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I thought I’d found a decent one at a religious gathering. She keeps a low profile, hair unkempt, no make-up, mildly disabled… basically a 6 at best. I figured she was about my age, perhaps a few years older, maybe late 30’s at most. Turns out she is 47! Totally misjudged her age by over a decade. Im sure it goes to her head, that she looks younger than she is…
She called me a “bambi” since I’m 32 (14 years younger). She won’t date me because Im “too young for her.” I guess that is a fair enough reason actually. I feel like its a cop out but hey, some people dont want that image. She said “Im not a cougar.”
Well. Anyway. The reason Im posting is that I’ve been exercising and losing weight the last few months. Down to 200lbs. Lost 25lbs. I feel great and wanted to end this 5 year MGTOW celibacy stretch. Felt like picking up a one-night stand or maybe even juggling a relations~~~ for a few months. I guess I wanted some drama and some sex….
The point is, it’s the same old bulls~~~ as before. These women out here are a mess! Even the seemingly religious nice girls are a trick. Cruel, cold-hearted narcissists. This clueless 45 year old woman (no education) literally makes 4 times the amount of money I make each year. She makes $120K a year. She owns nothing and says she is not rich… LOL. THAT really does make me resentful. AND she is is in a lawsuit with an Ex trying to clean him out for more money. LMAO. The f~~~ing greed guys, and this is from someone who supposedly leads a spiritual life!
And Let me tell you something. Life is difficult for young quiet men like me. It’s not happy. I refuse to have an online dating profile. I will not use an escort service. I have standards!
And I have an online place where men like me hang out and open up to each other. But now Im being bullied and outcasted here. Gargamel (meow mix cat troll) trash clogged my intro with spam. He is literally hurting me. He may be the reason for someone taking their own life one day. He hurts people here.
To be honest, I think Im done with this website. There is no new membership. We’re decaying. We have a psycho cat f~~~er on the loose and its become very psychologically unhealthy to be here.
I think Im going to bow out for a few years again. No youtube profile or this either. What is the point? I recieve no love in my heart for brotherhood here anymore. No love, no joy. Only sadness and confusion over why a man like Gargamel (meowmix) would hurt people so deeply for so long. THere is no point. His Hypocrisy is so disgusting. His lies are KM are so ridiculous but he repeats them so often, he even has you believing this bulls~~~.
Whatever man. It was nice knowing yall. Be well. MGTOW FOREVER BROS, see you later on down the trail maybe!
Your old buddy -Gravel Pit
If it makes ya feel any better GP, I was recently bunrt out by a young babe who was coming on to me but I can’t play them the way they want to be played and she ended up f~~~ing with my head. What’s happening to the site is just a sign of no admin in place, I just use the life lessons learnt here to ghost the crap threads and squeeze an ounce of brotherhood out of what’s left. You only stood up to Gargamels trolling and in a humorous way, but for whatevs reason he thinks you are a payed troll bringing down the site. I do know that he is p~~~ed he can’t get a refund on his $5 a month so is making the most of his time here to throw kitty litter everywhere. We have been programmed by tv, social media etc to have constant interaction 24/7 with our devices. Digital detox is a healthy natural alternative, if this site gets unplugged try to unplug from the rest of the bulls~~~ that’s out there, read a book, go on a hike etc…
"Society is to blame" Denton
You only stood up to Gargamels trolling and in a humorous way
exactly. Im as good a man as you’re likely to ever come across. One you’d want covering your six. Gargamel is a first class buddy f~~~er.
p~~~ed he can’t get a refund on his $5 a month
You can end your subscription $5 billing by simply destroying your debit card and having your bank reissue you a new one. I actually ended my subscription by accident a month ago. Gargamel is doing what he is doing because he is literally insane. There is no other reason. His reasoning is text book, certifiable, crazy.
unplug from the rest of the bulls~~~ that’s out there, read a book, go on a hike
exactly. Im 32, single, sober, free, employed and happy. I can do many things besides this. I love yall and hope you self actualize as men and take good care of yourselves.
I might not quit. I dont know.
Im going through some pain the last 48 hours. F~~~ing red pill rage type s~~~. Tired of the hypocrisy of the world. You put in effort and genuine caring for other people, what do you get back? rejection. You get no sex. You get no affection. And you come on here and some f~~~er pours cat litter on you. f~~~ that
I hear you GP. I’m a decade ahead of you, so the idea of not having a screaming wife and kids is not such a powerful force when you get to forties. I never gave up, I still havn’t, but I just don’t have any particular drive to date. Online is a disaster, so I tend to just make friends and go from there.
My latest squeeze I became very close to, it hurts as I just wanted to see her sort her s~~~ out. Anyway out came her hidden mega bitch and she cut me off after I had been putting in alot of effort to help her out of a pretty f~~~ed up situation. Why did it end so abrupt? She decided to come onto me instead of just be cool and keep playing friends, but then of course the hamster started turning and s~~~ got complicated too quick.
Still very p~~~ed off at her and prob won’t trust a woman again in a long time, but fuch em, alls fair in love and war, it does suck when the good ones get away. But with red pill lenses, all the signs were there that it wasn’t going to work as she was tourmented in her own head, very broken and unfortunatley I couldn’t see her improving with the way she took off.
Just sux becuase I just wanted to love the biatch, wasn’t even bothered about any sex as I knew she had issues, but fuch em, I’ll resign to being a bachelor for life probably. Plenty of ways to scratch that itch.
"Society is to blame" Denton
You forgot the the 8th rule in the Fight Club By laws under section D.
If you are looking for it, you are not going to find it.
And when you find it? You won’t even know you were looking for it.
Case in point. I thought I left my 1/4 inch “screwdriver” at the Junkyard since I forgot to put it in its place in the tool box.
THe bastard thing has been in my car for a month. RIGHT NEXT TO ME in my side glove box that I reach down into EACH and every day..
And JUST 3 days ago I go.. I am holding it in my hand and it just dawns on me. BOOM! Hey.. Wtf? I was holding in my GOD DAMN HAND while looking for lighter, and then I put it down and my brain goes. DUDE.. Bro.. LOOK AT YOUR HAND..
I got problems man. Really, King Missiles Song was REALLY about me. If it was not attached…. 🙂
You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home
gathering.
Bro church’s lmfao . I have f~~~ed a a number of chicks threw church . Alot of those chicks are dirty sluts out looking for sympathy and attention victim bulls~~~ of some chad . You just ignore that s~~~ . Alot f~~~ed in the head to . Its like they treat churches like c~~~oholics anonymous. They try and score free s~~~ too even money . Some well very few of the real older woman read these c~~~s like a book and don’t like them because they see threw them . I use to get some heads up from 2 old ladies . They were cool as and stood up and denounced this other man hating feminist bitch who stood up and made a speech None of them realised what she was really going to say . She targated my kids once back then and they put an end to her s~~~ . That was a few years ago now . I still see that old c~~~ from time to time . C~~~ even has the hide to grin .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Anonymous1Congrats on losing weight! Congrats for not packing more on by strapping on a slightly disabled milf. I need to walk around this tree and p~~~ on it a bit. She’s older, unkempt, perhaps disabled and you wanted to keep to your higher standards of not hiring escorts?
I suppose there is some logic about culling the weak and sick from the herd to promote genetic health, but really the whole species is sick and weak, so not a real advantage. Perhaps it’s the hunter that needs better tracking skills or learn to love veggie burgers.
Asked a Woman Out: Fresh Rejection…. Tired of it all
Remember: Their rejection is every bit as WORTHLESS as their acceptance.
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
Just No-Appetite for that whole “dating” thing in any form.
I’ve been there, done that, and at least for now I’m DONE with THAT.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
Ha, there’s this gal I’ve been thinking about getting some sex from. She’s interested in me. Been asking me to go to lunch together. Finally went to lunch with her. Couldn’t wait for it to be over. Just isn’t worth it anymore. I’ll stick with my couple of unreliable whores. I get a suck from them every now and then.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Sounds like you are lowering your standards. Dude you know all this, stop and take a breath. 5 years and your gonna throw it away for a 6/10 disabled church lady. If you are a church guy then you know pumping and dumping isn’t gonna work. Escorts aren’t the answer either.
Western church women are contaminated, there is no difference in divorce rates inside the church or outside the church. That fact alone tells me AWALT. But you are young guy with needs, I’m not judging you, read my stories. I was a wild man before I went monk and I only got a year. You got 5 years it would suck to give up now. If I was you getting ready to search, I would pray daily. Develop a plan and stick to Gods direction. Listen to that voice it’s never wrong. The last GF I had I met at church, that voice told me no. My c~~~ said go for it dude, then I was a good guy in a s~~~ty situation. Got two floating around me right now at church, the voice says no, but now I’m red pill, I listen.
You are a prize, trust me on that. Don’t ever let a woman make you feel bad. F~~~ that worthless bitch, 5 years from now, that is gonna be even worse. Her house is built on sand. Bambi! F~~~ that, she disrespected you because you don’t have enough money. Again Wait 5 years, when you are earning more. She will be like “you sure turned into a man”. They have no standards, stop acting like them. Raise your standards even higher, your well being is worth it.
SpleeferGalatians 5:1 (KJV) Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Brought up a lot of good points GP, In this and the exit. The spam masters have taken over central. The number of new threads and post on them is way down. It started in central, but seems to have spread. Fewer new members.
As far as a woman. Even today we are brought up with the idea of having it all the nice little house the wife who is faithful and a few kids who are not total brats. The reality is almost no one is going to find that, which is a bitter pill for some. I was married and divorced twice, (nasty events) but sometimes I wish it could have been different. Have even go so far as looking at pictures in some dating sites, just never signed up.
Good luck GP.mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/
I thought I’d found a decent one at a religious gathering.
Definately a Homer Simpson moment.
“Doh!”.
Anonymous38EVERY WOMAN is both the sweetest girl you’ve ever met and the coldest most heartless c~~~ alive. Which depends on what she wants from you. They are chameleons, shifting their ‘personality’ in order to achieve their aims. I do not think there are any ‘genuine’ women, where a sense of honour would trump her ‘pragmatic’ behaviours.
Once you understand this everything is a lot easier.
EVERY WOMAN is both the sweetest girl you’ve ever met and the coldest most heartless c~~~ alive. Which depends on what she wants from you. They are chameleons, shifting their ‘personality’ in order to achieve their aims. I do not think there are any ‘genuine’ women, where a sense of honour would trump her ‘pragmatic’ behaviours.
Once you understand this everything is a lot easier.………..and they can switch on a dime. It’s also worth pointing out that it is much easier for them to go from sweet to cold c~~~ than it is for them to go back to sweet. Once they’ve unleashed their dark side, they have a very difficult time putting it back. It doesn’t take much for you to be able to flip their switch from sweet to c~~~, but it’s impossible for you to flip it back.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Anonymous1I thought I’d found a decent one at a religious gathering.
LMFAO.
Stay the hell away from those Church Sluts. Nothing good can come from it.
Well. Anyway. The reason Im posting is that I’ve been exercising and losing weight the last few months. Down to 200lbs. Lost 25lbs.
1. Keep up with that. Start working on lean muscle mass in addition to just losing weight. work out a work out program and stick with it.
2. Stop asking women out.
3. Get some clothes.
4. Find some outdoor activities where women will be present. The key term is activeity. NOT CHURCH! Sitting in a pew mumbling along is not active.
5. Ignore the women present. If you must talk to one of them, treat her more like a man than you treat the men.
6. Live for you, not for women.When you stop chasing them, they will chase you.
Gravel Pit. Dude?!?! WTF?!?! So you’re leaving the site because a disabled church lady said no to you and she has money and trying to get money off her ex husband? Ov vey?! Ok let me break this down for you. Women are f~~~ed up. Period. Their thinking is off the chart. Let me give you an example. You said you wouldn’t use online dating but I’ll give you a story. I use online dating sites like POF, Hot or Not or Tinder not to hook up but for comedy. I like to read the ads of women who have this delusional 400 point check list and say sorry I’ll pass. So anyways that’s what I did to a woman who responded to me. In her ad she said she wanted to be chased. I responded back and said I don’t chase women. Then she went back and changed her ad stating she changed her ad before which was a lie and then I responded back. Then she messages me back and says she decided not to meet me and good luck. LOL…. For one I didn’t even say I wanted to meet the woman and I was ROTF out of laughter. Another example of how f~~~ed up and delusional women are online and even if you meet them somewhere they’ll end it through some delusional BS. My advice to you is this. Get a sex doll or when Sex robots come out get one if you can afford one. Have realistic masturbation toys. Have porn readily available and then I would pay and escort here and there and forget about all this moral BS. Women aren’t moral so why should we be. Take care of yourself and be proud. I tell people what I have sex toys wise and I even have them on my instagram. No fear or no shame here. If you don’t believe me. Same as my nickname here and you can add me. Just let me know what your nickname is on there. You’re in conflict because you are thinking or the moral aspects but really it’s what is best for you. Women lie cheat and steal so men should do the same.
One other thing is goingyourownway.com the site has mods so nuts get banned. Not as fancy looking as this site, but it works for what you need it to do.
Until KM sets up some kind of control of this site, the trouble is not going to stop.
mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/
In a troll’s thread, a little education about what was going on here for years never hurts.
For the trolls’ and sock puppets’ “Ignoring” and “gaslighting” convenience.
In another thread, the question was raised:
How do you get rid of a disruptive troll?
Here is the answer: Don’t do s~~~ like that to others. They might know more than you and f~~~ you up once they had enough.
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.Below is what this forum here pulled on unsuspecting men for YEARS.
Source: https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
1. COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
2. Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
3. Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
4. How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
5. Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
______________________________________________________________________________________COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..
There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a ‘uncontrolled forum.’
Technique #1 – ‘FORUM SLIDING’
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum – it can be quickly removed from public view by ‘forum sliding.’ In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to ‘age.’ Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a ‘forum slide.’ The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a ‘forum slide’ and ‘flush’ the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then ‘replying’ to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting ‘slides’ down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
Technique #2 – ‘CONSENSUS CRACKING’
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at http://www.abovetopsecret.com) is ‘consensus cracking.’ To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made – but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger ‘evidence’ or disinformation in your favour is slowly ‘seeded in.’ Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then ‘abort’ the consensus cracking by initiating a ‘forum slide.’
Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’ By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
Technique #4 – ‘INFORMATION COLLECTION’
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a ‘show you mine so me yours’ posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your ‘favourite weapon’ and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite ‘technique of operation.’ From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.
Technique #5 – ‘ANGER TROLLING’
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes – without the requirement to ‘stage’ a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to ‘lead’ the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you ‘do not care what the authorities think!!’ inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.
Technique #6 – ‘GAINING FULL CONTROL’
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings – and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the ‘ultimate victory’ as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a ‘honey pot’ gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.
CONCLUSION
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.
______________________________________________________________________________________Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.
1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the ‘How dare you!’ gambit.
3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such ‘arguable rumors’. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a ‘wild rumor’ from a ‘bunch of kids on the Internet’ which can have no basis in fact.
4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary ‘attack the messenger’ ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as ‘kooks’, ‘right-wing’, ‘liberal’, ‘left-wing’, ‘terrorists’, ‘conspiracy buffs’, ‘radicals’, ‘militia’, ‘racists’, ‘religious fanatics’, ‘sexual deviates’, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning — simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent’s viewpoint.
7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough ‘jargon’ and ‘minutia’ to illustrate you are ‘one who knows’, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man — usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with – a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues — so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the ‘high road’ and ‘confess’ with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made — but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, ‘just isn’t so.’ Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly ‘call for an end to the nonsense’ because you have already ‘done the right thing.’ Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for ‘coming clean’ and ‘owning up’ to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.
14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.
16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won’t have to address the issue.
17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can ‘argue’ with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how ‘sensitive they are to criticism.’
19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the ‘play dumb’ rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations — as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.
21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.
22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.
23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.
24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.
25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
______________________________________________________________________________________Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.
2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.
3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.
4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.
5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for ‘conspiracy theorists’ and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.
6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of ‘artificial’ emotionalism and an unusually thick skin — an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial.
Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the ‘image’ and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It’s just a job, and they often seem unable to ‘act their role in character’ as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later — an emotional yo-yo.
With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game — where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.
7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat ‘freudian’, so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.
I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I’m not aware of too many Navy pilots who don’t have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.
8) Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:
a) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT – FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.
b) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR – there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to ‘get permission’ or instruction from a formal chain of command.
c) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay – the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin.
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How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
One way to neutralize a potential activist is to get them to be in a group that does all the wrong things. Why?
1) The message doesn’t get out.
2) A lot of time is wasted
3) The activist is frustrated and discouraged
4) Nothing good is accomplished.FBI and Police Informers and Infiltrators will infest any group and they have phoney activist organizations established.
Their purpose is to prevent any real movement for justice or eco-peace from developing in this country.
Agents come in small, medium or large. They can be of any ethnic background. They can be male or female.
The actual size of the group or movement being infiltrated is irrelevant. It is the potential the movement has for becoming large which brings on the spies and saboteurs.
This booklet lists tactics agents use to slow things down, foul things up, destroy the movement and keep tabs on activists.
It is the agent’s job to keep the activist from quitting such a group, thus keeping him/her under control.
In some situations, to get control, the agent will tell the activist:
“You’re dividing the movement.”
[Here, I have added the psychological reasons as to WHY this maneuver works to control people]
This invites guilty feelings. Many people can be controlled by guilt. The agents begin relationships with activists behind a well-developed mask of “dedication to the cause.” Because of their often declared dedication, (and actions designed to prove this), when they criticize the activist, he or she – being truly dedicated to the movement – becomes convinced that somehow, any issues are THEIR fault. This is because a truly dedicated person tends to believe that everyone has a conscience and that nobody would dissimulate and lie like that “on purpose.” It’s amazing how far agents can go in manipulating an activist because the activist will constantly make excuses for the agent who regularly declares their dedication to the cause. Even if they do, occasionally, suspect the agent, they will pull the wool over their own eyes by rationalizing: “they did that unconsciously… they didn’t really mean it… I can help them by being forgiving and accepting ” and so on and so forth.
The agent will tell the activist:
“You’re a leader!”
This is designed to enhance the activist’s self-esteem. His or her narcissistic admiration of his/her own activist/altruistic intentions increase as he or she identifies with and consciously admires the altruistic declarations of the agent which are deliberately set up to mirror those of the activist.
This is “malignant pseudoidentification.” It is the process by which the agent consciously imitates or simulates a certain behavior to foster the activist’s identification with him/her, thus increasing the activist’s vulnerability to exploitation. The agent will simulate the more subtle self-concepts of the activist.
Activists and those who have altruistic self-concepts are most vulnerable to malignant pseudoidentification especially during work with the agent when the interaction includes matter relating to their competency, autonomy, or knowledge.
The goal of the agent is to increase the activist’s general empathy for the agent through pseudo-identification with the activist’s self-concepts.
The most common example of this is the agent who will compliment the activist for his competency or knowledge or value to the movement. On a more subtle level, the agent will simulate affects and mannerisms of the activist which promotes identification via mirroring and feelings of “twinship”. It is not unheard of for activists, enamored by the perceived helpfulness and competence of a good agent, to find themselves considering ethical violations and perhaps, even illegal behavior, in the service of their agent/handler.
The activist’s “felt quality of perfection” [self-concept] is enhanced, and a strong empathic bond is developed with the agent through his/her imitation and simulation of the victim’s own narcissistic investments. [self-concepts] That is, if the activist knows, deep inside, their own dedication to the cause, they will project that onto the agent who is “mirroring” them.
The activist will be deluded into thinking that the agent shares this feeling of identification and bonding. In an activist/social movement setting, the adversarial roles that activists naturally play vis a vis the establishment/government, fosters ongoing processes of intrapsychic splitting so that “twinship alliances” between activist and agent may render whole sectors or reality testing unavailable to the activist. They literally “lose touch with reality.”
Activists who deny their own narcissistic investments [do not have a good idea of their own self-concepts and that they ARE concepts] and consciously perceive themselves (accurately, as it were) to be “helpers” endowed with a special amount of altruism are exceedingly vulnerable to the affective (emotional) simulation of the accomplished agent.
Empathy is fostered in the activist through the expression of quite visible affects. The presentation of tearfulness, sadness, longing, fear, remorse, and guilt, may induce in the helper-oriented activist a strong sense of compassion, while unconsciously enhancing the activist’s narcissistic investment in self as the embodiment of goodness.
The agent’s expresssion of such simulated affects may be quite compelling to the observer and difficult to distinguish from deep emotion.
It can usually be identified by two events, however:
First, the activist who has analyzed his/her own narcissistic roots and is aware of his/her own potential for being “emotionally hooked,” will be able to remain cool and unaffected by such emotional outpourings by the agent.
As a result of this unaffected, cool, attitude, the Second event will occur: The agent will recompensate much too quickly following such an affective expression leaving the activist with the impression that “the play has ended, the curtain has fallen,” and the imposture, for the moment, has finished. The agent will then move quickly to another activist/victim.
The fact is, the movement doesn’t need leaders, it needs MOVERS. “Follow the leader” is a waste of time.
A good agent will want to meet as often as possible. He or she will talk a lot and say little. One can expect an onslaught of long, unresolved discussions.
Some agents take on a pushy, arrogant, or defensive manner:
1) To disrupt the agenda
2) To side-track the discussion
3) To interrupt repeatedly
4) To feign ignorance
5) To make an unfounded accusation against a person.Calling someone a racist, for example. This tactic is used to discredit a person in the eyes of all other group members.
Saboteurs
Some saboteurs pretend to be activists. She or he will ….
1) Write encyclopedic flyers (in the present day, websites)
2) Print flyers in English only.
3) Have demonstrations in places where no one cares.
4) Solicit funding from rich people instead of grass roots support
5) Display banners with too many words that are confusing.
6) Confuse issues.
7) Make the wrong demands.
Cool Compromise the goal.
9) Have endless discussions that waste everyone’s time. The agent may accompany the endless discussions with drinking, pot smoking or other amusement to slow down the activist’s work.Provocateurs
1) Want to establish “leaders” to set them up for a fall in order to stop the movement.
2) Suggest doing foolish, illegal things to get the activists in trouble.
3) Encourage militancy.
4) Want to taunt the authorities.
5) Attempt to make the activist compromise their values.
6) Attempt to instigate violence. Activisim ought to always be non-violent.
7) Attempt to provoke revolt among people who are ill-prepared to deal with the reaction of the authorities to such violence.Informants
1) Want everyone to sign up and sing in and sign everything.
2) Ask a lot of questions (gathering data).
3) Want to know what events the activist is planning to attend.
4) Attempt to make the activist defend him or herself to identify his or her beliefs, goals, and level of committment.Recruiting
Legitimate activists do not subject people to hours of persuasive dialog. Their actions, beliefs, and goals speak for themselves.
Groups that DO recruit are missionaries, military, and fake political parties or movements set up by agents.
Surveillance
ALWAYS assume that you are under surveillance.
At this point, if you are NOT under surveillance, you are not a very good activist!
Scare Tactics
They use them.
Such tactics include slander, defamation, threats, getting close to disaffected or minimally committed fellow activists to persuade them (via psychological tactics described above) to turn against the movement and give false testimony against their former compatriots. They will plant illegal substances on the activist and set up an arrest; they will plant false information and set up “exposure,” they will send incriminating letters [emails] in the name of the activist; and more; they will do whatever society will allow.
This booklet in no way covers all the ways agents use to sabotage the lives of sincere an dedicated activists.
If an agent is “exposed,” he or she will be transferred or replaced.
COINTELPRO is still in operation today under a different code name. It is no longer placed on paper where it can be discovered through the freedom of information act.
The FBI counterintelligence program’s stated purpose: To expose, disrupt, misdirect, discredit, and otherwise neutralize individuals who the FBI categorize as opposed to the National Interests. “National Security” means the FBI’s security from the people ever finding out the vicious things it does in violation of people’s civil liberties.
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.
1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.
2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “How dare you?” gambit.
3. Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.” (If they tend to believe the “rumors” it must be because they are simply “paranoid” or “hysterical.”)
4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.
5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nutcase,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and, of course, “rumor monger.” Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the “more reasonable” government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own “skeptics” to shoot down.
6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).
7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.
8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”
9. Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or “taking the limited hangout route.” This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.
10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.
11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster “suicide” note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven’t reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.
12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?
13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.
14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as “bump and run” reporting.
15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the “facts” furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.
16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges “expose” scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.
17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, “What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?” Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.
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