Beta Male Wimps

[peterfaParticipant 833]

The Federalist reports a story where a man was being stabbed while others watched. They just watched. Then they said they did the right thing, watching. They weren’t sorry for what they did, but they did suffer a bit of survivors guilt.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/behold-the-beta-males-who-feel-good-about-watching-a-man-die/

The interesting things is the author calls them Beta Males. They didn’t do anything. They just sat there, being their Betas. I agree. Beta males aren’t much. They live for comfort, they are slaves to the labia. They’re too afraid to do anything. They’re selfish, authentically selfish. All they think about is themselves, which is how they become slaves. After all, isn’t slavery just accepting of the comfort that comes with it?

These worthless scum watch and do nothing. Just how typical is that?

Even the Bible talks about this kind of man. Generally speaking he’s classed as a sinner or a simpleton. The Bible doesn’t have a special term for sinful man, or a simple man, it doesn’t gender discriminate like that. It talks about the simpleton who lives for comfort and will cheat and lie to do so.

Instead you should be wise, look out for the truth (red pill), and live a life. That or just be a little slave and live a mediocre, pathetic life.

[RoyDalParticipant]

peterfa wrote:

These worthless scum watch and do nothing. Just how typical is that?

It’s very common. Chimpanzee betas do the same thing. They watch the alpha beat the tar out of some low status other. If they step up, the bully might turn on them, and they don’t want that.

Say, how did the Nazis and the Stalinists get and keep power? Same thing writ large.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

Disgusting, this is one of a few reasons why I do martial arts as one of my hobbies and would strongly suggest that any MGTOW give serious thought to doing so themselves. So many of today’s “me” generation are cowards like this lot who will not get involved that you cannot rely on any support if you were ever to find yourself in a similar situation.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

BritGHOW wrote:

Disgusting, this is one of a few reasons why I do martial arts as one of my hobbies and would strongly suggest that any MGTOW give serious thought to doing so themselves. So many of today’s “me” generation are cowards like this lot who will not get involved that you cannot rely on any support if you were ever to find yourself in a similar situation.

I wan to learn Aikido.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

In the presence of a group, one sees one’s obligation to act as partial, if at all. This leads to no one acting.

One in a position to act, such as a concealed carrier, are likely hesitant to do so because if one misfired, or even if one did not kill the assailant, one would face ruinous legal fees should a district attorney decide to make an example of him.

[Elgos_GrimParticipant 254]

There is a reason I tend to carry an extedable baton…

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Now, we must all fear evil men. But, there is another kind of evil which we must fear most … and that is the indifference of good men!

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[BloodyNineParticipant 87]

This happened in my neck of the woods. I very rarely ride the DC Metro because it is expensive, sucks overall, and is not exactly safe. I can’t even count how many times some young idiot gets hammered and passes out on the Metro system only to wake up hours later completely robbed of everything he had on him. Metro security only stands by the gates to ensure everyone pays and there are no free riders. I keep my head on the swivel in general but that train of thought is only magnified when the circumstances happen to where I am navigating the DC Metro system.

In all fairness to the Beta’s however, the guy was holding a knife, and not many people are willing to jump on an armed criminal if they are unarmed.

But I think this is just a microcosm of what happens today in general. The new generation of spoiled brats would rather get their phones out and record something for YouTube or Worldstar as opposed to doing the right thing and helping someone who is getting pummeled.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

and that is the indifference of good men!

No such thing as an indifferent good man. You have one or the other but not both.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5126]

Wow.  I have never had Martial Arts training.  But by the time I was 15yo I knew how to how to do a come from behind locked double arm choke-out.  From behind he would have to be very lucky to harm me with swings of his knife, and he would be knocked out within seconds.  I learned this technique from breaking up fights at parties, putting one forearm around the front of the neck and one behind then grabbing opposite arm with respective hands; and just let your weight take them down by letting your body go a little limp behind him, the more he struggles the more oxygen he loses.  I am an average sized guy at 5’10” and 160 lbs, but I have taken down guys 4″ taller and 50 lbs more than me (too many fights at keg parties!) – one guy that was closer to my size was down on the floor afterward choking so hard that I thought I crushed his windpipe.

If there is a gun, or more than one assailant, then there isn’t much you can do but step back.  But taking down a guy with a shank, is easily done from behind.

If this had happened in the Deep South or Mid West, the story would have went much different.

Sovereignty above all else.

[Anonymous 3]

Wait wait wait wait.

Why SHOULD I risk my own body and life to help someone else in society?

A society that as a male has made it abundantly clear for decades that I have NO VALUE, that MASCULINITY is shameful and claims I am a criminal just for existing?

Society has told me again and again and again and again that I am on my own and “nobody owes you anything.”

Hey guess what, it’s true, I’m a nobody, and I owe YOU nothing.

No, I am NOT going to get involved, risk injury, then get dragged through the court system and get forced to pay high medical care bills on top of that. The assailant would probably sue me in court if I did stop him, and meanwhile society would just go through with it and drag me right through it.

It’s not like I’m allowed to carry a knife myself. Apparently only criminals are allowed to hold weapons. I’m not going to fight a man with a knife with just my fists, that is idiocy.

In short, I disagree with all of you in this thread insisting men must run around being some sort of tragic superhero, mocked and scorned by society at every turn but right there to do heroic deeds protecting the populace.

Absolute nonsense. Meanwhile if a man sits down and there is a woman he should get up, or if he sits with his legs apart more than the fematrix will allow him to he is arrested (while women take up multiple seats with their purses and bags or just outright lie down).

NO.

I am embarrassed and ashamed that the people I thought were my fellow MGTOW brothers are using shaming language and demanding men act.

You know what? To all of you, I say why don’t you marry a skank and MAN Up? You are being SELFISH for going your own way. You weak virgin losers!!!

What is the difference between that shaming and what you guys just did right now? Does insulting other men on the internet really make you feel that much better about your own lives?

Now to clarify, obviously I don’t want to shame you guys for not getting married and being a slave of the system, but I hope you read that and understand that what you’re doing is no better, and that you are classified as betas by wider society the way that writer is trying to classify more men as betas under the same type of entitlement and justifications (obviously he is not referring to the women that did nothing). To me it is shameful and hypocritical that so-called MGTOWs are trying to shame other men that are minding their own business. To demand other men act the way you want them for the good of society shows a complete failure to understand the very idea and principle of MGTOW.

We can NOT bail society out for the mess it has made. There is a quid pro quo for selfless masculine behavior. It should only be provided in a society that values males to begin with. Society needs to collapse before it can be rebuilt, don’t save it now, all you are doing is keeping the status quo going if you insulate society from its bad decisions.

[Elgos_GrimParticipant 254]

<small>What is the difference between that shaming and what you guys just did right now? Does insulting other men on the internet really make you feel that much better about your own lives?</small>

I don’t know about anyone else, but I, personally, couldn’t live with myself if I watched a guy get stabbed to death and stood idly by, simply as not to risk personal injury – unless it were obvious to me that I couldn’t do anything about it (for instance if the guy looked like he could benchpress a volkswagen or he had an actuall combat knife). But from I can tell, the guy was about 5’4” and pretty slender, as well as being armed with a small folding knife.

In my case (I tend to carry an extendable baton around and I know how to use it) I would have attempted to intervene, as the odds would have been stacked in my favour. I would, however, not stick around for the police to arrive.

<small>There is a quid pro quo for selfless masculine behavior. It should only be provided in a society that values males to begin with. Society needs to collapse before it can be rebuilt, don’t save it now, all you are doing is keeping the status quo going if you insulate society from its bad decisions.</small>

I really don’t like this argument, but what if you were the guy getting mugged, stabbed and kerbstomped in a subway car and nobody chose to help? Just because you’re GYOW doesn’t mean you have to discard empathy.

<small>To demand other men act the way you want them for the good of society shows a complete failure to understand the very idea and principle of MGTOW.</small>

Again, I only speak for myself, but to me this isn’t about doing anything for the ‘good of society’ but about stopping a man from beeing killed while one had the potential to intervene. I can only say how I would act in a situation like this one, and I don’t care to impose on others how they should have acted.

But the way I see it: saving one man does not amount to supporting a system, toward the creation of wich he had no influence and the actions of wich he can not control.

[sidecarParticipant 35859]

Elgos_Grim wrote:

I, personally, couldn’t live with myself if I watched a guy get stabbed to death and stood idly by, simply as not to risk personal injury

There is a lot more to it than just the risk of personal injury. You are opening yourself up to some truly horrifying legal risks as well, both civil and criminal.

unless it were obvious to me that I couldn’t do anything about it

And if you can do something about it the legal risks are even more severe. Say you are carrying a firearm and so can easily “do something about it” with the absolute minimal risk to your own person. Even in states that don’t violate your right to keep and bear arms you would be volunteering yourself up as a sacrificial political football and worse. You can expect a criminal proceeding, definitely a civil one, thousand upon thousands in legal costs, being labeled a “vigilante”, hate mail, death threats, and on and on and on.

It’s not worth it. Take a picture of the assailant with your phone and call the police. You are not your brother’s keeper. If you really want to help, work on empowering your brothers to keep themselves.

[Elgos_GrimParticipant 254]

<small>It’s not worth it. Take a picture of the assailant with your phone and call the police. You are not your brother’s keeper. If you really want to help, work on empowering your brothers to keep themselves.</small>

I know you’re right, its just a tad depressing that that’s how it works.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

It’s a matter of why. These men are simply cowards. Just because you decide to look at the situation and say, “No, the consequences and risk are too much,” isn’t the same as saying, “Let that idiot die instead of me.” These are the same men who watch all the hero movies and dream of themselves, those who believe we should fight for freedom, and those who expect you to do it instead of them. Then they’ll say it was their idea.

Strategy is not evidence here. Just because you foresee the consequences and decide on them, doesn’t mean it’s the same. You look at yourself, admit to yourself as you assess, and then you accept. It’s not the same as picking your nose about it.

Anyways, it’s because people won’t stand up to evil like this that our nation has fallen into such dire straights. We’re now scared to talk about what truly hurts us. A bunch of whiny cry-babies will p~~~ and moan over a shirt, or p~~~ and moan over an off color comment and suddenly careers are destroyed, games are cancelled, movies are remade, and grown men on their days of glory cry.

Can you really f~~~ing believe that? A man landed a f~~~ing probe on a f~~~ing astroid, and then he’s harassed because some t~~~ decided his shirt was patriarchy that he should thus be lynched. That’s like saying, “No matter what you do, we’ll never love you.” How humiliating. I can’t bring myself to even feel for him.

Instead we should accept the pain of reality and realize our lives is only so secure. Anyone of us could suddenly drop dead from a stray bullet or a stroke. There’s no hope in life preservation but only courage. Audacity is refuge, and exposure is safety. Failing to act to help out someone is exactly how so many men were damaged anyways. Nobody helps them, nobody cares. They’re all thinking to themselves about how a woman approves of them should they keep hacking at their salt mines. In a way, they’re already dead.

That doesn’t mean that walking away is not OK. It’s an assessment and if you do it, that makes it OK because your conscious will witness it, but if you are wrong, then you’ll suffer your consciousness reckoning. That will improve you. Just don’t make that decision for the wimps who pick their nose, but use courage to chose, what is it that is wiser? To walk because you realize you’re only supporting a system (and it’s wrath), or to help a stranger? Certainly, don’t do this by turning your head away and pretending it didn’t happen. That’s wimpy.

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