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The greatest threat to my MGTOW-life is the pregnancy of a woman. Most people here say “use condoms” just I hate those in a steady relationship and also, the rip on me every once in a while. Whenever I get with a girl, I tell her precisely this: “The decision for a child will have to be made by both of us. If you make it on your own, then you will be on your own with that child”. Up to now this has worked really well. None of the women I have been with, did get pregnant, even though quite a few would have liked to.
I am very conscient of the fact, that a woman who has a child is way less attractive to other men. Also I let them know that I will quit all my work so I can’t pay child support. I specialized on being self sufficient. So I already need little money to get by.
But what I am really looking forward to is Vasogel. Developments are being done these years, and supposely it shall come to the market in 2017. I really hope that it will. For now I’m even staying away from women, because I am waiting for this cantraceptive to come. It will be a shift in power between men and women.
How do you guys handle this problem?
The greatest threat to my MGTOW-life is the pregnancy of a woman. Most people here say “use condoms” just I hate those in a steady relationship and also, the rip on me every once in a while. Whenever I get with a girl, I tell her precisely this: “The decision for a child will have to be made by both of us. If you make it on your own, then you will be on your own with that child”. Up to now this has worked really well. None of the women I have been with, did get pregnant, even though quite a few would have liked to.
I am very conscient of the fact, that a woman who has a child is way less attractive to other men. Also I let them know that I will quit all my work so I can’t pay child support. I specialized on being self sufficient. So I already need little money to get by.
But what I am really looking forward to is Vasogel. Developments are being done these years, and supposely it shall come to the market in 2017. I really hope that it will. For now I’m even staying away from women, because I am waiting for this cantraceptive to come. It will be a shift in power between men and women.
How do you guys handle this problem?
Don’t EVER trust a woman re children …. NO MATTER what they say or agree with.
The law will wipe the floor with your ‘deals’
The simple fact is DON’T F~~~ THEM and they can’t get pregnant.
Get the snip or wait for pill …. but women will still try and trap you.
Thats exactly how I feel. Thats why I wait for that male contraciptive product. It just gets me mad, that they postponed it for so long. Instead of taking the bullets out of our guns, they make women wear bullet proof wests. Jut – It sucks when they take em off without telling us.
It’s called Vasalgel, not Vasogel as I wrote. http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/
I hope and pray for it to come. Was thinking about getting a vasectomy too. But I learned that there are unpleasant side effects.
Condoms are NOT 100% effective. There is a real chance that couples who rely only on condoms will get an unwanted pregnancy, and this does not include spermjacking. One of my public health courses included this fact: 15% of couples who rely on male condoms for one year get pregnant.
Pregnancy roulette — place your bets and take your chances.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
But what I am really looking forward to is Vasogel. Developments are being done these years, and supposely it shall come to the market in 2017.
I wouldn’t count on it. There is a LOT of resistance to male birth control from women and especially the feminist quarter (because hypocrites) and I don’t see that changing any time soon, because they know as soon as it hits the market it’s Game Over for their “Tender Years” child support scam.
The only thing that’s going to apply the right kind of pressure to getting Vasalgel on the market are young men permanently switching themselves off with vasectomies, because Women will see Vasalgel as a less permanent stumbling block to their schemes. Fortunately young men are getting the snip in staggeringly record numbers, but I don’t know if it’s enough.
Was thinking about getting a vasectomy too. But I learned that there are unpleasant side effects.
Ask yourself who is telling you about those unpleasant side effects. Also ask a few men who have had one about their experience getting the snip.
Even if you’re a 20-something right now, Vasalgel or no Vasalgel, the laws are not going to change soon enough that having children will ever be a viable option for you. Right now all men get is the bill, children are nothing but a huge liability for men, and that isn’t going to change any time soon. It will take decades for men to have any chance of ever having their own children again, and that’s only AFTER something like Vasalgel becomes standard.
So why not just get snipped and be done with it? Just don’t tell anyone and continue using condoms. Condoms help prevent STDs that Vasectomies and Vasalgel won’t, and using one gives laydeez with the baby rabies the idea you are still viable as a walking wallet for them via child support. Used condoms are also a useful place for storing any extra habanero sauce you might have before tossing them in her bathroom wastebasket.
The greatest threat to my MGTOW-life is the pregnancy of a woman. Most people here say “use condoms” just I hate those in a steady relationship and also, the rip on me every once in a while. Whenever I get with a girl, I tell her precisely this: “The decision for a child will have to be made by both of us. If you make it on your own, then you will be on your own with that child”. Up to now this has worked really well. None of the women I have been with, did get pregnant, even though quite a few would have liked to.
This sounds all fine and dandy; however, if she did choose to keep the child without your “consent”, you wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. She has the full support of the state in her decision. She would have the baby and you’d be ordered to pay CS for at least the next 18 years (another 4 if the child goes to college).
I am very conscient of the fact, that a woman who has a child is way less attractive to other men. Also I let them know that I will quit all my work so I can’t pay child support. I specialized on being self sufficient. So I already need little money to get by.
The state will simply impute your income. If you’re not aware of this concept, look it up. In a nutshell, if a CS payor is intentionally reducing income in order to reduce or eliminate CS payments, then his income, for the purposes of determining the monthly CS amount, will be imputed to what he was capable of earning. And don’t think for one second that the state would give you a fair shake in this assessment.
Once you’re in arrears, the state will garnish whatever they can from you. You could also end up in jail. I don’t know about you, but that’s not the type of life I’m willing to live.
But what I am really looking forward to is Vasogel. Developments are being done these years, and supposely it shall come to the market in 2017. I really hope that it will. For now I’m even staying away from women, because I am waiting for this cantraceptive to come. It will be a shift in power between men and women. How do you guys handle this problem?
This all makes sense. I agree that an effective male contraceptive is key to men controlling their own destiny.
How do I handle the problem? I got a vasectomy. I have no side effects.
Huevon. All of things said so far are accurate.
Don’t forget that one day you might meet a woman that will listen to your standard
“The decision for a child will have to be made by both of us. If you make it on your own, then you will be on your own with that child”
Then make the decision that you can be ‘changed’ (AKA domesticated), because in each and every man there is a daddy (AKA ATM) waiting to get out.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
How do you guys handle this problem?
Vasectomy (don’t tell her)
How do you guys handle this problem?
Vasectomy (don’t tell her)
There is some validity to this. If you want to have a relationship (read: regular sex) with a woman, but don’t want all the s~~~ that goes along with it, then you have to lie to her.
If you flat out say that you don’t want kids, you never want to live together, never want to get married…essentially go against what women are wired to be, you’ll have a hard time getting them to spread their legs.
You have to lie and make them think they are in control. Put their game right back on them. Tell them that you are opened to kids even though you had a vasectomy (which she won’t know) and that you want to progress naturally towards a long term committed relationship.
This is not conducive to a long term relationship with kids and/or marriage, but how many MGTOWs have that as an end goal?
Oops wrong thread.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
Does anyone have any links or info on women or whomever trying to stop Vasalgel from coming on the market?
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
I am 41 and divorced with two children. I have been single for nearly 2 years and I have gone from blue pill to red pill in that time. When I was married and blue pill I thought that no woman would trick a man into getting her pregnant, but now I realise it happens all the time.
The women I have been seeing have been between the ages of 31 and 43 and this is a very bad age range to be having sex with. Firstly you have the women in their early 30s who are just starting to hit the wall and want to trap a decent guy with a good job by getting pregnant. Then you have the women in their late 30s who have left it to the last minute and now have severe baby rabies. They know time is rapidly running out for them and they will do anything to get a baby. They will justify sperm jacking to themselves as they will convince themselves that once she is pregnant the guy will realise it is what he wanted all along.
Most of the women I have met through POF and Tinder will have sex with you on a first date. Well over half of these women will either say they cannot get pregnant or will not ask you to wear a condom. Do you really trust some woman you only met that night to really be taking the pill or be telling the truth about being infertile?. Don’t forget most of these women have pretty tragic lives with a low paid job and have come to the realisation that they were lied to and a rich Brad Pitt lookalike is not going to be coming along to save them. If they get pregnant they can give up the low paid job they hate and live off you and benefits for the next 18 years.
As has already been said, Birthcontrol is the last real power women hold. The marriage rate is dropping year on year and more and more men have realised what a poor deal it is for them and want no part of it. Women can still trap a man by getting pregnant, but if men can control their own birthcontrol it means they can no longer be trapped.
Personally, I think the only option for me now is to get a vasectomy as the thought of getting a woman I don’t care about pregnant at my age is terrifying.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
Good post Won’tGetFooledAgain.
If you’re considering a vasectomy, I would highly recommend it. I did it four years ago and I have zero regrets. My ex said she didn’t want kids, but I wasn’t taking any chances with relying on her to take contraception, so I got the snip on my own accord. Looking back on what a miserable c~~~ she was, I would be royally f~~~ed and miserable right now if she had “accidentally” gotten pregnant. I pray to the vasectomy gods every night!
Does anyone have any links or info on women or whomever trying to stop Vasalgel from coming on the market?
I’d be interested in reading the arguments too. Anyone have any links?
Good post Won’tGetFooledAgain. If you’re considering a vasectomy, I would highly recommend it. I did it four years ago and I have zero regrets. My ex said she didn’t want kids, but I wasn’t taking any chances with relying on her to take contraception, so I got the snip on my own accord. Looking back on what a miserable c~~~ she was, I would be royally f~~~ed and miserable right now if she had “accidentally” gotten pregnant. I pray to the vasectomy gods every night!
I am seriously considering it as there is no way in hell I want to go back to the marriage and kids lifestyle. I now have this MGTOW lifestyle of doing what the hell I want, when I want and getting a woman pregnant would totally destroy this. I am a bit of a control freak now about my life and it scares the hell out of me letting a woman control contraception and whether I am going to be a father again.
I must admit I am terrified of the procedure but then I am even more terrified of what could happen if I don’t get it done.
Plus getting a Vasectomy must be the ultimate MGTOW thing to do as it means you can f~~~ who you like with no risk of them every trapping you.
For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
I must admit I am terrified of the procedure but then I am even more terrified of what could happen if I don’t get it done.
Don’t be. It’s pretty straight forward. My procedure took less than 15 mins. Some guys think that a giant needle will be injected into their testicles, but that’s not true. During my procedure, the testicles weren’t touched. The doctor cut a small incision at the base of the penis/top of scrotum, used a hook tool to expose the vas deferens, which were cut, burned and clamped, and put back in. The incision was then glued. The anesthetic needles were a bit uncomfortable (as they always are), but nothing to freak out about. Once the anesthetic kicked in (a matter of seconds), I didn’t feel a thing.
Anonymous0I must admit I am terrified of the procedure but then I am even more terrified of what could happen if I don’t get it done.
Don’t be. It’s pretty straight forward. My procedure took less than 15 mins. Some guys think that a giant needle will be injected into their testicles, but that’s not true. During my procedure, the testicles weren’t touched. The doctor cut a small incision at the base of the penis/top of scrotum, used a hook tool to expose the vas deferens, which were cut, burned and clamped, and put back in. The incision was then glued. The anesthetic needles were a bit uncomfortable (as they always are), but nothing to freak out about.
I got a vasectomy 30 years ago. No problems, no side effects. As Wolf said, it’s quick and easy. They dope you up a bit so that you’ll need someone to drive you home afterward. But you’re awake through it and you can just put on headphones and read a book. Won’t even know it’s happening if you don’t watch.
They dope you up a bit so that you’ll need someone to drive you home afterward.
They dope you up……… A BIT??
If Im going to get my sack sliced open over a serious decision such as that, I expect to be knocked out COMPLETELY and awoken the following day when the hairdresser shows. This isn’t a f~~~ing eye correction here. And I want to be surrounded by all my close friends who drove into the city to throw me an “I’m not having a baby” shower of gifts….. like the Bellini baby basket.
My vasectomy will be a VERY big deal with balloons and everything.
The kind of OFF THE CHART celebratory bash a woman would want for spreading her legs and being injected with semen.I’ll be registered at Tiffany’s.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.It’s a lot harder keeping the vasectomy appointment a secret from your girlfriend than the procedure itself. And you WANT to keep it a secret.
The kind of OFF THE CHART celebratory bash a woman would want for spreading her legs and being injected with semen.
You get that celebration when the first chick afterwards tells you: “I’m pregnant, and you’re the father.” That building sense of extreme satisfaction you get before you drop the hammer on her gold digging head is indescribable.
mine hurt like hell. Guess the Novocaine did not work properly .
Anonymous0mine hurt like hell. Guess the Novocaine did not work properly .
During the procedure itself, I didn’t feel any pain. I just felt the doc occasionally tugging or pulling at something down there. I told the doc to numb it good. Since it’s a local, they should be able to give you as much anesthetic as you need.
For a day or two afterward I was sore. I think I just took some some ibuprofen or something and put a bag of frozen peas down there to reduce the swelling.
They dope you up……… A BIT??
If Im going to get my sack sliced open over a serious decision such as that, I expect to be knocked out COMPLETELY and awoken the following day when the hairdresser shows. This isn’t a f~~~ing eye correction here. And I want to be surrounded by all my close friends who drove into the city to throw me an “I’m not having a baby” shower of gifts….. like the Bellini baby basket.
My vasectomy will be a VERY big deal with balloons and everything.
The kind of OFF THE CHART celebratory bash a woman would want for spreading her legs and being injected with semen.I’ll be registered at Tiffany’s.
Lol. Nothing wrong with making a party of it. In fact, I think it’s a great idea. I suppose it could be looked at as some kind of MGTOW threshold or rite of passage or something.
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