Beware of female counsellors – the importance of (non-blue pill) Male mentors

[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

I thought I would write this as a general overview of my thoughts/experiences of female counsellors.

In my twenties/thirties I was into health, fitness and self development I improved myself and my life. I did well financially. I was blue pill back then and so I thought “okay next step now I must find a woman”. Around 2001 I was in relationship that was really messed up. I was kinda messed up after it (it was typical of the stories you might read here). I decided to seek some counselling.

That ex despite being very beautiful was nuts, unstable, seemingly intelligent but at the same irrational, not to be trusted. I didn’t want to go through all that ever again so the advice I wanted was how to ensure I would never be in that situation ever again. The counsellor was an older woman and she helped me to put things in perspective.

BUT one of the main things I remember was the woman counsellor saying to me was that “to attract a wonderful woman you have to become a wonderful man”. The flaw in this advice is that it implies that a man has to live his life trying to attract a woman. The other flaw was that it implied there was something wrong with me or missing in me – in hindsight now years later I can see there was really nothing much wrong with me back then at all ! aside that is from my blue pill conditioning which this counsellor certainly was incapable of addressing as she was a woman!

So after that I got myself together again and continued with my self development even more .. I really enjoyed self development / being the best I could be. I experimented with and used many tools such as self hypnosis, NLP, meditation – I didn’t give a f~~~ what it was I just wanted to be the best I could be.

I did weight training, martial arts, yoga, I climbed huge mountains, I reached a very high level of strength, fitness and wellbeing. In later years I discovered the benefits of a more spiritual life. I became highly successful/prolific in my chosen professional area. I had some GFs but they all had traits I didn’t like. Eventually a woman that seemed to be a very high quality woman became very attracted to me – but of course that relationship also was a disaster she turned out to be a crazy narc c~~~ in many way similar to the woman I had years previously. In fact she was a chameleon. She had seemed to be not like the previous woman but she wasn’t ! she was essentially the same !

I was messed up after that relationship too and I ended up seeing a counsellor/psychologist who also happened to be a female. It seemed to me her advice although helpful was flawed/distorted through a female lens/not getting to the heart of the matter – it wasn’t really helping ‘me as a man’ – what I really needed was direction from a strong male mentor who had been through what I had been through so I sought the advice of a wise male friend who gave me the correct advice straight up no nonsense.

I have also received no nonsense great advice here at MGTOW.com and I thank/salute those men. This place is fantastic ! A no c~~~s allowed zone NCAZ. A place where men can be men.

So what are some lessons that it took me years to learn?

1. AWALT ! All women are like that.

2. Improve yourself for yourself NOT for a woman. Meet your goals for yourself (and for God if you are spiritual) but don’t do it ‘for a woman’.

3. Both of the female counsellors helped me but their advice was through the female lens so however helpful it may seem it can never be the best advice for a man as it is coming from a female perspective/ though a female filter – she probably does this unconsciously. Imho the female counsellor advice is actually taking you further from where you need to be – for me I think that is to be a man that develops and acts on his own manstincts more (a word I have learned here at MGTOW.com) and when needed can consult with male mentors.

4. MGTOW.com has a wealth of important information and is a great facility for men.

5. Pandering to the irrational emotional female sex is nonsense. Blue pill simps in marriage today are in a cul de sac – dont get married ! Even strong men suffer from their nagging c~~~ wifes after they get married – DTB.

6. I will never get married in this gynocentrism – however for those getting married the natural order would/should be for the woman to have children and submit to the mans greater strength and intelligence – the man in return protects the women and the kids within that hierarchy as the man is the head of the family.

7. In society women have been conditioned by feminism not to submit to the greater intelligence and strength of the man therefore this gynocentric pussified society is being pulled on a crazy unsustainable path where ‘feelings’ are prioritised over facts. It will therefore fail as bitches cant do f~~~ all without men. Society can’t run on pussy juice. Men do all the real work of production in this world…. agriculture, energy, technology, buildings, engineering, science, maintaining virtually everything. A MGTOW man has everything he needs.

MGTOW is awesome. I wish all MGTOW here continued success for 2018 !

Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Christopher wrote:

I thought I would write this as a general overview of my thoughts/experiences of female counsellors.

In my twenties/thirties I was into health, fitness and self development I improved myself and my life. I did well financially. I was blue pill back then and so I thought “okay next step now I must find a woman”. Around 2001 I was in relationship that was really messed up. I was kinda messed up after it (it was typical of the stories you might read here). I decided to seek some counselling.

That ex despite being very beautiful was nuts, unstable, seemingly intelligent but at the same irrational, not to be trusted. I didn’t want to go through all that ever again so the advice I wanted was how to ensure I would never be in that situation ever again. The counsellor was an older woman and she helped me to put things in perspective.

BUT one of the main things I remember was the woman counsellor saying to me was that “to attract a wonderful woman you have to become a wonderful man”. The flaw in this advice is that it implies that a man has to live his life trying to attract a woman. The other flaw was that it implied there was something wrong with me or missing in me – in hindsight now years later I can see there was really nothing much wrong with me back then at all ! aside that is from my blue pill conditioning which this counsellor certainly was incapable of addressing as she was a woman!

So after that I got myself together again and continued with my self development even more .. I really enjoyed self development / being the best I could be. I experimented with and used many tools such as self hypnosis, NLP, meditation – I didn’t give a f~~~ what it was I just wanted to be the best I could be.

I did weight training, martial arts, yoga, I climbed huge mountains, I reached a very high level of strength, fitness and wellbeing. In later years I discovered the benefits of a more spiritual life. I became highly successful/prolific in my chosen professional area. I had some GFs but they all had traits I didn’t like. Eventually a woman that seemed to be a very high quality woman became very attracted to me – but of course that relationship also was a disaster she turned out to be a crazy narc c~~~ in many way similar to the woman I had years previously. In fact she was a chameleon. She had seemed to be not like the previous woman but she wasn’t ! she was essentially the same !

I was messed up after that relationship too and I ended up seeing a counsellor/psychologist who also happened to be a female. It seemed to me her advice although helpful was flawed/distorted through a female lens/not getting to the heart of the matter – it wasn’t really helping ‘me as a man’ – what I really needed was direction from a strong male mentor who had been through what I had been through so I sought the advice of a wise male friend who gave me the correct advice straight up no nonsense.

I have also received no nonsense great advice here at MGTOW.com and I thank/salute those men. This place is fantastic ! A no c~~~s allowed zone NCAZ. A place where men can be men.

So what are some lessons that it took me years to learn?

1. AWALT ! All women are like that.

2. Improve yourself for yourself NOT for a woman. Meet your goals for yourself (and for God if you are spiritual) but don’t do it ‘for a woman’.

3. Both of the female counsellors helped me but their advice was through the female lens so however helpful it may seem it can never be the best advice for a man as it is coming from a female perspective/ though a female filter – she probably does this unconsciously. Imho the female counsellor advice is actually taking you further from where you need to be – for me I think that is to be a man that develops and acts on his own manstincts more (a word I have learned here at MGTOW.com) and when needed can consult with male mentors.

4. MGTOW.com has a wealth of important information and is a great facility for men.

5. Pandering to the irrational emotional female sex is nonsense. Blue pill simps in marriage today are in a cul de sac – dont get married ! Even strong men suffer from their nagging c~~~ wifes after they get married – DTB.

6. I will never get married in this gynocentrism – however for those getting married the natural order would/should be for the woman to have children and submit to the mans greater strength and intelligence – the man in return protects the women and the kids within that hierarchy as the man is the head of the family.

7. In society women have been conditioned by feminism not to submit to the greater intelligence and strength of the man therefore this gynocentric pussified society is being pulled on a crazy unsustainable path where ‘feelings’ are prioritised over facts. It will therefore fail as bitches cant do f~~~ all without men. Society can’t run on pussy juice. Men do all the real work of production in this world…. agriculture, energy, technology, buildings, engineering, science, maintaining virtually everything. A MGTOW man has everything he needs.

MGTOW is awesome. I wish all MGTOW here continued success for 2018 !

Because they need you to think there is something wrong with you so you keep going back for more counselling.

All the time she was messing with your mind to make you feel inadequate and convince you more that you needed a lot of help from her.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

It’sallbs wrote:

Because they need you to think there is something wrong with you so you keep going back for more counselling.

True. Yep I stopped quickly it was nonsense. I got better advice from my mate while I was out hiking !

Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready

[Branched offParticipant 11111]

I think in a gynocentric universe people tend to see things through a gynocentric lens. It is hard to get the clear picture until something has wrenched you out of your place in the world. One has to have one’s worls shattered by excesses of the gynocentric world in order to be freed from its hold on your mind.

I think male counsellors for men is a really good idea. In my youth two successful old men were kind enough to take me under their wing and even now years later in life I still feel their unselfish love. I only wish I had spent more time learning from them. I had trouble seeing why they wanted to be kind to a gloomy and sometimes angry youth. I even feared one of them was a homosexual and tried to keep my distance from him at first but in fact they only wanted to help. They both told me “Pay it forward, help some other young man when you are in my place one day”. I hope I manage to do this when the time comes. Men can be very generous and selfless and can really help and support other men. For a young man who needs advice to see this side of manhood in a man he also looks up to as strong is very nurturing.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

From experience I found never to take life changing advice from females as when they give it they look at life through the female lens never considering what a male needs.

Woman logic: “My dear husband you want to move to a new town because the pay is $500,000 more then the current one you will be going to? S~~~ I have to think about that because the location is not ideal and I love to be in New York! After all we just got married and everything you do is now attached to WE must do this.”

Don’t believe me? Take a look at this and the only good thing on that video is that the woman is asking a man for advice even though it is blue pill advice it was still decent compared to what she would have come up with which is nothing good.

[AwakenedParticipant 35262]

I can say that I would NEVER get counseling from a Women or Blue Pill Mangina.

I have at least one friend that’s pretty Damn Red. He just does’t wear the labels, and besides that when I need an opinion; I have all you Men to Keep Me Thinking Straight.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 54]

Simple.
Would you rather a woman show you the way
Or A Man show you the way.

Witch will have your best interest at heart.

[jimbob15217Participant 491]

Getting life advice from a woman is a trap I have fallen into pre-MGTOW. That smaller mistake was part of the greater mistake of believing that a life issue could be significant and gender-neutral or that the genders worked together to bring out the best of each other. Of course that was a lot of hopeful on my part. In retrospect it’s foolish for a man to look to a woman to further masculine values and interests.

[Remove me!Participant]

Yep, I was lucky enough to have a great MALE counselor before, during, and after my divorce. He helped me be a better man. He passed away from ALS in 2015, but I’m glad I had him when I did.

Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10964]

Whether they are counselors or not, NEVER take advice about anything from a woman. You’d have better results shaking up a magic 8 ball and asking it questions.

She's not looking for love. She's looking for someone to finance the lifestyle that SHE thinks SHE deserves.

[Anonymous 12]

Beware of counselors in general. They are all Leftard minded which means anti male, pro cuck and woman.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Never underestimate women as they often spend their whole lives learning how to manipulate men.

Taking advice from a woman is in essence allowing her to manipulate you for her own purposes.

Woman: “To attract a wonderful woman, you have to become a wonderful man.”

In other words, you are not good enough as you are. You have to remake yourself into something that fits the criteria of some snowflake.

I would tell her: “I am wonderful the way I am.
If you want to stay here, shut-up, make me lunch, and play Hoover.

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

Mr. Spock wrote:

Whether they are counselors or not, NEVER take advice about anything from a woman. You’d have better results shaking up a magic 8 ball and asking it questions.

You could take advice from them, then do the opposite 😉

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

jimbob15217 wrote:

Getting life advice from a woman is a trap I have fallen into pre-MGTOW.

Getting life advice from most men is exactly the same as getting it from women. Most people are so blue pilled.

Funny enough my wife and I went to three different marriage counselors while we were trying to “save the marriage”. She ended up walking out of the first two at some point (they were both women). Somehow our sessions always ended up with my wife feeling she was being picked on. Apparently that didn’t register with her or ding a bell in her head at all. Our third therapist was a man. I eventually ended that because I couldn’t afford to keep paying $165 per hour for something I knew wasn’t serving a purpose for us (I still think there can be value in therapy-just not for me). Funny enough I think I saw a copy of Say Goodbye to Crazy by Paul Elam on his bookshelf. That was the therapist she didn’t walk out of.

Take it from someone who hung on too long lurkers, don’t go to therapy. Spend your time with a lawyer planning your escape from the marriage. I did not have it as bad as many men on this forum and yet if I had left 5 years sooner (or 10 or 20) I would have been so much better off.
Don’t go to therapy, plan your divorce. GET OUT!

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[Anonymous 0]

Well, it seems to me that it could be used as a form of intel gathering, which brings you general idea of what should be avoided at all costs.
IMO it’s the only significant reason why this question could be asked to a woman.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 25019]

The only reason my second wife wanted to go to marriage counseling was to prove to court that she had tried prior to her leaving me, which was her plan.

I had cleverly divined her plan and went to exactly two sessions. After the second she fought with me so hard in the car that I jumped out while it was still moving. When she tried to explain this to the judge all I said was, “Where are the hospital records if I jumped out of a moving car”. It wasn’t moving fast but I did jump out while it was moving.

Best to escape conflict than to let it escalate.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

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