Being the best person you can….

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Over the last few weeks I have been listening to a lot of social commentary on the plight of young men and the one common theme in all of it is the claim that young men today have no positive role models and so many of them go through life without ever hearing a word of encouragement or even hear an average male appreciated in any positive light. Instead they are inundated with the never ending cacophony of men being useless buffoons who are more sex crazed maniacs.

Now at the crux of the MGTOW philosophy is the idea that a man should strive to be the best possible person that he can strive to be. This is a key idea for a lot of younger men and mostly men who are new to MGTOW to grasp. Simply saying f~~~ you to the female gender is not going your own way. Neither is spending every waking hour obsessing over women and societies treatment of men. It is a pointless exercise that will not benefit you in anyway. Female behavior and societies ambivalence towards male suffering and issues isn’t going to change. You might as well go out there and complain about gravity for all the good it will do. But this is where striving to be the best person you can be comes in to play.

See the tradcon will always tell you that a woman in your life is going to drive you towards greatness. I don’t buy that hogwash. But I do believe that men who get married or have a woman (and particularly want to keep her around) develop a sense of responsibility. While we can all agree that it’s a suckers bet, that responsibility is something we as men need to strive for regardless of whether or not there is pussy involved. BE THE BEST PERSON YOU CAN. F~~~ societies claim that you are useless. You don’t owe them anything. But you do owe yourself to be the best person you can be.

So in closing my brothers, f~~~ the world, f~~~ societies opinion of you – the only opinion you need to ever be concerned about is the opinion of the face you staring back at you in the mirror. Don’t do things for pussy or social acceptance – do it for you, for your happiness, for your contentment and for your peace of mind – do that and I guarantee that you will go far and go your own way.

[Anonymous 6]

“Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself.” – Rumi

[Anonymous 42]

foghornleghorn wrote:

But I do believe that men who get married or have a woman (and particularly want to keep her around) develop a sense of responsibility.

Bulls~~~! They develop a nasty drinking habit escaping the ill effects of a life sucking bitch!

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Anonymous wrote:

foghornleghorn wrote:

But I do believe that men who get married or have a woman (and particularly want to keep her around) develop a sense of responsibility.

Bulls~~~! They develop a nasty drinking habit escaping the the ill effects of a life sucking bitch!

Over time yes. I’m talking about the start of those relationships. The drinking only comes once you have been ground down by the garbage of the big house with the white picket fences and the two and a half kids who hate your guts and the wife who stays home, does nothing but still cannot be bothered to have a hot meal waiting for you when you get home.

[The Black ScorpionParticipant 2146]

And the ironic thing is, the more you focus on yourself and achieving your goals in all aspects of your life, the better it is for the society that you want no part of.

The guy who focuses on his health and fitness will have no need for the governments health care system.

The guy who is focused on financial achievement will have no need for welfare, unemployment or other hand outs.

The guy who is focused on his happiness and piece of mind will have no need to get involved in other peoples bulls~~~ soap operas and life dramas.

The pro active MGTOW man is basically one less useless, blood sucking leech that is collectively bringing society down.

The greatest tragedy in life is to spend your whole life fishing only to discover that it was not fish you were after. - Henry David Thoreau

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

foghornleghorn wrote:

See the tradcon will always tell you that a woman in your life is going to drive you towards greatness

Nah, women will only come in your life when AFTER you achieve greatness, or is her best options.

If you fall, or she found a better option the woman will exit your life.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[KaidoParticipant 2395]

I used to care… But not anymore. Best choice I made.

What people call "love" is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. It hits hard, then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. Your parents are gonna do it. Break the cycle. Rise above. Focus on science.

[Anonymous 18]

foghornleghorn wrote:

BE THE BEST PERSON YOU CAN.

foghornleghorn wrote:

f~~~ the world, f~~~ societies opinion of you

Best. Better. Good.

MGTOW = Being good at being a man
MGTOW = Being better than men that seek identity through validation in those less capable of objectively deciphering reality- women.

But MGTOW can’t allow a man to be at his best. It will not work in a blue pill society.

One’s drive and ambitions are tied in to the system’s metrics of success and failure.

A man going his own way can be at his best but his output can not be measured using tools designed for benefit of women and children.

There is a blind spot in your assessment.

When you achieve ‘best’ (define it how you may) sooner or later the absence of positive reinforcement (if you are truly in a NFG/monk mode) will start gnawing at you.

When you are best version of you – you are attractive. For men and women.

Carnal rule: Women f~~~ men other women are f~~~ing, and other men want to be like.

I have thus far come to conclusion that a man can be best at mastering his biological urges, minimizing his social validation stemming from his utility, and finally, developing meaning and embracing solitude.

Stoicism is in the end is what being best one can achieve.

Unfortunately, it didn’t end so well for men like Tesla and Nietzsche.

You start travelling into the abyss of meaninglessness once you start discarding pillars of meaning because red pill shows the farce they are.

It sounds very nice, but be the best in the name of being at your best, can be a very lonely path.

[Happy Humble HermitParticipant 28]

I fully agree. The energy you saved from leaving the plantation should be redirected to something worthwhile of your choosing. A man’s quest ends when he is dead.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Be the best person you can be? WHY?

Be the best person for yourself, do not take for even one minute other people’s need into consideration.

Don’t give a f~~~ about anything.

Do your job and do it the best you can, why?

Becouse is beneficial to you.

If you are a doctor try to be a good doctor, If you torture puppies for a living make those little s~~~ go through hell.

You don’t have any obligation to be anything except what you want to be.

F~~~ everything

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Carnage wrote:

F~~~ everything

You do have a way with words 🙂

[PhilandryParticipant 538]

When you achieve ‘best’ (define it how you may) sooner or later the absence of positive reinforcement (if you are truly in a NFG/monk mode) will start gnawing at you.

I don’t understand this.
My self esteem comes from the inside and is reinforced by daily successes.
The successes don’t have to be big or world changing, just pleasing to yourself.
For instance; yesterday I developed a new way to use cardboard milk cartons to reinforce the duct tape flights I use on my old, discardable arrows. It is simple, cheap and works extremely well. I am still enjoying the achievement.
This is positive reinforcement.

A life is made up of little positives.

Being a man is incredible good luck. Do not waste it on the unlucky.

[RASmanParticipant 1994]

If we subscribe to the thesis that MGTOW is highly individualistic, then wanting all MGTOWs to aspire to self actualization as MGTOW role models that negate the assertion that all MGTOWs are losers living in their parents’ basement is mute. It could be interpreted that without women to guide them, men degenerate into that type of loser. I think each man owes himself the opportunity to develop his God given gifts; physically, intellectually and spiritually, for no one but himself.

But whether he’s in the basement or a high-rise office, MGTOW still is a MGTOW as long as he rejects the gynocentric system that aims to cripple if not outright destroy men.

[QuellParticipant 2538]

A man who is wholeheartedly responsible for someone else (job, wife, family) is also beholden to their every whim. He in essence is a slave with the penalty for leaving being very grave.

The best life is one where you accumulate no debts.

[Anonymous 18]

Philandry wrote:

When you achieve ‘best’ (define it how you may) sooner or later the absence of positive reinforcement (if you are truly in a NFG/monk mode) will start gnawing at you.
I don’t understand this.
My self esteem comes from the inside and is reinforced by daily successes.

I think for most of humanity there is a desire to be praised/appreciated if you are putting in your best effort. Especially one that takes away your time for other meaningful things. And more so if it is a difficult task.

Nothing feels more de-motivating than working hard and going unnoticed.

What you mention, however, is skills and ways to have a improved quality of life by doing what one enjoys doing.

Striving to be the best version is a painstaking task.

[sjt1975Participant 2536]

Anonymous wrote:

foghornleghorn wrote:

But I do believe that men who get married or have a woman (and particularly want to keep her around) develop a sense of responsibility.

Bulls~~~! They develop a nasty drinking habit, escaping the ill-effects of a life-sucking bitch!

This was the only part of the OP that I also did not agree with. Modern women only seem to bring misery in to a man’s life, in the final analysis.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

your not going to be a much better person wearing a ball and chain on the plantation. period, exclamation mark.If being there happiest slave on the plantation is the better you will settle for go for it.

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

shovelheadrider wrote:

your not going to be a much better person wearing a ball and chain on the plantation. period, exclamation mark.If being there happiest slave on the plantation is the better you will settle for go for it.

Who said anything about wearing a ball and chain? Is there some f~~~ing requirement where walking away from women and no marrying or cohabitation with a woman somehow means that you cannot lead a meaningful or fulfilling life?

[Anonymous 38]

I believe as men we’re happiest when we’re at our best. Note OUR best, not the gynocentric best as defined by wimmins/society.

Be careful you aren’t living according to someone else’s ideal. I did this for too long. Looking back I can see everything I planned and did traced back to someone else’s expectation. Life is so much better now that is gone. Work out what your best is. That might be going monk, dating, supporting others, or being in complete solitude. The key is that it should be genuine and free from contrivance. If you aren’t happy and content with how you’re living, something’s wrong. All men are different and we shouldn’t say this or that is best for everyone.

Although never marry.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

Good advice!

foghornleghorn wrote:

See the tradcon will always tell you that a woman in your life is going to drive you towards greatness.

She will nag you towards an early grave with demands for a better lifestyle. You’ll be working overtime to pay for her shopping sprees, and then she’ll nag you about not being home to “work” on your relationship.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

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