Booth Babe Misandry.

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

So a female friend of mine posted an article in regards to cosplayers/booth babes being banned from a convention. Now one of her friends (not mine) had this to say.

“Booth babes are a fast-dying misogynistic phenomenon that has nothing to do with fandom and everything to do with selling video games with T&A. They are not hired to know about the games, or to talk about the games; they are only hired to wear skimpy outfits and draw male customers into the booths. Cosplayers are a completely different thing, and I don’t know of a single instance where a cosplayer was told she was dressed inappropriately, unless she was actually flashing nipple”

Now this feminist response was not all that surprising and rather than argue the point with anyone I wanted to share my own perspective so I asked.

“Wouldn’t it also be misandry considering those models are there to manipulate male clients? Some models can be legitimate fans so where does line begin with real female geek and fake female geek?”

Her response.
no,  marketers catering to the male gaze is not misandry. reducing women to sexual objects in order to entice male customers is not misandry. You may not like what it says about men, but the fact that you admit to enjoying it means that it is serving you, in some way. All marketing is manipulative. It is the objectification and demeaning of the women that makes it sexist, not the fact that men like it, and are more likely to buy the game.and I followed by saying

I disagree because the marketing lowers men into nothing but boob obsessed neanderthals and thus that is misandry. We may enjoy it but doesn’t make it right. That would be like someone using Food to draw a fat person. Both devalue the person and is an assumption of that person. Should I be as male be offended? Not really. Except perhaps for being shamed for having a “male gaze”. Being attracted to women is not reducing them to sexual objects and is not what we think of women when we are so I’m a bit offended by that. If costuming scantily clad is demeaning then what does it say of the women who do so willingly and aren’t being paid for it? That they don’t value themselves? Is it because men are looking at them then suddenly its sexual objectification? Lets go back to my fat/food analogy. Would it be right to market to fat people using food? Fat people enjoy food, it serves them right? Or should those people be offended? Now apply that to men and consider that all parties are getting something from. The men get something to look at, the company gains a potential new customer, the model gets paid for her services. So where exactly is the exploitation? If someone were to market to a black/african american community and the did so by using rap music wouldn’t that be racist because of generalization? Even if it where true in some cases and they did like it. It still has a bit of bigotry and prejudice. The same goes for misandry because its sexist towards males whether we enjoy something or not.

Anyways I’m just sharing because I wanted to see what everyones thoughts about this topic where and how to respond to her or not. I have female friends and a lot of them buy into the feminist narrative and I will never stop being their friends unless there was some major betrayal however its sometimes hard to swallow that kind of talk after taking the red pill.  I’ve been the white knight, I can empathize from a female perspective but I read responses like hers and I sense a bit of misandry and it bothers the f~~~ out of me that they just don’t see it.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

It’s simple.  There’s supply and there’s demand.  If there is a demand for booth babes and there those that will sell themselves as one, there is an exchange of service for pay.  If no one wanted to do that work then there would be no booth babes.

Now let’s look at it this way.  Let’s say I needed to move extremely large objects that can only be carried by hand from point A to point B.  I will more than likely hire strong men for their bodies to move those objects.  What is the difference?  I am still hiring someone for their body.

This is called logic.  Feminists do not have the ability to mentally grasp the idea of it.

On a side note, I do not like the idea of booth babes, or any product that needs to advertise with half clad women in order to help sell a product.  I want to know about the product and not be side tracked by skin that is there to try to lower my mental capacity and reasoning skills by loss of blood flow to my brain.  However, if the product is the skin, by all means do your job to incapacitate my reasoning skills.  I will gladly pay the worth of that for a night.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

BigD wrote:

It’s simple. There’s supply and there’s demand. If there is a demand for booth babes and there those that will sell themselves as one, there is an exchange of service for pay. If no one wanted to do that work then there would be no booth babes. Now let’s look at it this way. Let’s say I needed to move extremely large objects that can only be carried by hand from point A to point B. I will more than likely hire strong men for their bodies to move those objects. What is the difference? I am still hiring someone for their body. This is called logic. Feminists do not have the ability to mentally grasp the idea of it. On a side note, I do not like the idea of booth babes, or any product that needs to advertise with half clad women in order to help sell a product. I want to know about the product and not be side tracked by skin that is there to try to lower my mental capacity and reasoning skills by loss of blood flow to my brain. However, if the product is the skin, by all means do your job to incapacitate my reasoning skills. I will gladly pay the worth of that for a night.

BigD wrote:

Well the supply and demand is the obvious part, I’m pretty sure she got that part and its easy for a feminist to argue the sexism in that but I’m trying to prove the misandry in that.   Between you and I we and other men we understand the logic and not get upset that someone gets paid for the use of our body, our use is utility and their is for ornamentation.  However the argument is always that women are reduced to this simplification and they get upset about it. They feel it brings them down.  So pointing that out will not convince her or any feminist.

Its funny she tells me that she has a cosplay business and describes these booth babes as basically fakes that don’t deserve to be there.  Somehow there is a difference between someone who cosplays for fun and one who does it for money and she acts as if the former is more noble. It doesn’t occur to her she is doing exactly what the booth babes are doing except that she’s marketing for herself vs marketing for a company. She argues the quality of the costume and the dedication of the craft being the difference but I think thats just semantics.  She describes men as boob obsessed neanderthals and that these booth babes are pandering to that primitive nature. I think that assumption is misandry whether true or not.

Its also the f~~~ed up logic of women can wear something sexy but how dare men look at them argument thats misogyny and objectification.  Ok get this got another feminist chiming in.

Which part of objectification don’t you understand?

My response.

A person models a product in a magazine is selling a product using their bodies and image. “objectification for profit”. However what your thinking is about is the exploitation of that objectification and my question who is the ones being exploited? In order for their to be exploitation one party must get less than what they deserve for their services.

and she says

It would only be misandry if the models hired to sell product were male, it isn’t misandry to lead men around by their penises, that’s called marketing.

Your food analogy defeats your misandry argument, marketing with food isn’t fat-shaming, it’s baiting a market segment, because food is not – or shouldn’t be – a segment of the population.

Women are an actual segment of society, therefore objectifying women in order to bait men is misogyny, not misandry.

 

Cosplayers replicate art, generally art that is already in existence and is under copyright. They’re allowed to do that because the copyright holders recognise it as free advertising, and because the cosplayers aren’t making any kind of profit off it.

Cosplayers can’t be boothbabes because the booth would then break copyright.

 

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

Me: Misandry /mɪˈsændri/, from the Greek misos (μῖσος, “hatred”) and anēr, andros (ἀνήρ, gen. ἀνδρός; “man”), is the hatred or dislike of men or boys.[1][2] Misandry can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of men, violence against men, or sexual objectification[3] of men. The form “misandrist” was first used in 1871.

Seeing men as being lead around with their penises is misandry and the point of my food analogy isn’t that food = people. Its about exploiting fat people with something that people assume that they want.

Your view of men is very narrow which is ironic in a discussion about the objectification of women the idea of being reduced to an object. You just reduced men to a penis. Denigrating and sexist. Ok lets flip the script and say that its a stereotype to say that all women think with their pussies and used male models to market to them. Wouldn’t that be sexist towards women?

Her:  lol

you have no idea what my view of men is, because you’re too busy trying to shore up your own fallibility.

You may as well have your eyes closed, fingers in your ears singing lalalalalalala.

You’re basically talking out your ass.

Me: So who’s the one objectifying and being sexist here? You reduced men as penises and models as marketing tools. How about respecting a persons ability to see beyond that scope? and what fallibility would that be?

Her:  /amused

the fallibility that objectifying one segment of society for the gratification another segment of society is somehow a denigration of the target audience.

The fallibility that using a verbal descriptor automatically subscribes me to the sentiment illustrated.

The fallibility that any person who is voluntarily being marketed isn’t being exploited and that any person supporting said marketing is being victimised via their own desires or weaknesses.

Me: Its denigrating when the target audience is marketed based on bias. Anyways I’m merely expressing my own objection to this perception of men and my own personal distaste. Whether you or anyone else agrees with it or not I find it offensive and you can’t tell me otherwise.

I’m not here to change you or anyones thoughts on the matter only giving my thoughts for those willing to listen to them.

 

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

Ugh being bombarded by feminists and Manginas..

[Anonymous 1]

@lunaticreason
Retreat!!! Retreat!!! Save yourself soldier!

[Anonymous 2]

Sex sells. The fact women are willing to do this work says enough. Everything that is sexy is objectification in a way.

And I am fine with that.

Bitches moaning and crying about it irritate the s~~~ out of me though.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

The irony is that many of these famous cosplay girls show off skin like a both babe in order to get followers and donations. I have always thought booth babes were stupid because they draw in the pathetic men and they don’t really care about you. When I was at anime expo once the funimation booth had 2 booth babes dressed as Panty and Stocking since they English dub had just come out. Naturally these girls were not into anime and would never even acknowledge a nerd outside of the convention. I ignored them and didn’t take any pictures with them because I wasn’t going to degrade myself. Someone they did have at the booth who was a good idea was Adam Sheehan. He works for Funimation and knows what is going on. To me that is the kind of person who should draw you into a booth. Over at the Viz booth they had a woman there who actually worked for the company and she was able to answer my questions.

I feel like companies should have the right to hire a half naked women to promote a product if they want even if she isn’t a real nerd. If women don’t like it then they need to go after all those other women who have made a name for themselves in the con community. It goes both ways too. The guy who owns the comic book store I go to has done ladies nights in the past and has hired muscular shirtless guys to serve drinks.

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