Blue Genes, Alt-Red Memes. Animals like us

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Imagine two galaxies colliding. Their arms entwine. Their clouds turn inside out and they race past each other in a repeating entanglement. The two are forever stuck in a cosmic dance.

The two galaxies are like Genetics and Memetics.

What are genes?

Following Newton’s three laws, gravity and electromagnetic force arrange matter. Though seemingly random to us, energy and matter arrive on a one way street. Only what can happen, will happen. As it relates to genetics, we call this street Biological Determinism. Genes adapted to environments and produced large hominid brains. I’m trying to be as brief as possible.

Consciousness was not a sudden threshold reached in the hominid brain. It formed slowly and developed into complexity. At first, only glimmers of sentience, then a little more. And with each changing ape, we can envision consciousness grabbing hold. Seven million years ago, Australopithecus catching a reflection of itself in a rain puddle and pauses for a moment confused. Two million years pass, Homo habilis plays hide and seek with his siblings in a giddy but demented psychological existence. Millions of more years and we imagine Homo erectus angered by the finality of death. And thus Homo sapien, now vainly anthropomorphizing a consciousness that is responsible for consciousness, go figure.

Anyway, you get the picture of Genes, they form over epochs. They produced flesh and bone locomotion and finally consciousness. Genes laid the foundation for Memetics by providing the bio-machinery but memes are now a force all their own.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

What are memes?

They are like the dark energy of natural selection. Though physically and materially absent, their effects are not. Memes are the howling grunts of homo Ergaster and the spoken Shakespeare at a London café’. They are hunting methods and ways of producing the sharpest hand axes. Everything that is essential to survival (and much that isn’t) which CAN NOT be written into DNA and passed on physically; that is what memes are, we pass them socially. We pass them on by speech, gesture, insinuation and example. Many of them are one-offs, like handshaking as a form of greeting. Others are arranged in a group which we call a memeplex. An example would be Judaism.

A common misconception is that Memes are a byproduct of Genes so we shouldn’t give them credence and instead look only to genes for the answers. This is the nature versus nurture debate. Neither one is in total control, it’s a combination. Children aren’t born knowing how to tie their shoes or pray the Rosary. We tend to pick memes up along the way. If children were raised in a vacuum, we’d expect the emergence of similar but not quite identical memes to occur. We’d certainly discover the best way to kill a Wooly Mammoth all over again and we’d pass on the meme, of narrowing large prey into a choke point. But would the Lord’s Prayer be the same, word for word? I think not, but a meme like polytheism would certainly show up intact. The point is that memes are not ingrained in us, they are taught, intentionally or not, they get passed on socially.

Memes are everywhere, and so are genes. Together they account for the wide array of culture and diversity we see in humans. Genes formed pale skinned apes in the northern climes and ebony apes in the tropics as a reaction to environmental stimuli. Memes are like ice fishing in Minnesota or using nets in the Amazon River.
Not all genes and memes are good though. Bad genes like genetic disorders are numerous. On the other side, for an example of negative memes, just read the Koran or ask an African American how they feel about slavery. You may get more than you bargained for by tangling with those memes or meme-agents.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Can we eliminate bad genes?

We’re getting to the point where we can. But it’s important to remember Biological Determinism. Genes are material, which means they’re subject to physical history, passed on hereditarily through the ages. When extinction level events occur and wipe out large portions of humanity, as has happened in the past, the only genes moving forward are from the survivors. This ‘bottle-necking’ of the gene pool resets genetic diversity to a massive extent. Geneticists have shown that modern humans are all descended from a few thousand people who survived an extinction level event only 80,000 years ago. It’s important to remember that significant evolutionary genetic changes have not occurred in human DNA since then, much to the chagrin of certain people.

Can we eliminate bad memes? Yes, we can quarantine them or teach people why they are harmful or delusional. We can fight the memes. Whether they’re cultural, political, medical or religious, we can go to any length to eradicate those memes from the world. Some memes have been notoriously stubborn, and the meme-agents would not part with their meme. They had to be isolated or killed.

For instance, we killed many Germans and Japanese who would not surrender in WWII. In many cases, they were outnumbered and outgunned, but their devotion to their meme was so strong, we had to kill them. It’s certainly arguable that a bottle necking of the meme-pool could be beneficial for humanity.

I’m not advocating for either side, I’m just giving an example of how death or isolation is sometimes warranted when a populace is so far entrenched in a memeplex that they are beyond hope.

Many people on this site do not approve of multi-culturalism. Indeed, its track record is less than optimal. Similarly though, segregation and nationalism have also seen colossal failures. With omnipotent powers like Memetics and Genetics constantly meshing thousands of variables together, it’s often difficult to correctly observe what is happening with animals like us. We can misidentify a memetic problem as a genetic problem. Ironically, a dangerous meme’s best survival mechanism is to appear as ‘not a meme.’

[Gravel PitParticipant]

I’m speaking about this for two reasons.

I wanted to encourage the correct identification of memes versus genes. This will hopefully point out the racial folly of the Alt Right’s more radical pseudo-scientific claims. This is not to damage their entire sentiment which has some merit, but I’m aiming precisely at race/IQ shenanigans. Those arguments are simply bunk. A distribution bell curve is just that, a distribution bell curve. There are valuable genes in every population. Genetic variance since the latest genetic bottleneck is embarrassingly weak across the species. Cultural, social, political and economic strife should be kept out of geneticist’s labs. Genes have little relevance in anything but medicine.

My second reason may surprise you. I want to point out that humans; in an effort to eradicate undesirable memeplexes, will segregate or flat out terminate life indiscriminately.

It’s entirely possible for a loosely defined ethnic population to harbor a social-identity-meme so dangerous that other people will target that ethnic population as being virtually indistinguishable from the memeplex itself. At that point, it matters little whether the meme hunters are racists or not, their goal is the same because the ethnic group and their meme have become inseparable. Our species has faced natural bottlenecks of the genepool before that made us stronger. It is only natural that we will see memepool bottlenecks too that will also make us stronger. It won’t be pretty.

Let me rephrase in blunt terms. If enough “blacks” self-identify with memes like Black Lives Matter, anti-white memes, or if they steal, dress like gangsters and act aggressive with ever increasing bad social statistics … the competing memeplexes which are not ethnic but collective, and who are out for the well-being and prosperity of a free society, they will eventually see negative black culture memes and black people themselves as indistinguishable. This is not good for blacks because at that point, it won’t matter that there were a few racists who judged them unfairly, they themselves will be under intense pressure due to allowing their own ethnicity and bad cultural memes to become inseparable.

As a final aside, I’ll offer some adages I truly live by. Judge a man by his character, not his skin. Principles before personalities. Do not become a stereo-type of what others expect you to be. I am not an advocate for Alt Right views. I think they are exaggerated and needless. While my ethnicity is German/Welsh, I identify as human first and American second. Objectively, I’m just human, the latest mutt hominid species in 10 million years of walking this Earth, not special but perhaps a little unique.

I do lament the erosion of Caucasian culture and our diminishing birthrate, it would be nice to preserve our heritage and achieve a replenishing birthrate. However, humanity is going forward with or without our vain desires. I do not believe whites are inherently better than any other demographic. It’s six one way, half a dozen the other. Splitting hairs or cherry picking data is micro level bulls~~~ when compared to a macro 10 million year old evolution with a massive recent genetic bottleneck.

Biological Determinism is moving forward and it is an unconscious and indifferent beast that really doesn’t give a s~~~ what color or geographic population manages to survive. We are one. We are moving forward as one.

Thanks for reading.

[MonkParticipant 17049]

Your skeletons are incorrect. Negroid and caucasoid skulls are easily distinguishable.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Here ya go Monk, we know this is what you want to see

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[Gravel PitParticipant]

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[Anonymous 1]

I’ve seen an increase in people getting their DNA sent out to Labs. They want to know about their ancestry.

I’m skeptical of the science involved. I’ve found that scientific theories go through trends and a prominent theory today will be laughed at in 100 years.

The IQ and racial theories are bulls~~~ too. The more times you take an IQ test the better you score, just like any test. That is not a test of your “Intelligence.”

DNA is not as well understood as scientists claim. For example they say “Whites” have Neanderthal DNA. There is problem with that theory.

I remember seeing an interview with the scientists. They said they had to be very careful not to mix the “Neanderthal” sample with the modern white person’s sample. This is because the two samples cannot be identified by any DNA test alone. They only know its “Neanderthal” DNA because it came from a archeological dig. Lol. There is no DNA difference between Neanderthal and Modern European DNA. If you swap the samples around and change the labels on the bottles they can’t tell the difference.

What’s that tell you about the DNA Science?

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Im not a paleo biologist but they’ve mapped those genomes. They know the difference.

When you look at the physical differences tween Neanderthal and Human, there are many. Rib cage totally different. Neanderthal absence of forehead and thick brow. Length of shins.

Its not just Europeans who have 4% Neanderthal. Its EVERYONE except Africans. We spread east after mixing with them. Asians and Native American have Neanderthal as well as Denisovan.

[Anonymous 1]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Im not a paleo biologist but they’ve mapped those genomes. They know the difference.

…so they say.

I’m not a paleo biologist either, so I rely on common sense. A Donkey and a Horse can cross breed, but their offspring “Mule” is infertile because too much difference between parents (numbers of chromosomes). Yet Neanderthals and Humans cross bred and produced fertile offspring. If they could do that technically they are the same species.

According to Biology:

Some species can look very dissimilar, such as two very different breeds of dogs, but can still mate and produce viable offspring, which signifies that they belong to the same species.

A species is a group of individual organisms that interbreed and produce fertile, viable offspring. According to this definition, one species is distinguished from another when, in nature, it is not possible for matings between individuals from each species to produce fertile offspring.

Formation of New Species

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Yet Neanderthals and Humans cross bred and produced fertile offspring. If they could do that technically they are the same species.

Yea, I see what youre saying, its interesting.

Eventually, though genetic populations be so similar they can still reproduce, geographic and other isolation type barriers, for prolonged periods of time, they will cease to be able to mate. The changes occur gradually over 10’s of thousands of years, even hundreds of thousands.

This is what makes it so interesting to accurately get a picture of how the last 3 million years played out.

Homo Ergaster didnt just walk North out of Africa and transform into Neanderthal in a week, neither did Homo Sapien. But we know, both groups slowly evolved separately and there was some slippage, however it occured, it happened.

Its incredibly interesting. Say you go back in time 250,000 years ago. There are no less than 3 majorly evolved hominid groups inhabiting the Earth simultaneously whether they encounter eachother much or not.

Its the biggest detective, forensic mystery on Earth. When did humans inbreed with Neanderthal? How much longer later did they all go extinct? How did geography and the TOBA eruption play a role? We left Africa twice but did we go back once after having bred with Neanderthal? When did Denisovan breed with us, where’d they go?

And during that time, homo Erectus, Human and Neanderthal were all present. Add another 200,000 years, only humans are left. I think we killed them all off. And Im glad we did, we had just cause for taking over.

I think the inbreeding happened very early on, later after several 10s of thousands of years, we were too separateely evolved to crossbreed. Thats when TOBA went off 80,000 years ago and nearly killed all the groups. Afterwards we had rapid growth and expansion of migration. And I think we cleaned house.

The differences between Neanderthal and human were stark at that point, giving us real reasons to hate them and genocide them. Todays genetic diffferences are nothing when compared to that. We have no reason to discriminate now (based on genes)(there are plenty of reaaons to discriminate on MEMES, even to the point of quarantine or war). Take Islam for example. If they dont s~~~ out a Reformation for themselves soon, they are going to face some serious consequences.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

This is why I think modern Eugenics is a joke. Hello, we already performed Eugenics 100,000 years ago when we were waxing anything and everything that didnt exactly resemble us or could possibly pose a threat. The volcano helped alot, we quickly finished the job. And it wasnt just Neanderthal, we iced Denisovan and Erectus too. Its inside us, to want to do it. Back then I can see why it was probably for the best. Today? Its just ignorant as f~~~.

The Nazis trying to create the ubermensch, various racist groups citing all sorts of cherry picked BS data. Its pathetic.

You have a massive volcano that wipes out 98% of the population so only a very few strong groups survive. The volcano also kills off most your competition and competing similiar subspecies. Then all of them go extinct anyway whether we did it or not. What better genetic purity could we hope to achieve? We got handed the best scenario ever!

Im not against gene mods or creating better humans. Thats fine in the realm of medicine and common sense edits. But when it comes to Alt Right bulls~~~, low “white” birthrate and ‘IQ’ studies…Im thinking what the f~~~ are these morons on about?

I want smart people of all “races” to breed, thats just a given, who wouodnt want that? But that is a coversation about culture, law, misandry in the courts, politics etc… has zero to do with our million year old track record and sweet deal we made for ourselves 100K years ago. Its all indescribably petty.

[Anonymous 1]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Yea, I see what youre saying, its interesting.

Yes, it is very interesting. As you say, the greatest Detective Mystery.

The problem I have with it is the contradictions in what they are saying. They say there were all these different Species of Hominids, but then in the next paragraph they are telling you about the inbreeding amongst them. Like I said, cross-breeding and producing fertile offspring means they are the same species.

I think what we are dealing with is a situation like Dogs. Many different breeds all the same species. Breeds may appear very different physically and you may think they are a different species by looking at them, but you would be wrong.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Its easy to see genetic differences when you have a giant magnifying glass zeroed in on some tiny inconsequential detail. Zoom out to the big picture, its a total joke.

Like zooming in on a foot hill speaking about how steep it is, its so treachorous this foot hill. Then the camera pans out and you see Olympus Mons sitting right there like a Leviathan Titan revealing the foothill to be a handicap ramp.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

all these different Species of Hominids, but then in the next paragraph they are telling you about the inbreeding amongst them

They arent the same species 50,000 years later. This isnt dog breeding that happened the last few hundred years, its hominid evolution over a few million years.

Look at Dolphins and Orcas. Same species? Yes and No. You see them breeding? No, but their ancestors did a million years ago or more.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Stardusk’s channel was demonetized. Not really related to this topic but Im kind of tooting my own horn here.

The cuck Left continues to censor everything they dont like. They are trying to kill Mig-Tau

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Wanted to include this video as it’s pertinent to this subject.

While Molyneux presents facts that I don’t disagree with, I think memetic factors magnify problems that they’re trying to associate with IQ discrepancy, in ways we have yet to account for. Our social governing and cultural melting-pots are horrendous, basically ‘chaos’ has more order and logic. So in my opinion, its disingenuous to speak about the IQ racial divides, or to chalk up anything to IQ racial divides. Take a look at 1000 other variables!

He’s not wrong, it’s just totally disingenuous. If we solved for those memetic problems, IQ racial differences would hardly be mappable onto outcomes of lives. Their quality of life and the progress of humanity as a whole would not be hurting.

We’re disorganized as a species. That is our major problem, not IQ points varying from demographic population to demographic population. The Hadith is a problem, not the difference between 115 and 90… Black Lives Matter is a problem, not the difference between 115 and 100 (or whatever the figures are).

Im not denying that in general, IQ varies across populations. Im saying, that does nothing to solve for atrocious memeplexes that prevent human progress as a whole. If the house is on fire, you get a fire hose and put the fire out. You don’t stand around blaming a 2mph wind that is feeding the flames.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Once again, its just total crap. They want the easy way out. Blames genes because there’s an ounce of truth to it. YET NO MENTION OF THE MASSIVE NUMBER OF MEMES THAT MAKE OUR LIVES S~~~TY….

The time for addressing dangerous memes peacefully is disappearing. If they do not start educating people, there will be a race war, on top of gene mod wars.

This century is headed to some dark places

[Gravel PitParticipant]

I remember over the Summer, they aired a show on TV. A documentary about the 1992 Rodney King riots. What reason is there to put a show like that on the TV for mass viewership in the year 2018? There is no reason to pour gas on a fire.

Then again about a week ago, my friend’s TV is playing a show where some CNN guy is hunting down Neo-Nazi kids on the internet and finding people who were in Trump Rallies and doxcing kids who were fighting Antifa people…

Why do you see this crap being high-lighted and glorified? IT DOES NOTHING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE OR TO PROGRESS MANKIND..

They dont want people to know the truth… they just want a race war…. they want the easy way out, instead of addressing the real problems in society and culture…

Nothing is easy. But instead of doing the job right, they just want to burn it all down… BOTH SIDES ARE INSANE

[Anonymous 1]

Gravel Pit wrote:

I remember over the Summer, they aired a show on TV. A documentary about the 1992 Rodney King riots. What reason is there to put a show like that on the TV for mass viewership in the year 2018? There is no reason to pour gas on a fire.

Then again about a week ago, my friend’s TV is playing a show where some CNN guy is hunting down Neo-Nazi kids on the internet and finding people who were in Trump Rallies and doxcing kids who were fighting Antifa people…

Why do you see this crap being high-lighted and glorified? IT DOES NOTHING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE OR TO PROGRESS MANKIND..

They dont want people to know the truth… they just want a race war…. they want the easy way out, instead of addressing the real problems in society and culture…

Nothing is easy. But instead of doing the job right, they just want to burn it all down… BOTH SIDES ARE INSANE

Yes, you are absolutely correct. I have also noticed the Main Stream Media is cherrypicking stories to antagonize racial tensions. I started noticing it under Obama. Obama himself used this kind of antagonizing rhetoric.

The Alt-Right was the opposing polarity needed to spark off a real Race War. There are sinister forces at work that will benefit from this Race War. The American people are being played like a fiddle. All of this was attempted before in the 1960s, but the Race War never got going. They even had the likes of Charles Manson running around trying to help “get things started.”

Well, if at first you don’t succeed try try again…

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