Beauty vs. Money

[JinParticipant 77]

I went out to meet two old school friends of mine whom I have known for over a decade. It was a girl and a guy.  I am the life of the conversation (not trying to brag.) I am introducing interesting topics and keeping the conversation going, otherwise it would just be awkward silence. Anyways they also talk, but I do notice that the girl pays more attention to the guy and smiles more at him.

I’m not the best looking guy, I would probably rate myself average or little bit below (not self conscious, just trying to be real). But the guy apparently to most girls in my school is considered a “10” and really good looking. It was just annoying because I was trying to establish her as “The Boat” (Read about this in Doc Fenderson’s article) and the guy was making it difficult for me to get her attention.

Anyways, meeting my two old friends was a fun time. It wasn’t nothing much, but it just sparked an idea.

 

What if I was a “10” would she have treated me differently?

Beauty over money?

Is beauty good for short-term, and money long-term?

How has your guys “beauty” played a role in your relationships. Do you think it would’ve went smoother if you were more attractive?

 

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

[a bananaParticipant 288]

most mgtow dont give a f~~~ about getting a woman’s attention

having said that the order is

money>status>looks

if you  really care about getting women, perhaps mgtow is not for you, id recommend pua, but the chances are u’ll return later

when you realise how little a woman’s attention is worth.

[JinParticipant 77]

not sure if I’m getting advice from a misogynist or mgtow

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Let me rephrase it then in a different way. What he means is learn to value yourself and have an honest perspective of women. Beauty really is only skin deep. If you worship women and expect to find your personal worth through them, you’re damaging yourself and being a parasite on them. Instead, work on yourself, focus on yourself. If a good woman comes along, great.

I am not fond of PUA because I see that as just sleazy. It’s also destroying your self-respect over something that will never give personal validation or value. In my belief system, sex is a component of a relationship and it must be treated carefully. The PUAs only go for gratification with no concern for consequences. I don’t believe in hurting women at all. PUA hurts both women and oneself.

A lot of MGTOWs are definitely angry at women, but they have a right to be. An adult has a right to be angry even if his reasoning is bad, or even if that anger is pathological. That’s the freedom adults have and we all should respect this. It’s OK for a man to deal with his anger or hatred with women, and here we are a community that deals with going one’s own way. Maybe it’s anger driven, maybe it’s cost-analysis driven, but the point is that’s this community and it’s about living for yourself.

In the end, engaging one’s anger or hatred is the only way to heal. Denying it or suppressing it with silly societal rules, expectation or narratives is not wise, healthy or right. That’s wrong and abusive.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Jin wrote:

How has your guys “beauty” played a role in your relationships. Do you think it would’ve went smoother if you were more attractive?

No.

“Looks” don’t make a difference as much as this does.

/audio/how-to-treat-women/

I don’t wish to use myself as an example here (unless you ask or it’s relevant) but in this case I should mention I am 6’2″ tall and generally “advantaged” in the looks department. I can think of no example where I believe “looks” play a role as significantly as that audio clip.

As carefully explained in the above link, it is the difference between whether or not sex will happen.

You can be a good looking perfect model and a total f~~~ing WUSSBAG, and no woman would f~~~ in a million years.
Or you can look like George from Seinfeld and be a lord of the dance.

I have seen women end up sleeping with THE LAST MAN ON EARTH she “said” she would ever have sex with.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

See, if I have to be a jerk to a woman to keep her, then why would I want her?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

peterfa wrote:

See, if I have to be a jerk to a woman to keep her, then why would I want her?

I absolutely agree with that. You can’t respect a creature like that. When I hear a woman say “my boyfriends are all jerks who treated me like s~~~” I just point and laugh at her. Because she consciously stepped over good guys to spread her legs for them.

Only pointed out what I believe is more true than the misconception that “looks matter” for men.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BONEParticipant 448]

Looks don’t matter at all, some people even say I look like Chris Brown (just to give you an idea) but guess what? I’m sexually inexperienced (“Virgin” is a female word, only women are virgins), wanna know why? because I’m a nice guy, women don’t f~~~ “nice guys”, My first initial conversation with any women has always sent my ass straight to friendzone hell…never knew why, I thought “be yourself” was all you had to do? Yeah right that’s if you wanna get thrown in the bullpen. They love assholes, they f~~~ assholes…the thing is, acting like an asshole just to get some pussy drains to much of my energy…I’ve never spent more than maybe 10 bucks on a female, no wonder I don’t get no pussy lol.

[narwhalParticipant]

To answer the question, no.  Can’t say being more attractive would have ever improved my odds.  That said, dressing better, displaying more confidence by how I sit/stand/etc that would help, but that’not because it increases my looks, but because it gives the appearance of money or potential earning potential.  I’m 6’3″ and yes women like that so they can wear heels, but it’s also because it looks like leadership.  I tend to get the most attention when I’m seen with another woman.

Really, like most things, you can answer your question by following the money.  How much money is spent on women’s beauty products vs men?  How many women make a living, how much do they make, primarily based on looks?  How many men do, and how much do they make off of it?

Ok. Then do it.

[Schaefe89Participant 163]

I can say with near certainty that the majority of womens success in the workplace comes from their looks. Again this proves that the only value in women are their looks as more and more men move away from commitments with these animals

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