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Hermit’s thread about his son makes me want to ask you guys something I’ve been meaning to ask for a long time on here.
I’m in my mid-30s, don’t have any kids. I love kids, I do quite a bit of work with kids in my business, of all sorts of ages from about 7 through teenagers up to young adults, and I enjoy it enormously. I also love spending time with various kids of my friends and in my extended family. I think I’ve largely kicked the blue pill programming, but I do often find myself thinking how much I’d like to be a dad–and then I pinch myself because I think that is part of the blue pill programming all over again. (My ex hated children with a burning passion–Lady Macbeth had nothing on her–so I dodged the children bullet with her.)
There are two questions I want to ask you guys:
– For those of you who are dads, are you glad that you had children? I wouldn’t ever expect anyone to say “I wish I didn’t have my kids”, but do you feel it was part of your blue-pill programming to have kids and that, if you had your time all over again, you would not have done so? Or do you think all the stress you had with their mothers was ultimately worth it to be a dad?
– And those of you who aren’t dads, what are your thoughts about it? Do you ever feel a craving to be a dad, and if so, how do you feel about that?I’ve tried to analyse this feeling I sometimes have of wanting to be a dad. It doesn’t feel rational, it feels like this really intense desire just to take care of someone, or something, and I know that it’s linked to the blue-pill bit of my brain that wanted to look after a woman. Then again, I don’t think it’s quite the same either. I find it hard to understand it. Some of the stories which you guys have posted on here about being dads has also made me feel there’s something terrific and admirable about it, but at the same time I see how children is the absolute classic way to enslave men.
Anyway, I don’t plan on abandoning monk mode any time soon. I have sometimes toyed with the idea of adoption or fostering, but I also think realistically that I love monk solitude life too much. I’ll probably just keep enjoying the “fun uncle” role.
There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.
The desire is instinctive and once you become a father, you feel that even more. My kid is nearly 29, but he has been aloof for years. But that is his doing more than his mothers.
It’s a commitment which in some ways is anathema to MGTOW. That is, in order to become a parent in some way you tie yourself to both a female and of course, the child. My advice would be unless you absolutely feel you must become a parent to feel fulfilled- do not. The laws, at least in the US, are just not at all favorable to men. You may luck out and have a supportive and reasonably fair ex like I did, but it’s the exception.
And those of you who aren’t dads, what are your thoughts about it? Do you ever feel a craving to be a dad, and if so, how do you feel about that?
No.
I have only to reflect on the cesspit that is Western society to still any thoughts in that direction.
The desire is instinctive and once you become a father, you feel that even more. My kid is nearly 29, but he has been aloof for years. But that is his doing more than his mothers.
It’s a commitment which in some ways is anathema to MGTOW. That is, in order to become a parent in some way you tie yourself to both a female and of course, the child. My advice would be unless you absolutely feel you must become a parent to feel fulfilled- do not. The laws, at least in the US, are just not at all favorable to men. You may luck out and have a supportive and reasonably fair ex like I did, but it’s the exception.Good advice man, thanks. Makes a lot of sense. I’m in the UK so the laws are pretty dreadful here too. I’m sorry to hear about your son.
And those of you who aren’t dads, what are your thoughts about it? Do you ever feel a craving to be a dad, and if so, how do you feel about that?
No.
I have only to reflect on the cesspit that is Western society to still any thoughts in that direction.This is a very good point too. Actually it often makes me pretty depressed to see these kids and think what kind of world they’re growing up in, and how even more f~~~ed up it’s going to be in 50 years time.
There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.
Vasectomy for the win!
I’m in my mid-30s, don’t have any kids.
As a man, you can’t have kids.
They are her kids. They are the village’s kids. They are the state’s kids.
They are never your kids.
All you get is the bill.
That’s definitely still yours.
I have sometimes toyed with the idea of adoption or fostering,
Don’t. Consider how awful a woman has to be for the state to step in and terminate her “tender years” motherhood rights.
Do you really want to take responsibility for that woman’s mess?
That is, in order to become a parent in some way you tie yourself to both a female and of course, the child.
And you chain yourself to the family courts. They’re part of the whole s~~~ show. You left that part out.
It’s more than just that the laws are against you. The laws and courts are specifically designed to f~~~ you and force you into paying child support (from which they receive a handsome cut, as well as lucrative federal reimbursements).
A good father is a tremendous achievement. Especially, in this day and age where the system makes it difficult from all angles for a man to adopt the traditional role of a father figure and leader of the household. Those men who can accomplish the task without falling victim to the onslaught of attacks from feminism, courts, school systems, and in general public view towards the male gender, have my sincere admiration.
Most times, whenever I am contemplating an important decision such as that related to career or life that has long term ramification in my well being, I do a cost analysis. Not just in terms of monentary value, but in the benefits and drawbacks of that decision. In my opinion, the negatives of having children outweigh the benefits. That’s not to say, that those who are fathers now have made the wrong decision. But, to risk your sanity, your freedom, independence and sovernity, just to fulfill your biological need to procreate, is foolish. But, it’s an individualized decision and who am I to tell you what you should do.
Just be prepared to face the worse case scenario: that the woman you procreate with will make your life miserable, alienate your from your child, use the law and courts against you and your freedom, and expose your child to a number of other male figures who may not so lovingly treat your son/daughter.
The best case scenario that allows for optimal development of your child and allow you to lead a “happy” life is that you and the woman get along, can live together in a harmonious manner, and raise a child that eventually becomes a productive member of this society. But, really in today’s world, what are the chances of that?
God bless peace and freedom.
I’m 36, never married, never will have a wife and kids and I love it that way. With the money I’m saving I have more time to make myself happy and get the things I desire.
Personally I think having a kid is too much a commitment; money, diaper changing (EWW), you have to watch over them, you have to worry about what they’re doing, you have to deal with screaming, crying, whining, they want everything. They’re just an expensive pain in the ass and I want nothing to do with them! I hate women and kids! I love what my money is doing for me and my free time.
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Anonymous3Lets just say, when you dont have kids you think you are missing out on something, but when you have kids you realize that you weren’t.
For those of you who are dads, are you glad that you had children? I wouldn’t ever expect anyone to say “I wish I didn’t have my kids”,
WHY wouldn’t you expect a man to say, “I wish I didn’t have kids” ???
Does it sound too cold or what ??
Personally, I wish that I NEVER got married, and by default then I would NOT have any kids, and I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
Just because they have been born and I’m still raising them and shall continue to do so, and I may add that I have good relationships with them as well doesn’t mean that I still wish that I had them.
A Parasitical Woman USES kids as just another tool to keep a Man subservient provider.
If I could do it over again, I WOULDN’T HAVE DONE ANY OF IT !!!!!
Ya want another TRUTH BOMB, as they mature and become Adults, I want to keep in touch with them as little as possible if at all.
I am NOT paying for colleges that I can’t afford, and I’m not paying for weddings which I have NO DESIRE to attend.
I’m NOT into playing Grampy, or ANYTHING ELSE.
I’ve HAD ENOUGH !!!!!
If the TRUTH sounds TOO COLD, SO BE IT !!!!
Hey THIS is just ME, if you want to go out and get a bunch of kids and be dad of the year, HAVE AT IT !!!!!
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I hate kids.
They have no place in my life.
I don’t want to look at them, talk to them or even be around them. They are revolting creatures.
The greatest tragedy in life is to spend your whole life fishing only to discover that it was not fish you were after. - Henry David Thoreau
I wouldn’t ever expect anyone to say “I wish I didn’t have my kids”
The happiest days of my life were when my daughters were born. I loved being a father.
My advice is to never have children. As above, they are not yours. A man does not have children. They belong to her, and the hive has shown them the way to brutally sever them from their father, all for narcissistic supply, cash and prizes.
Don’t
Just don’tGet a dog if you something to hug.
I hate kids.
They have no place in my life.
I don’t want to look at them, talk to them or even be around them. They are revolting creatures.+1
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Anonymous3As far as becoming a father goes, it’s not so much about whether or not you’re going to regret the decision. From what I can gather here, the vast majority of fathers still value their children over it all, even the ones who ended up with much lesser quality of life or had their lives utterly destroyed by the system.
Becoming a father will change you completely. You become no longer an individual, no longer ONE person. You will love your children, and you will be manipulated in ways that you never even thought were possible, by this love. Your children are like an extension of you, your flesh, your soul… a part of you that roams your reality however it pleases, that you have zero physical or mental control over.
I know you’ll do everything in your power to ensure they grow up to be the best people possible, but every time they step out of your door, they’re going to be bombarded by everything that you do not stand for in this world, now tell me how much confidence do you really have? It’ll be a constant tug of war, between you and your beliefs, the hypergamous feminine mother, the blue pill society, and the children’s own innate character and inner demons. It really doesn’t leave any room for you yourself, and the contentment and equilibrium that you experience in a true MGTOW lifestyle. Guilt, worries, stress, uncertainty, chaos, all these negative emotions will once again, take precedence. Life will once again turn into this roller coaster ride of high points and low points, drifting between happiness and unhappiness.
To me, I just can’t bother anymore. I’m trying to remove as many unnecessary emotional and material responsibilities as possible, not take on more. Contentment over excitement.
Before I read your post I was thinking about parents and their thought processes. I remember sitting in Church and the preacher Was discussing how few people will enter the kingdom of heaven and I looked around and wondered why so many were having children when it was more than likely most would be entering into torment if you believe in that sort of thing, would it not be more merciful to not have children? I don’t want to deviate from the original post but my thoughts still persist and the farther I go into understanding human nature is the programming is so strong to procreate just like the blue pill programming towards women that we ignore the risk. My thoughts may be way off base on this because at the same time I admire how some people are remarkable parents especially when their children have special needs and how they are carry on and in some ways is the purest form of love.
I don’t have children and at my age(44) I never plan on it, that desire did out long ago.
"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."
CUM THEFT IS REAL . Had a chick who went on how i make nice kids . She was hot as f~~~ . I use to wonder why she would yell for queen and country when i f~~~ed her .
3 months pregnant and like a rat out of an aqua duck . Back to the uk .
I don’t f~~~ anymore and am not sexually arroused anymore . Woman are like a great white . Nice to look at dangerous to swim with .
Funny as
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Lets just say, when you dont have kids you think you are missing out on something, but when you have kids you realize that you weren’t.
Its the grass is greener fallacy. Everyone wants what they dont have because they THINK its better than what they currently have. But since they dont have it, they have a unrealistic image of how great what they dont have, is. They hyper fixate on positives and ignore and dont know about the negatives.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
I’ll be turning 30 by the end of the week, and I’ve never once entertained the desire to have children. All I have to do is look around to reinforce my decision. In my opinion, far too many things have to go just right for them to grow up to be decent people and not hate your guts. Not saying it’s not possible, but it’s just slightly more feasible than finding a unicorn NAWALT.
EDIT: Also they’re a huge time and money sink, and for what? The off chance they’ll take care of you when you’re too old to do it yourself? Good luck with that.
I, Lelouch Vi Britannia, command you, all of you, to Go Your Own Way!!
Adopted mine with the marriage. She is 19 know and makes me regret it. There were good years then bad years
Overall I wouldn’t do it again.No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.
Anonymous3Lets just say, when you dont have kids you think you are missing out on something, but when you have kids you realize that you weren’t.
Its the grass is greener fallacy. Everyone wants what they dont have because they THINK its better than what they currently have. But since they dont have it, they have a unrealistic image of how great what they dont have, is. They hyper fixate on positives and ignore and dont know about the negatives.
Spot on.
And everyone fixates on the negatives of what they currently have while dismissing and taking for granted the positives. As weird as it sounds, the best my marriage did for me was to show me the value of what I had lost by marrying.
I was a single father for my son’s entire life from when he was 9 months old. His mother was incapacitated with “post partum…I don’t want a baby” depression. So I raised him by myself from 9 months till three years when his mom was found to be ok and she got 50/50 because that’s the ethic I was raised with. Equality of the sexes. If I wanted to be a parent I had to do the work.
And when she moved he made my life miserable, I was considering a military school. Then, he called the police on me and made up a story. As it didn’t happen no charges were lodged and he moved down to his mom. I didn’t speak to him for 3 years. We got together once a year for another two years. I haven’t seen him in the last two years.
I will not go to his graduation, wedding, children. He will not come to my funeral.
I regret wasting my life taking care of her son. Children belong to their mother. Women don’t even want go acknowledge that turning a child against his parent is child abuse (parental alienation syndrome).
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
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