Aspergers and women

[DeviceParticipant 2]

A few months ago the idea occurred to me that there is a similarity between the way women conduct themselves in conversation/debate about gender dynamics, where many things become stigmatized as being misogynistic and bad for women, and in many real life situations where a man is portrayed as being perverted/idiotic.

To be clear, I don’t want to ‘hate’ on anyone who may be aspergers – in fact I find the diagnosis to be useless. But the idea of aspergers has connotations that have come to be accepted in a business logic fashion -> this == that, aspergers == socially awkward, overly fact based, ext ext.

That’s the stereotype – never mind what kind of social conditions perpetuate this type of undesirable state- that’s a different topic.

My thought is that women are ironically very asperger centric in their behavior and understanding of the world as it relates to them.

What do you guys think? I think its an interesting idea, quite a table-turner in that women are supposed to be more socially fluent than men and more socially adept, yet the reality is that they pedantically overemphasize an old playbook with no creativity.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

My mother is/was a registered nurse and she doesn’t f~~~ around or empathize, and she LAUGHS in the face of some diagnoses.

Terms like “ADHD” and “lactose intolerance” or “only gluten free” actually p~~~ her off. The first time she heard of Asperger’s syndrome, she just about fell off her chair. There isn’t a starving child on the planet who will refuse a glass of milk or piece of cheese because they are “lactose intolerant”…. or a piece of bread because they can’t eat gluten. Until the last few decades, all these bulls~~~ conditions never existed in all of human history. To her (and in this way), the entire world has gone insane. If anyone uses the term “politically correct” in front of her, it will take all of her self control to not slap that person.

But that’s just my Mom.

What do you guys think? I think its an interesting idea, quite a table-turner in that women are supposed to be more socially fluent than men and more socially adept, yet the reality is that they pedantically overemphasize an old playbook with no creativity.

You know the word “society”? Well who do you think “society” is? It’s women. The Oprah, Wendy and Ellen audiences. The sheeple. Whatever “society” says is acceptable is what WOMEN say is acceptable. They are even called “socialites”. Women are socially fluent because the embrace heard thinking, are the hive mentalities and general concensus. They have also never been the Leonardos, the Galileos, the free thinkers, or those who changed the world… and yes, they lack creativity.

This is why not even the most eminent heads of their entire female sex has ever left the world a single, lasting, priceless or significant work of art. Especially in painting which requires objectivity of mind. Women are more decorative than men and can paint their faces and nails with absolutely perfect precision… but not one female Monet ever existed. That’s because in order to be TRULY creative, one must be able to remove oneself from the equation, and think of something BIGGER and MORE IMPORTANT than oneself. Women are much too self-centered for this. That’s why countless youtube videos exist of women painting THEMSELVES…… rather than how to paint something ELSE or how to forge a Monet.

“Socially fluent” is a great term because the are “the talk shows”.
But they can’t even think past their own f~~~ing nose.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DeviceParticipant 2]

Yeah, so this is my idea – some types of self absorption which are often seen with women are comparable to traits associated with aspergers.

And I agree that the diagnosis of aspergers is bulls~~~. In fact, it’s rather asperger-ish to diagnose someone as have aspergers, in a way. To use it as an analogue to describe women, however, doesn’t fall into that category.

[MjolnirParticipant 23]

I got two friends who have aspergers syndrome diagnosis and anyone who actually talk to them will realize the difficulty they have in functioning socially. They have a very hard time reading body language and facial expressions as well as understanding the underlying meaning of what is said. Saying “Can you open the window?” might result in a “Yes.” even though it’s implied that the person want the other to open the window. Maybe asperger syndrome is not the perfect diagnosis but at least it can give some piece of mind and help the people to live a decent life and practice on their social shortcomings. I wouldn’t say that women are anything like asperger people. They are far more cunning in using words and conveying different subtle messages with what they say and how they express it. They may talk a lot about themselves but meeting a beautiful socially adept woman requires a man to come with guns loaded and ready for a duel.

Celiac disease and lactose intolerance are not bulls~~~ diseases either. When it comes to celiac disease for example there are histological differences to the epitelium of the intestine, degradation of villi and crypt formation as well as autoimmune activation of T-cells. At least HLA DQ genes have been tied to celiac disease as a mandatory gene to develop celiac disease and tissue transglutaminase is important in the pathogenesis of the disease. Lactose intolerance is a deficiancy of lactase, not having enough of a certain enzyme is not something you just make up. Allergies are increasing as well, is that bulls~~~ as well or might it have something to do with environmental changes?

 

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

Terms like “ADHD” and “lactose intolerance” or “only gluten free” actually p~~~ her off.

And rightly so though I do believe there are legitimate cases of a lactate allergy and Celiacs disease.
When I was a young lad I suffered from a form of temporary Celiacs although it wasnt the disease proper and after about 12 months I grew past it. I cant rightly remember what it was called but I recall the agony when my body would digest certain foods.

I got two friends who have aspergers syndrome diagnosis and anyone who actually talk to them will realize the difficulty they have in functioning socially. They have a very hard time reading body language and facial expressions as well as understanding the underlying meaning of what is said.

My older brother is a mite aspy and is very socially inept and reclusive. He simply doesnt connect with folks and doesnt feel the need to do so with anyone. Having said that, he does get lonely and in his own way will ‘suggest’ that I go and see him for a few days etc.

I do think however that there are a great many kids who have been labelled as ADD, ADHD or in the Autism Spectrum(of which Aspergers is a part) at the drop of a hat. Badly behaved kids are diagnosed with ADD when they just need more discipline or a different type of discipline; ADHD for kids who never learned to sit still and Autism Spectrum for kids who were never taught how to play nice with other kids. Such quick and dirty diagnoses are doing damage and we’ll see it more and more when these kids get older.

Back to point after my rambling, I dont think women are similar to autism or aspys or anything like it in any way. Women crave connections and social interaction; whats more is that they MUST control it in any way they can

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[MjolnirParticipant 23]

Yeah, I agree from a rather unfounded ground that the diagnoses are made at a whim and are overdiagnosed. The point was more that there are legitime cases even though when it comes to amount of psychiatric diagnoses I am not very well read. In general it’s harder to give a psychiatric diagnosis than a diagnoses of somatic disease since you cannot simply test for it but instead have to rely on clinical observation. It’s important to make a distinction between a disorder, syndrome and a disease. Celiac disease is a very real disease, there are plenty of research going into it even though not the entire pathogenesis is known. (I don’t have celiac disease btw, but I do study medicine).

[DybbukParticipant 182]

Allergies are increasing as well, is that bulls~~~ as well or might it have something to do with environmental changes?

Evidence is mounting for what’s known as the hygiene hypothesis. The idea is that human immune systems for countless millenia were accustomed to fighting various pathogens and parasites that have been largely eliminated in first world countries just within the last few generations. The immune systems, having now lost their symbiotic foes, have gotten out of whack. The result is a surge in various auto-immune related disorders like allergies, asthma, diabetes, autism, etc.

Sounds kooky at first blush, but it’s gaining a lot of credibility in mainstream medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Yeah, I agree from a rather unfounded ground that the diagnoses are made at a whim and are overdiagnosed.

That’s the key here, and entirely what I meant.

When I was a kid (tough, regimented schooling) there was no A.D.D, or “attention deficit” anything. It was called “PAY F~~~ING ATTENTION”. Nobody diagnosed us with a problem or prescribed us pills for it. But this bulls~~~ has seeped into the culture …. to the point where calling someone out on flakey behavior, they the will now use “yeah man, sorry, I totally have, like, A.D.D man.” as an unacceptable excuse.

No you f~~~ing don’t. Just smarten up.

And now they throw the word “Aspie” around for anyone who is socially awkward. I have actually seen people on message boards and online discussions introduce themselves by saying “I’m an Aspie”, when it’s totally irrelevant in an online discussion. But during WWII there were no “aspies” to be found anywhere. They were just “socially awkward” people.

Somewhere along the lines… “toilet paper” has become “bathroom tissue” too.
The dump became the “landfill”.
Car crashes become “automobile accidents”.
Medicine became “Medication”.
“Sex” has become “gender”.

I’m talking about what George Carlin describes as “soft language”.
The language that takes the LIFE —- out of LIFE.

And now f~~~ing everything – including video games and fresh air – is called “misogyny”, which brings us back to the original poster’s point (above). The female understanding of the world is so f~~~ing ass backwards and in no way based in reality anymore. A woman’s very real actions could be the personification of evil and when you discuss it (or point it out) you’re now a misogynist. This bulls~~~ has seeped into the goddam legal system now. And because wee are all MUCH TOO TOLERANT you get people believing in stupid s~~~ like “online bullying”. Yahoo has a goddam “report abuse” button.

What the f~~~ is “online bullying” ? “Abuse buttons”? F~~~ off. How is it possible to abuse someone online? Do I have to take a hammer or baseball bat to my keyboard? If anyone feels “abused” by something they read on a webpage, they have very deep mental problems. Hows that for a diagnosis. As a cure, I recommend they turn off their f~~~ing computers and forfeit their internet connections because they are CLEARLY not ready for it. How the f~~~ do these losers cope in the real world???

This is the answer to the original poster’s question. Gooddam right women are socially awkward… and one could even argue that’s exactly why they belong in the f~~~ing kitchen. It’s for their own protection, because they can’t handle real world thoughts or opinions without feeling “violated” and “abused”. Women don’t even know the basic difference between THOUGHTS, OPINIONS and ACTIONS.

Type something a woman doesn’t like and she will react like you just treated her badly.
The world has gone f~~~ing insane, really.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MjolnirParticipant 23]

Dybbuk : It was more of a rhetorical question, but yeah I know about the hygiene hypothesis, it makes a lot of sense concerning antigen presentation and memory cell creation of the immune system. My point was pretty much that new diseases will appear because of our changes in living style.

 

Keymaster : I do see your point and in some cases just more discipline might be a good solution. Medicine is always evolving and when we get better understanding we also get new diagnoses and new treatments. If that wasn’t the case we’d still be using leeches and trepanation. It’s always easy when not afflicted by something to tell someone to get over it or just stop acting in a certain way. Telling someone with major depression to just cheer up doesn’t work that well, it’s strange but when it comes to afflictions of the mind there are no understanding to be had. If someone breaks a leg people understand that you can’t walk, but if you are depressed people just think you are lazy and should cheer up.

Online bullying I don’t think have anything to do with feminism. With the advent of social media every young person is online in some form or the other. Online bullying is just normal bullying taken online. People making hate group towards a person, spreading rumours or just sending constant hate mails, it’s not something a kid is equipped to deal with.

So much stuff is considered misogynic and that is a problem, from what I hear about rape culture at campuses and critique being equalled to misogynia, I’m just shaking my head. But there are no asperger like actions when it comes to women. The changes to society we are seeing just means they have outsmarted men in that regard and got their agenda working for them. I think the main issues is due to men and women have such different ways to percieve the world, neither can be said to be the reality, it’s our own perception of reality. From womens viewpoint they make a lot of sense. Men and women behave so differently when interacting. It’s just that they are forcing their own world view on all of humanity = matriarchy.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

I can understand your point of view on Aspergers and Female behavior in social settings, as well as the work setting, and being someone who has worked at a ton of offices with women i can tell you that they can go full on crazy sometimes with no goddamn explanation whatsoever.  Like Keymaster, I as well come from the Old School where we didn’t have so many diagnosis as we do now, A.D.D, A.D.H.D, and all that other crap.

 

I remember a kid in school, who would go absolute bat s~~~ after lunch and this puzzled the teachers and principals, we had a liberal type nurse who thought the kid had a plethora of problems, come to find out the kid had a sugar load of crap food made for him by his mom, ranging from 3 bags of gushers, 2 bags of M&Ms, and a skittle bag with one peanut butter sandwich and two juice boxed, yeah he was loaded up on sugar!. Later on when His diet was changed, The Kid was fine. But, i digress.

 

I feel that the Female mind hasn’t been looked into in a serious deep psychology way. Men have been tested Psychologically, mentally and physically,  during WW1, WW2 as well as guinea pigs during every war, social problem, stress and diseases known to man. The British Army Men during WW1/WW2 as well as American Service Men were tested on how they could face combat situations being impaired by drugs, the Men were given LSD, Cocaine, as well as Marijuana to see how they could handle on a mental level.

 

There were even test done on a psychological level on Men during stressful situations, sexual, traumatic as well painful childhood memories brought back up.  Books have been written about it, magazine articles, science, medical as well as military books, were written about it to further understand what makes a Man tick and how well can He perform during certain situations.

 

Have women been tested like that?, F~~~….NO!.  Combat tested with drugs?, battle tested?, emotionally as well as physically tested?, nope not at all. The point I’m trying to make is, On a Male level, when it comes to sports, computers, adrenaline, sex, etc…

there are tons of explanations as to why Men do it, and article after articles by science experts explaining as to why Men excel and enjoy these kind of things. Look at female serial killers, or women who kill their children, often time we’ll hear experts say “We honestly don’t know what would drove this woman to do it“.  Yet when Jeffery Dahmer ate other dudes, left and right, they had a 5 Men panel of psychologist here to timbucktoo explain WHY Jeffery Dahmer did it, or John Wayne Gacey or Richard Ramirez.

 

One of my College professors brought this subject up years ago, and His concern was that “What do we truly know about the Female mind?, and why we should be frighten of it”. At the time I thought he was a quack, and overworked, but later on when i remembered his lecture on Male and Female testing and how more is known about the Male Mind then Female really struck a core with me.

 

I can understand a women who was gang raped as a child by her father, sibling or whatever. But how the f~~~ does one explain a girl with a good upbringing that kills her kids, her husband, or sometimes people around her??. Experts still can’t TRULY explain what a Postpartum depression is, they liken it to the stress of having a baby, some say it’s because stress of something new in their life they have to deal with. yeah one says this, the other says that. Why the f~~~ can’t one person agree on one single subject?.

 

A relative of mine who is a female psychologist, can’t even explain as to why  my Ex wife would stab me with a knife, and with a pair of scissors and punch me repeatedly for no reason. My Ex wasn’t raped as a child, she was never beaten, never showed signs of aggression growing up,  had a normal upbringing, yet what drove her to do that?, to act that s~~~ out and potentially killing me in the process?.

 

That kinda s~~~ will f~~~ with your mind, if you really stop and think about it. it’s almost rabid in nature, like owning a Tiger, you raised it, you loved it, and feed it, then one day it chews your damn body in two. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to say every woman out there is like Gone Girl, and will f~~~ up your very existence. I’m just saying, when it comes to the female mind, most experts can’t even agree on what makes a women tick.

 

 

 

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

<<< aspies

can’t agree with the relation between women and people \w aspies or even autism in general.

Here is a neat simple fact, when it comes to non-trama induced aspies / autism in general, the brains typically reflect that of a more masculine or “male” brain.

Less white mater, and more grey matter. White matter being bandwidth, and grey matter being processing power.

This is why autistic are often far more logical, and men are often far more logical than women.

I believe that right now, the best and most commonly used label for modern women is sociopath.

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[DeviceParticipant 2]

I disagree with aspergers being an appropriate diagnosis in any way, as far as I can tell it is pointless, and potentially even designed just so “therapists” can bill people more effectively.

As far as it being a “condition” its my belief that ones surroundings are quite influential, and society in general doesn’t care for ‘aspergers’ people, so how are they going to change? As far as I can tell, almost none of the therapy allotted for people with aspergers or autism spectrum is effective, which would be things things as teaching them how to inhabit their body, how to feel their experience of their body – instead there is just a f~~~load of inept social dynamics and talk therapy to no avail. They’re being taken advantage of.

(Also notice that while women portend to be more socially fluent than men, they do not try to help men out in general insofar as social fluency [double standard while we engineer the education system to encourage them to be more scientific])

But really, what I meant by the comparison of aspergers to women, is not a straightforward scientific judgment, but rather a figurative comparison.

That’s what I was really asking about.

[DeviceParticipant 2]

And please, don’t be offended by the comparison of women to aspergers. It shouldn’t be offensive. If you’re dealing with ‘aspergers’, all you’re dealing with is getting to know yourself and your body. There are ways this can be done really well. Don’t define yourself with a half-baked model coined by negligent professionals.

[stogestevensSpectator -11]

Just want to throw this out there, but Key Master’s mom sounds like a f~~~ing idiot. Back in her day people didn’t have allergies like that because there wasn’t the science to figure it out, much in the same way certain mental illnesses were thought to be delusions, and that cocaine was a drug that was permissible to administer children. Get out of this antiquated thought pattern. Who defines how things should be, or what a woman’s role should be? God, you guys are f~~~ing stupid, and pathetic. Its crystal, crystal clear that the hatred you have for women is for one reason and one reason only:

 

<b>BECAUSE OF CONTINUOUS REJECTION. </b>

 

A man who actually gets laid and engages with women doesn’t have these sentiments, its only the goofy f~~~ing losers who spend all their time on online forums that reach this point. Thus this whole website even existing. I go here to laugh, and finally i give in and comment. Please delete my account. Everyone on this website is a f~~~ing joke of a man and should continue boiling in their self created pits of anger until they die of blue b~~~~. Go out, get some pussy, get some fresh air, stop bitching about your ex wife.

 

YOU GUYS ARE F~~~ING PATHETIC. READ IT AGAIN. PATHETIC. F~~~ ALL OF YOU.

[MadmanParticipant 772]

You went to the trouble to register and everything just so you can be a troll for a few posts and get deleted.. I think you need to evaluate your own life man. Have fun paying child support.

[MjolnirParticipant 23]

Device: Just because there are no effective treatment for an ailment doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist (otherwise one could say HIV or certain forms of cancer doesn’t exist because there are no effective treatments), it just means there need to be more research done in that area instead of GOBSAT consensus. I see your point but is it really realistic to make each woman responsible for helping people develop socially? I mean a lot of people would be helpful but there is just a difference when it comes to an institution like school systems and similar which is not based on an individual. Of course surroundings are influential, that’s the reason Im predicting there will be a lot more psyschiatric disorders and increased crime in the future because of the abundance of single parent households and parental alienation.

I do not really see the connection you are trying to make though.

Stogestevens : I think you got it all backwards. I loved women the most before I started going to night clubs. I found that being a bit of a c~~~y asshole worked so great it kinda tore my reality apart. Everything I was taught was a lie when I realized how attraction worked. I remember thinking to myself “this shouldn’t work!” when women were attracted because I was a bit of a caveman. I’ve had friends girlfriends giving me signals because I was a bit hard to figure out and a bit more assertive than them. I’ve met girls who were in relationships as well and I realize that it is simply not feasible to have a long term relationship. My beef isn’t with women, I just accept they have a different biological imperatives than men and trying to blame them for it is like blaming a person for having blond hair or a big nose. But it’s quite stupid not adapting to the new knowledge you get.

The beef I have is with feminists and society trying to define the male role and making men live up to their gender roles when women have abandoned their roles. This is quite a bit different than hating women I’m sure you can see. MGTOW is just looking after yourself first and saying you have the right to define your own life. It’s just a shift in the way of thinking really.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

@stogestevens

 

 

A man who actually gets laid and engages with women doesn’t have these sentiments

 

 

Bro, let me tell you something, back in my 20s that’s all I ever chased, and all I ever thought about. But you wanna know something?, it got me NOWHERE, and you what i accomplished at the end of the day?, NOTHING!. Chasin’ tale and engaging with Women doesn’t do jack s~~~ for you. Too much Pussy will seriously f~~~ you up in more ways then one, Engaging with women won’t do s~~~ for you either.

 

The only time i ever felt like I accomplished something, was when i built something, traveled somewhere,  saved someone’s life (which I have done twice in my life), or learned a new language or new things. Those things added happiness and joy in my own life. Getting Laid?, Engaging with women?….pffffft sounds like a quote from a National Lampoon movie.

 

the goofy f~~~ing losers who spend all their time on online forums

 

Funny, so what brought you here?, kinda ironic don’t you think Bud?, like the “Pot calling the kettle black”…(Google that quote if you have to).

And just to bring you up to speed, I do have a life, a damn good one, full of sports, ocean activities as well as motorcycle riding, I come here to give my input to Men who need it in a Feminist- mind f~~~ed society. I come here to learn as well, These Men here are great Men, who have great stories to tell, and stories that will not only save your sorry f~~~ing ass, but mine as well dude.

 

So when you say “Everyone on this website is a f~~~ing joke“, you’re taking a vicious swipe at some good Men, and By God I ain’t standing by and taking that s~~~.

 

Go out, get some pussy, get some fresh air, stop bitching about your ex wife.

 

And what exactly is Pussy going to do?, Oh wow look guys!, after pussy I finally can do my taxes!!!, find the cure to Ebola, and make peace in the Middle East! (sarcasm).  Boy, someday when You come face to face with that one bitch that’ll f~~~ you over, you’re gonna say “Damn, those MGTOW motherf~~~ers were right“. Real Talk Bro, no bulls~~~, I can respect your opinion, but when you throw words around like the way you did, that ain’t cool Bud. And your s~~~ needs to be called out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[RoyDalParticipant]

stogestevens is a TROLL

Do not feed it and maybe it will go away — and take its vicious personal attacks with it.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

They could boil a lot of these so called disorders down to one “Living in a f~~~ed up society disorder”.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Just want to throw this out there, but Key Master’s mom sounds like a f~~~ing idiot.

I assure you, I think that myself sometimes.
She can’t even figure out what button to click when her computer asks “OK” or “CANCEL”, and has to phone me about it.

But knowing when someone is really sick (or not) is her speciality.
You get a headache you take a pill. She gets a headache and takes a nap.

Important difference.

Back in her day people didn’t have allergies like that because there wasn’t the science to figure it out, much in the same way certain mental illnesses were thought to be delusions, and that cocaine was a drug that was permissible to administer children. Get out of this antiquated thought pattern. Who defines how things should be, or what a woman’s role should be? God, you guys are f~~~ing stupid, and pathetic. Its crystal, crystal clear that the hatred you have for women is for one reason and one reason only: BECAUSE OF CONTINUOUS REJECTION.

Rejection? We can’t even get rid of you !

What would it take for you to f~~~ off, actually. A compliment?

A man who actually gets laid and engages with women doesn’t have these sentiments, its only the goofy f~~~ing losers who spend all their time on online forums that reach this point. Thus this whole website even existing. I go here to laugh, and finally i give in and comment. Please delete my account. Everyone on this website is a f~~~ing joke of a man and should continue boiling in their self created pits of anger until they die of blue b~~~~. Go out, get some pussy, get some fresh air, stop bitching about your ex wife.

MGTOW isn’t just a “website”, sweetheart. It’s you being called out on your fraud and pretense. It’s your bulls~~~ failing miserably. It’s tens of thousands of men who see through a paragraph like that and laugh their motherf~~~ing asses off.

YOU GUYS ARE F~~~ING PATHETIC. READ IT AGAIN. PATHETIC. F~~~ ALL OF YOU.

Make an appointment, dear. And don’t chip your teeth on your dildo.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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