Bait and Switch

[RobertParticipant 18]

How many of you have looked at the pictures, and then met the woman only to find her to be completely different? This technique is very tricky from a psychological stand point. I spent some time thinking about it. Here’s what I’ve come up with.

First they show you old pictures. These pictures were from a time in their life before all of the crisps and mac n’ cheese.

Next, they mirror you and your beliefs, talk you up real good. That way you match up with all of these “dimensions of compatibility” and s~~~.

Then, when you meet them you’re faced with a dilemma. For me this dilemma has vanished because I have broken through the moral nut of this. See they want you to think that having preferences is “shallow” I’m not f~~~ing fat. That avatar is a current picture of me. So how could it possibly be shallow to want a woman who is at least a size 12 or under? It’s not. Moving forward I demand this of any woman who wishes to partake in little Rob’s company.

After you confront this they go into all the mind games of how the number on the scale doesn’t equate to their value as a person. Then in the next breath she’s complaining that I don’t wanna have sex with her. It’s interesting how they can reconcile the two things. It comes down to abstracting the weight away from the obesity. The earth’s gravitational pull has nothing to do with having t~~~ on your back and a belly that hangs over your snatch, honey. I can’t say that else we go into the realm of name calling. That still doesn’t remove the truth from it. She could weigh 400 pounds but if she was built nicely I wouldn’t notice. The weight is irrelevant. That is the technique though. She told me I need to stop chasing an “ideal”. In reality, she’s the only woman anywhere near her size that I’ve attempted to f~~~. Moped. Sigh….

Then we have to add in “fat shaming”. Somehow in this politically correct bulls~~~ time we live, this has become bad. How the f~~~ is it bad to point out to someone that when their heart is coated in 5 pounds of fat that it taxes their circulatory system? The extra weight creates all sorts of health problems, it’s taxing on your back, the bad food choices that lead to the obesity also bring on adult onset diabetes. It all comes back to making good choices for yourself: self f~~~ing respect. If a woman doesn’t respect herself, how the f~~~ can she respect me or anyone, for that matter?

Then from there they transition into the anorexic chick looking in the mirror, see herself as being fat, when in reality she is dangerously underweight. Apples and oranges in my opinion. What about all the super heroes and comic book guys being all crazy buff? They all look like they’re on steroids. That’s not attainable either for most. You just have to have the sense to realize that and live your life for you.

What it boils down to is that she needs a guy who likes fat chicks, a chubby chaser if you will. As soon as she admits that happiness and a life full of crisps and sex will ensue. 😉

[MurveParticipant 21]

I hear you on this one brother. However, although I prefer healthy females, I actually also like fat girls because they are more willing in the bedroom. But they are so quick to disqualify themselves to the idea of having sex because they have such a low self esteem. To me a vagina is a vagina, it’s better than masturbating so I don’t really care what surrounds a vagina when it comes to sex as long as she wants sex with me and doesn’t treat it like she’s doing me a “favour”.

I’d never start a relationship with a woman who had only her vagina to offer me and I keep my distance when we’re not near a bed. It’s not shallow, it’s just that she’s never taken the time to develop herself as a person or even try to really understand what the world is about or step out of her messed up reality. I don’t feel like getting to know her world because I would probably be entering a world of insecurity, shame and despair and I am not a therapist. And if I was, I wouldn’t do that s~~~ for free..

I’ll never be a slave to attractive women again, there’s plenty more vagina without having to jump through hoops to get it and there are always prostitutes if fat chicks don’t do it for you. They are cheaper in the short run.

[EDIT] For me, fat chicks have to have a pretty face and filthy mind or the deal is off..

[RobertParticipant 18]

I guess the largeness isn’t my biggest problem. It’s the lies. She said all this stuff that over time vaporized. For instance, she supports feminism even though the laws that are designed to screw the man over were turned on her by her ex husband. She refuses to admit that this outcome came to her as a direct result of feminism. There’s so much more…. I might have been able to handle one thing, but there was a huge list.

She moved in. I offered because she had a problem with the room she was renting. The landlord wasn’t paying the mortgage and about to be kicked out. We were getting along so well so it seemed ok at the time. I knew she came with a cat. Later on her ex kicked her daughter out. I let her daughter move in. Then, after a few months she let’s her daughter get a cat. I found out by seeing the cat in the upstairs window. She never even consulted me. I can go on. 😉

Once you give them a few bucks they expect it.They become entitled to your money after that. She was no different. Whenever I had something I need to talk to her about that i didn’t like, she’d storm off and instead of having a discussion. I don’t have time for this s~~~ was the line I think…..

[IggyThundersParticipant 246]

Yeah. The weight thing is a huge turn off. Especially when they just straight up lie about it! I dont mind healthy/full figured looking chicks myself. Think Christina Hendricks from Mad Men or Anna Nicole Smith in her prime. Hell, think any chick out of any Russ Meyer film! Even if they didnt have big t~~~ big gals can still look hot as Hell. That being said, I really hate how the word “Curvy” has been totally hijacked by women. ‘Im not fat. Im curvy’. Riiight. In one of my old profiles I specifically wrote “Curvy does not equal round! Curvy does not equal obese!” You should have seen some of the hate mail I got for that one. It was a riot. My favorite one was an email and excuse I got from one particular moo cow who accused me of fat shaming. “Many people are obese because they cant afford wholesome foods or are uneducated.” Bulls~~~ and more bulls~~~! If you are so f~~~ing stupid that as a full grown adult you cant figure out what is fattening and unhealthy then you shouldnt even be able to form a cogent sentence, let alone figure out how to operate a computer. And the affordability argument is so lame to anyone whith a modicum of grey matter and logic it doesnt even warrant a response. The flipside of this is all the broads who turn food into a political and philosophical statement. Mostly for the benefit of their circle of friends. Everything is a competition with these types to see who can be the most tolerant, caring, enlightened, nonjudgmental and all around Christlike figure amongst their peers. This is why women getting the vote has been a disaster for the country. For the most part they vote strictly on emotion. Reason and logic means that there will always be winners and losers. And to women, this is intolerable. But I am now digressing into a whole other kettle of fish.

[MurveParticipant 21]

Rob, that sounds like a f~~~ed up state of affairs. The way I see it is that women expect a man to care for them, especially when they have children. They claim looking after a child is so difficult and they can’t get a job. Feminism strikes again. Most recent ex-wives are more likely to gain the kids after a divorce, even if many of which, are ill equipped to properly look after them or can not afford to.

So ex-wives are getting the kids and using the excuse that they can’t get a job to look after them, therefore relying on men to look after them. Not to mention child support, even when a man can’t get access to his children. So feminism places the power in the woman’s hands and the responsibility in the man’s hands and women believe this is their right.

I’m deviating here.. If a man calls another man fat, it’s called honesty or a joke. If a man calls a woman fat, he’s called a chauvinist.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

@murve Why don’t you just date cougars? There are skinny hot looking cougars.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[MurveParticipant 21]

Yea that’s a good idea! I’m actually off to Germany to spend a week getting a cheap holiday with a 43 year old “cougar”, well an older woman with a career, intelligence and still looking pretty good. I don’t know if she constitutes for a cougar but I’ll take anything to be honest haha!

[Cap285Participant 6007]

That’s the only way they can get dates. I’ve pulled up to dates and kept on driving.

This especially sucks at my age. Most women wear two tons of make-up and adamantium re-enforced undergarments to make themselves look presentable.

I’ve seen some train wrecks when the clothes come off.

Fuck this planet.

[johnconnor777Participant 1]

We all have been there… one suggestion I learnt, is to always text her a couple recent photos of her from her cellphone in return, or do a mini facetime/skype chat…. if she gives you a lot of excuses like “I don’t take a lot of photos”, “I don’t like to show myself online”, etc… run! Most women love taking pictures of themselves and they have a million, if they don’t want to send you one more and all their photos are from the neck up, you know you are going to meet up a fatty.

[liventhedreamParticipant 42]

I agree, its not being fat that’s the problem. Its the blatant lying about something so obvious, and the sense of entitlement or delusion that goes along with that lie.

I’ve seen this effect in full force on EH, when they are seriously trying to get a LTR or marriage. Aerial photos are very popular, along  with shots where they strike a pose facially at an angle with their cheeks sucked in.

I recently met one girl that pulled this, she was pretty much the opposite of everything she listed once we met. Even after several phone conversations up too the meet it was like night and day. She listed herself as non-smoker, never married, patient, caring, intellectual and into physical activities. Her pics showed the obvious trick shots but where so good they still hid the proverbial tip of the fat iceberg. Sucked in cheeks, face only shots, and one areal photo (wearing a black outfit) to obscure the weight.

When we met though, she was probably twice my weight, smoked like a chimney, admitted to being divorced, and did not have a patient temperament. Its as if these women list who they want to be as opposed to who they actually are….wait that’s exactly what there doing. She also ate like a pig.

And that’s what kills it for most women, they have almost lost all capacity to be honest and real about who they are and what there expectations should be. Its like they think once they get you into a date, then you will have to over look the weight for fear of being labeled  an asshole (they couldn’t possibly think they will loose all the weight the few days before they meet you….can they?).

Again, its not a question really of weight, its the blatant obvious lying. Like we should just deal with it because “women just lie I guess, derpy derp, thanks for choosing me honey!”.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Bait and switch is the ultimate misrepresentation and I am sick of it. Look at the way they lie about their age. If she’s lying about that, what else is she lying about? They pull off this air of superiority crap, and they won’t tell you their age or weight when you ask. Frauds.

“How much do you weigh?” is one of the first questions now. Even dating sites leave this important thing off. Why? Height and weight are THE FIRST specs about a human. Men put their height down, so women should put their weight down. I remember not even reading the profile anymore. If her pictures were decent, I would send 5 words: “How much do you weigh” and watch the responses roll in.

Useful question on your every day life when women are bitches, too.
They get set self conscious in the spot.

You can turn a complete c~~~ into insecure cry baby in just a few seconds.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ngghowParticipant 6]

I once made a point of asking a woman if her pictures were current (I was dubious as she looked overweight) and I got the answer “No, and I’ve tanked up since then.” which may prove a point about the bait and switch thing, and we didn’t end up meeting but I swear I saw her walking down the high street a few months later and she was actually much smaller than her picture, and I’d have definately made more effort had I known so I call s~~~ test on that one. That actually gives me the idea of making a point in the future of asking height, weight and if the pictures are current and if she’s at all caught bulls~~~ting or misrepresenting herself then call her out, put her in the s~~~can and move on, I’ll just have to remind myself.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Although I’m not attracted to overweight women, I have been lied to by a really beautiful (ex wife) one. Given the choice, I’d take the overweight honest one. An overweight woman can go on a diet, but in my experience, once a woman has successfully lied and benefitted from it, there’s no way back. I’ll agree with the other posts here who’ve pointed out that it’s not the weight, but the LIE about the weight that creates an insurmountable problem.

If a girl lies about something that she knows very well I’m going to soon discover the truth about anyway, what does this indicate about her thinking? To me, it’s an indication that she lied because she believed there was some short term benefit to her (before my inevitable discovery of the truth) that would not be outweighed by the longer term consequences to her of lying to me. So at minimum, she believes that she is immune from accountability…not exactly an attractive quality to announce about herself right from the beginning.

Although this alone indicates she doesn’t respect me enough to believe I have the right to the truth about things that directly affect me, and puts me off from ever trusting her about anything else, the lie from a woman indicates something else that almost never gets addressed in the open. It’s that lack of basic respect for me that the lie is based on. If a woman lies about something that she thinks I may never find out about, and takes measures to cover so that I won’t, then at the very least, she’s showing some concern about what my reaction might be. I read somewhere recently that anger is about the only emotion men show because it’s about the only male emotion that is respected. All the other moral and legal consequences for injuring a man have been removed. But the anger of an individual man about something that’s been done to him personally, is the last potential consequence remaining. It’s most difficult to predict and so the toughest to control or eliminate. A woman who lies about something and tries to cover it is at least showing some respect for the anger that might result if I find out.

But, a woman who lies about something she knows I will find out about is basically telling me that she doesn’t respect me enough to agree that I deserve the truth, and doesn’t intend to respect the legitimate anger I will have when I discover the lie.

And so I believe this: If I get a lie from a woman about something she knows very well I’m going to inevitably discover the truth about, I view it as what I call the ULTIMATE S~~~ TEST. If you get this test and fail it (proceeding on anyway as though it’s no issue), you will one day find yourself with a girlfriend, mate, spouse… who will not only screw around on you, or steal from you, she’ll add insult to it by telling you right to your face that she’s doing it… Because your reaction to it (the last male emotion that ever mattered) doesn’t matter anymore. You fail this test and you send a clear signal to them that there’s NOTHING that they cannot take from you.

It won’t happen immediately. But to the woman doing it, who will be paying VERY close attention to your response, your money, self respect, emotions… ALL OF IT… will be like money in the bank. She knows it’s there. She already felt entitled to it, and when you indicate with your actions that there is no consequence for taking it, you can be certain that she WILL be back for it…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[…Spectator 1165]

brainPilot: fat c~~~s bother me as well as they always attach themselves to hotgirls and f~~~ us over in the end game. later bro, going to bed now.

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