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I found this site (avfm) and started scanning some articles and vids. I came across an article by Dean Esmay. I only got about half way thru and doubt if I will finish reading all of it. He openly attacked you tubers and named names, this is a big red flag for me. Then he referred to me as a fool that will get myself and others killed because I am very vocal about marriage, co-hab LTR etc. “literally killed” he said and repeated this several times. His reason was that the legal repercussions were worse without a marriage lic. blah blah blah. To me the fact that there are legal repercussions is another good reason to avoid the marriage scam. I read many comments and no one addressed this red flag. 2 comments were deleted by mods. some comments were spot on. I chose not to comment because I have no desire to sign on to avfm forum. I thought they were about men’s rights, but this article was an attempt to dictate what I say and believe (sound familiar?)
AVfM has been on the warpath against MGTOW since their infamous “Miss Piggy” video. I strongly suspect it all comes down to two key things: We won’t pay them dues, and we won’t do what they tell us to do.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
AVfM has been on the warpath against MGTOW since their infamous “Miss Piggy” video. I strongly suspect it all comes down to two key things: We won’t pay them dues, and we won’t do what they tell us to do.
The moment AVfM couldn’t be A Voice for MGTOWs, they turned on MGTOW. This dynamic is happening all over regarding parts of the Manosphere.
I will insert my video I did on this recently:
I predict MGTOW will be going its/their own way from the rest of the Manosphere over time, even more than now.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
AVFM decided to let women in and they quickly ruined it.
AVfM has been on the warpath against MGTOW since their infamous “Miss Piggy” video. I strongly suspect it all comes down to two key things: We won’t pay them dues, and we won’t do what they tell us to do.
I used to support AVFM from the sidelines as a MGTOW up until this point. From what i understand, they tried to co-opt MGTOW and change it’s core belief into something halfway where marriage and MGTOW are compatible.
i stopped supporting AVFM after that and it looks like a lot of other guys did too judging by google trends. It’s a shame as i think they did a good job early on to get information out there on how much Feminists were decieving everyone and Karen Straughn did some pretty good videos.
Seeing how s~~~ty the MSM and feminists treated men/MRA’s just for wanting better treatment in society made me realise is that the only rational thing left to do is walk away from the table completely. The attempt at negotiations are over now as far as i’m concerned.. The only thing left is MGTOW.
They all want to control men, who don’t want to be controlled, so they lash out with shaming tactics and bulls~~~ talks.
Jokingly, they have become a proxy for the dressed up unicorns, claiming to be nawalts, to try subdue the other men, obviously failing doing so, because in the end, a free man is always stronger than a caged one, in mind and spirit.
AVFM decided to let women in and they quickly ruined it.
So right Imo.Its not that women shouldn’t have a say ,given they have sons etc and some tru fear have smelled the result of feminazium,but it irks me greatly that they have no humility,its like liberal whites who say “he speaks well for a black guy”.just freaking EEwwww.They come on mens sites (no pun intended”) and expect entitlement because its “look I am vag and heres what you guys need to do”.instead off “look I know Im a woman but can I just say”.
Not explaining well here but you get my drift I hope.
Anonymous5MGTOW is perfect. It is such a simple easy thing to understand and do. Don’t fight the war. Just walk away and not worry about it. Focus on yourself and live a life c~~~ free.
This is why MGTOW will never die while the other sites will struggle because they are fighting a losing battle or still chase pussy.
Sure I love some of the articles on avfm, mra sites, TRP on reddit and a few others but when it comes down to it, they are basically just purple pillers or red pillers fighting a pointless war against c~~~s.
Yeah it really bugs me that MGTOW gets lumped into MRM groups. Anyone that really attempts to understand these groups would easily realize that:
MRM – Fight to change the system/laws, specifically in regards to marriage and whatnot.
MGTOW – Do not want to change the system/laws and have simply walked away. Period.MRM groups aren’t going to win. Its as simple as that. Its too late. There are too many feminist in the legal and media professions and they craft every single attempt to balance the books into an attack on women.
I would image they have a lot of frustration over there. Many – in my opinion – come across as wanting to have relationships or marriages with women but feel they can change the laws to make it less dangerous to men. They haven’t succeeded and have instead been labeled a hate group by the media.
That may play a role in their lashing out against MGTOW, hoping to stir us into supporting the fight and judging us because we choose NOT to fight. I dunno. The division is troubling, but the lumping together of the two groups is even more so.
Sadly, what they do is more akin to feminism than anything else.
AVFM decided to let women in and they quickly ruined it.
^^ Exact !!.. Let a women touch an already spoiled milk she will spoil it even further.. , feel sorry for AVFM they used to be good..
I know why AVFM attacks MGTOW, we outnumber them vastly, and we won’t follow orders. We are Achilles sulking in his tent not wanting any part of this battle. We simply do not give a f~~~ to fight with women, other men, f~~~ing anybody. We will not be provoked by Dean Esmay, let the keebler elf lookin’ motherf~~~er run his dogfood hole however he wishes, I’m still sitting out the gender war. I’m gonna lay low in I-Don’t-give-a-f~~~-istan, smoke my weed and watch those noble MRA’s fight and lose this battle, why you ask?……. because no one cares about men. There is no “fixing” this problem, we have already reach societal demoralization, and out of control female hypergamy. Feminists are seeking female supremacy, and they’ll get it. Then society will f~~~ing implode, and we MGTOW know this is not what might happen, it WILL happen. It has happened before, it will happened again. I’d suggest a good reading of the Rudyard Kipling poem “Gods of the Copybook Headings”
The Gods of the Copybook Headings
AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!notice anything folk? This was written in the 19th century….
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
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