Black Book

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I have never been one to keep count of how many women Ive slept with. A lot of men do. I was just condidering this after listening to Bill Burr and Tom Leykis, the results of which made me wonder how many men WOMEN sleep with.

This made me reflect and consider the following: the disparity between the amount of women I actually have had sex with, and those that have been at my home, naked, and ready to go, that I CHOSE not to have sex with.

Have many of you been in the same spot?

I know it sounds like a seemingly strange question, but for me personally I know it had to do with the severity of the value I placed on SEX in the home I was raised. In my mind, up until I was in my late 20’s, I perceived intercourse as much more sacred than any woman I had met put a value on the act.

I s~~~ you not. There were many times I had females naked and ready to go, but the act of intercoure always seemed valuable to me, and the fact that the women didnt perceive it as such turned me off.

Can any of you relate? Any first hand stories are appreciated, as always.

Resident cynic.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I was wondering if blowjobs are considered sex
For men? For women?

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[KeymasterKeymaster]

They say ask a man and you can divide his “number” by 3. Ask a woman and you can MULTIPLY her real number by 3… because as you know, women sometimes tell themselves s~~~ like “Oh that guy I blew in the toilet that time didn’t count”. They really think like that.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

, I perceived intercourse as much more sacred than any woman I had met

I have have had more one-night stands than I really wanted to. A few times, shockingly, I was in the middle of the act ….. actually wondering how I ended up in bed with this chick. No clue how it got there, because there were times I wanted it to go there and there was no way of planning it either! There was no formula for this. But I will FULLY admit if I don’t actually LIKE the girl, I could give a damn about whether it happens or not. I treated it as MUCH more “sacred” than the women did. That’s for sure. Especially my first time. We were 17. She f~~~ing trained me like she had been doing it since she was 6. “ok now do this…and do that” like she was an anatomy teacher or some s~~~.

THEN when I was 19, a friend of a waiter friend hooked me up with a 31 year old “Stifler’s Mom”. That’s EXACTLY what she was in my eyes. The whole experience grossed me out. Lights were on bright and she was fake screaming like there was NO way I was doing all of that. It really put me off older women FOR LIFE. To this day I have never banged a chick even 1 day older than me.

Absolutely can relate.

By the time I was 24 I lost count. I had a rough idea but it seemed stupid to keep track.

I remain convinced, even the PUAs types who waltz through life with pussy right and left are not made happy by higher notch counts.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Russky,

Ha! Ive thought the same as well. When I get a blow job I personally dont consider it as sex. Ill be honest:.if a chick GIVES a blow job, I DO consider it an increased number of sexual partners on her part. A f~~~ing c~~~ in her MOUTH? Its simply different for the sexes in my mind.

I hope this thread doesnt turn into what DEFINES “sex” lol. I would really like to hear from you guys on the ORIGINAL topic.

Thanks for the reply!

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

KeyMaster,

“…A few times, shockingly, I was in the middle of the act ….. actually wondering how I ended up in bed with this chick. No clue how it got there, because there were times I wanted it to go there and there was no way of planning it either!”

That statement reminds me of a time I was banging this chick for the first time, whom I met online.

I remember when I was f~~~ing her I felt: guilt, remorse, and why the F~~~ am I sticking my dick in this broad I dont even respect.

Apparently she picked up on the vibe, because after the act was done she told me “Ancientwisdom youre looking for your DREAM girl. You are NEVER going to find her”.

That event STRONGLY stuck out in my mind. The: guilt and remorse of me sticking my dick in RANDOM pussy which conflictef with the depth of my own personal values must have permeated the room with an aroma akin to pesticide for roaches. The toxic, anger consumed gaze of my eyes penetrated her. She, at that moment, realized I wasnt SIMPLY looking to get my dick wet. No. I wanted, and expected more out of life and women, but havent found it.

Her retort in realzing I want more out of a woman than a cheap, wet hole, and realizing she wasnt it? “Youre expectations are too high”. Lofl.

Was I wanting sex? Yes. Was I buzzed? Yes. But that doesnt change the fact that she realized in reality I wanted MORE, and she was simply a surrogate for the night. In fact, her sluttery causes more creedence to me believing I CANT find a woman like I want.

In short: women feel LESS sacred and commitment with sexual acts than men. In their mind it is “JUST something that happened”. Those are the cheapest, most whimsicial, unnacountable words ever uttered.

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

“JUST something that happened”

No no , no… no…..

TSUNAMIS …….. “happen”.

BRAIN tumors………. “happen”.

EARTHQUAKES………. “happen”.

Dolling yourself up, pushing your t~~~ together, teasing your hair up to the moon, shopping for something to wear, painting on your face and nails for 4 hours, going out of your way to seek make attention , then blowing Guido the Killer Pimp in the toilet before spreading your legs and getting banged ball-deep while bent over the toilet with your hair in the water…. doesn’t “happen” to you. YOU GO OUT.. and MAKE it happen like the little tramp you know you are.

Spends 45 minutes straighten her hair but refuses to straighten out the MESS that’s inside.

/audio/if-youre-not-a-slut-who-is/

Let;s just say I have known too many girls exactly like that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

KM,

I completely agree. The “it JUST happened phrase” should be: printed, deifined, and explained to EVERY young man. These are the types of woman “thinking” that should truly comprise our Black Book. Not the number of whimsical women you HAPPEN to bang.

“It JUST happened”. What does that statement tell you? ZERO sense of accountability. ZERO sense of responsibility. It is tantamount (equivelant in quality or value) to similar female statements: “oh, the STARS were aligned JUST right”…”What SIGN are you?” “We had CHEMISTRY”.

GIVE ME A F~~~ING BREAK.

Its just like Jack Nicholsons quote in the film As Good As it Gets -“I think of a man, and I take away accountability and responsibility”. Ive seen you quote that as well. The first time I saw that film, that quote just struck me as AMAZING. I love how the female character is holding one hand over her forehead and one over her heart, as though she is so priceless and valuable, then he RIPS her to shreds.

A TRUE moment in a film from Hollywood. Finally. Lol.

If anyone else has experience on the original question, its much appreciated.

Resident cynic.

[QcummerParticipant 652]

as it’s been stated before by some bloke: “men don’t enjoy sex, they enjoy the fact that they are having sex”.

I can relate to that my whole life. But I do not believe for a second that it’s the normal healthy way. Being in a sexually oppressed and sexually exploitative culture will making ‘getting it’ overshadow the act itself. Do you think hunter-gatherer tribes think about sex like this? f~~~ no, but that’s what we crave…the tribe, but we’re more on our own now than ever before in history. It could be worse, might as well ADAPT.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Qcummer wrote:

as it’s been stated before by some bloke: “men don’t enjoy sex, they enjoy the fact that they are having sex”.

I can relate to that my whole life. But I do not believe for a second that it’s the normal healthy way. Being in a sexually oppressed and sexually exploitative culture will making ‘getting it’ overshadow the act itself. Do you think hunter-gatherer tribes think about sex like this? f~~~ no, but that’s what we crave…the tribe, but we’re more on our own now than ever before in history. It could be worse, might as well ADAPT.

Could you elaborate on what your point is? Im SINCERELY not being a smart ass (I know via written word it is difficult to ascertain ones tone, but Im being SINCERE here).

Everytime I hear a “hunter gatherer” or ANY other behavior or trait which is passed on by a genetic evolutionary mechanism, I am leery. I do not want to turn this discussion into a creation by design OR chaos theory, but I have a difficult time believing that women or men today find physical traits attractive for EVOLUTIONARY purposes.

Case in Point:
“Child bearing hips”- lol I could care LESS. Im not some advanced stage MONKEY wondering if my girl can bare MANY of my children. I NEVER even consider such things.

When was the last time ANY of you truly had to PHYSICALLY defend yourself, if you didnt CROSS the line? I have NEVER had to in the past ten years of my life. So long as I respect others and take s~~~ into account, it doesnt happen. If some dude is a douche, I leave before it gets out of line. That has happened ONE time in the past 15 years. I walked away because it was clear the guys (multiple navy seals) wanted to start a fight, and yes it was over a girl.

Resident cynic.

[QcummerParticipant 652]

You’re just misinterpreting my words…happens all day every day. To explain a bit more:

humans been around for over a couple hunnit thousand years.

Most of that existence was confined to being within small groups of 150 people or less.

The world had plenty of space for the number of humans.

The last 10,000 years in most parts of the world have ‘civilization’ where there is private property and constant competition. No more all for one and one for all..like tribes operate. There are tribes that exist this very moment..like in Papua New Guinea, that have been like that for f~~~ing ever. Many tribes don’t have a word for ‘depression’, they are rarely alone, they get along and work together to survive. This is not new knowledge, but I was thinking of repackaging it with some new science to write a book…but I’m busy with other s~~~. Your post hints at you not believing in evolution, which is the same thing as saying I don’t believe you can make different breeds of dogs. I just want to give you a serious answer to your inquiry, but I’m a little timothy leary about what information you choose to be ‘most true’. If you think on a level that I think is stupid, I won’t insult you or give a damn, I just won’t use my time to exchange ideas. There’s just no reward in that. Some people don’t like to be not smart. I was born smart, it’s also a curse, and I also know I know nothing. Is there anything you want my ideas about or can you add something I may benefit from? Hope this long reply has further explained my point of view.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

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Qcummer, I am happy to have this debate, but would prefer it in a NEW and seperate thread, as it really has NOTHING to do with my original topic. I know sometimes topics get out of hand, and I admit I did this in my reply. But I think this discussion belongs under Philosophy forums, not this thread. I respect your views, and encourage our discussion, but it isnt fitting in this thread. I probably encouraged the side tracked discussion more than you. But I would appreciate if we have this discussion in a new thread. Thank You.

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Qcummer,

I respect anything you have to say. This is NOT the direction I intended this thread on going. I did however want to address one of your points below:

“Your post hints at you not believing in evolution, which is the same thing as saying I don’t believe you can make different breeds of dogs.”

That example is MICRO evolution. Of COURSE I believe in MICRO evolution. I do NOT believe in MACRO evolution because ALL of the EVIDENCE the ENTIRE theory hinges upon is MISSING: namely ALL of the billions of bones missing from tje evolutionary process from ape to man. There should be COUNTLESS skeletons of this MISSING species. They are non EXISTENT. GONE. POOF. WHERE ARE THEY? Its comical, really, an ENTIRE theory HINGING upon this hypothesis but NONE of the evidence exists.

Also, the “dog BREEDING” analogy is equivelant to a black dude having sex with a white chick and producing a half n half. Its hybrid. Thats not “evolution”. That is NOT “nature CHOOSING” some natural selection. Thats a f~~~ing MIX of genes. Do you not see the digference? There is no autonomous entity identified as “nature” making rational decisions. Thats cross breeding, and the results are a hybrid of genes…….

We have artifacts of virtually EVERY event in history, to empirically PROVED it happened. There are NO. NADA. ZIP. ZILCH. ZERO clear skeletons of a species that was half ape half man. There should be MILLIONS! Believing such an ubstansiated theory requires more “faith” than believing in God.

I never intended this thread to be about theism or athiesm, but OK lets go there: there is no God? Where did: space, matter, and time come from? Sinply pushing the question one step further back, yet claiming all of this harmonic universal symphony was a cosmic FART, rather than intelligent design, is insane to me.

If our planet was ANY closer to the sun we would burn. ANY further away we would freeze. Look at all of the mechanisms our bodies have to deal with everything. Cosmic fart my ass. “Faith” is required in either camp of the argument. The deciding factor is what is more plausible.

Believe what you wish.

Resident cynic.

[QcummerParticipant 652]

I was just replying to your topic in my own way. I don’t want to debate anyone on or offline…it’s pointless to me. I can’t even explain existence for f~~~s sake. As for you telling me to, “Believe what you wish”…Don’t tell me what to do!!! gnight.

[BurgundyParticipant 1525]

Religions are nothing more than glorified cults and sects, just how I see it, as any one high up in the ranks of religion, acted like how politicians acts today, double think.

 

Any way on topic.

When we are young, boys wants to f~~~ anything that’s got a hole in it to become a man, while girls want some sort of fairy tale wedding with a prince and all kinds of retarded s~~~.

 

When adults, women wants to ride the c~~~ carousel, before hitting the wall and eat a man’s soul, while men start realizing how much/fast their dick can bring them in trouble.

[Anonymous 12]

Back to the intended topic. I remember all the women I have had sex with it is 17 and no need to divide that, I am 41 and lost my virginity at 17 so I don’t think it is a rather high number at all. The second part of the question, I have turned women down, not always when they are naked and ready to go but often when they have looked at me in bars and out in public etc and I just didn’t pursue it, at first because I was young and terrified and as I got older because I couldn’t be bothered. The last one being a few months ago, I told a woman that her coat was really awesome which I meant and she started to chat with me, she was cute and much younger but I just couldn’t be bothered so when she arrived at her destination she gave me that “Aren’t you going to ask me out” look and I just bye.

 

 

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Over 600 at this point… stopped counting a long time ago. I was a sound engineer… four to six shows a week for ten years. Pulled down a lot of action being the only sober dude left in a bar when the staff was ready to get off.

Confidence is a nice thing to have but did I get it from having so much sex or was it the other way around? At this point I catch about ten new females a year so I’ve slowed down… gotten more picky… still haven’t gotten tired of it yet.

[davParticipant 422]

I f~~~ing hate it when some chick that had a great body you used to f~~~ in your 20s, gets in touch with you 15-20 years later via internet and has morphed into a post-wall land whale.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

dav wrote:

I f~~~ing hate it when some chick that had a great body you used to f~~~ in your 20s, gets in touch with you 15-20 years later via internet and has morphed into a post-wall land whale.

Oh it doesn’t take that long. It’s amazing how much weight a woman can pack on in just a few short years.

And when this happens I don’t get angry, even if they’ve also filled out into a total bitch. The bitchier they are the more I laugh at them.

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