with the boy.

I know it sounds a little antagonistic, but also be realistic. You have 50% chance of it not working and 65% chance or more that she will initiate the departure, and will likely get the boy,  so at least be prepared. I mean, you are saying she is crazy after only 2 years together, what is the chance it will get better? Especially with the experiences you have pointed out in your past dealings with women.

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

I will not take any particular stance on whether it was brave etc but I will say if you take the time to read around on this site you will get lots of warning signs. They are all pretty typical, avoiding spending time being aloof to you etc but the biggest predictor of divorce is contempt. If you see contempt the writing is on the wall, A researcher named Paul Ekman basically pioneered the science of micro expressions and one of the things they found during the course of their study was that any contempt by one of the parties is roughly a 90% that they will have split within a year.

In the event you do not know about Micro Expressions here is a brief description ripped directly from Mr. Ekmans front page.

Micro expressions are very brief facial expressions, lasting only a fraction of a second. They occur when a person either deliberately or unconsciously conceals a feeling. Seven emotions have universal signals: anger, fear, sadness, disgust, contempt, surprise and happiness.

I would say that I agree with Jack about this though get your lawyer stuff ready up front. Keep documents. And of course unless you intend to have another kid get a vasectomy. Additionally I would say if she really, really wants to get a UK passport she will ride out till at least the 5 year mark. Statistically the amount of time they wait is shrinking and the normal range at this point is as early as year 3. It was for me though it started a little sooner than that it just got drug out to that point before she broke.

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Sorry to say…

Corner…

Paint…

Do the math…

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[SteveParticipant 462]

Jack and Lazarus message received. Good advice there. Soul Man ditto and still laughing. Thanks!

Of course my darling wife is a crazy, she is a woman. So far so good only because I’m coming down heavy on any bulls~~~ straight away.

I’ve been fighting feminazi c~~~s all my life and not going to stop now. Yes the game is rigged, the courts will try and f~~~ you (they don’t want to financially support lazy women), yes my wife will try it on and more than likely initiate.

Am I gonna stop them from me having a son, and teaching him the right way? No way. I’m smarter and bigger and uglier than any woman. She’ll get *some* money if she initiates, most of it is hidden too well. F~~~ing take it. But there’s no way she’ll get my son.

The games rigged but I’ve increased my chances by preparing well in advance. She can’t up and take him overseas without my permission (he was purposefully linked to my British passport from birth). I’m not going to punch the bitch or give her anything she can call “abuse” on. And I’ve already started documenting her “emotional abuse” towards me. It doesn’t bother me in the slightest but these feminatzi courts love this kind of s~~~. The boy will have established a stable home and his own social circle and extended family ties in the UK, no judge is likely to rule a British Citizen in these circumstances be awarded to move overseas with a demonstrated unfit mother.

If the system does f~~~ me in the arse after all of this then I’ll look at my Plan B.

I might not be true MGTOW but I’m somewhere in the manosphere, red pill from birth and I’d sooner spend my last breath fighting these c~~~s than walk away and not experience being a father. For me MGTOW is as much about walking away from the feminist bulls~~~ and fighting it wherever it comes.

 

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

One thing you might try, just for s~~~s and giggles … here on mgtow.com we have TONS of stories of what women do to men to screw them in divorce.  Think about how you could do the same thing.

You need to make sure the kid stays with you after the divorce.  That is a HARD thing to do because all of western civilization is built on the premise that women and kids stay together.

Perhaps a nice restraining order, plus criminal charges if she’s crazy enough to seem threatening to you.  Get her deported if she hits you.  Treat her like a woman treats a man — use the system.   Pretend you are the weak one — since you are, really, as a man.  Fight dirty, like a woman always will.

Most importantly, start making a meticulous public record of her craziness. Call the cops every time she gets mad.   That way at the very least you neutralize her making you the bad guy.

I give your marriage a 90 percent chance of failure.    You really need to start planning your exit strategy now.

[SteveParticipant 462]

Smacktalk concur.

Documentation underway, can’t wait to call the cops if she goes for the knife drawer (they all do eventually).

I won’t be out smarted by a woman or this s~~~ feminist system. If it means using their s~~~ty underhand tactics (the ones they use on us) then so be it.

“oh no my marriage has failed” big deal. I wanted a son and that’s the end game for me.

Unlike the ladyeez men aren’t actually bad humans. If she tows along and behaves like an adult human then I won’t rock the boat and can show her compassion. The minute she tries it on I’ll put her back in her box. And oddly enough she seams to appreciate it. Perhaps somewhere in that hamster wheel head she knows she is behaving like a c~~~, but then the wheel squeaks and all she can think is run hamster run.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

What a dangerous game you got yourself into, to have your own son. Stay strong and good luck.

I wish you the best.

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