Ask yourself these questions, they might save you.

[YuriParticipant 185]

Fully accepting and becoming a MGTOW can be easy for some, very difficult for others. Especially when you are still as young as me or have gone trough life being indoctorinated and brainwashed.

For me it wasn’t as difficult realizing that pretty much the entire system is engineered againts me, but it was realizing and coming to terms with that no matter what, I will never have a meaningful relationship with a woman. For growing up I was never much of a family man, I always worked towards being a globe-trotting free thinking artistic revolutionary sort of fellow. But i hoped and was willing that along there would be a woman to call my own, which would stand alongside me, so we could build ourselves up, one that I could spend my life with, for I always mantained a stance that i don’t need a hundred women, i only wanted one. The right one. The promised one, the one everyone told me was out there waiting for me. I always knew what i wanted.

But then, I grew up. It took a while but the bitter truth dawned on me after much deliberation: the sort of woman that I am looking for simply doesn’t exist anymore. And the older I get, the more i doubt she ever existed at all, and all of this was but a big farce told to me and countless other men to make us jump into relations~~~s and marriages.

It was an utterly bitter pill to swallow, i was pleading with myself, trying to find reason where there was none. Surely, there must be at least ONE woman like that? Maybe in another country?
But no. There isn’t. Not even one. If she existed, ever, then it was probably in times past. Or in an entirely different dimension of time & space.

I would like to offer up some questions for you to ponder and ask yourself, if say you are on the edge and need a bit of a push on your road to total freedom or are thinking of trying your luck again.

Think back to the lowest, darkest moment of your life. The point at which you hit rock bottom, and ask yourself this: „If i returned there again, would she stand by me? Would she still have fancied me?“

It is very easy to „love“ me now that I am earning my own money, have my entire potentional career ahead of me and have grown out of my more awkward teenage years and look like a Slavic version of Nick Jonas. But i wasn’t always in this position. I think back to the time when i was 16 years of age and hit my low point. I was depressed, anxious, suicidal even. My family was in crippling debt and my short-term future looked bleak if there even was one. It showed on me also, with my face being a bit of a minefield and my way of talking, waling and holding myself implied weakness. Life itself is unpredictable, so i can’t guarantee that I will not be struck down so low that I will return to that state. And everytime i ask myself „Would a woman stand by me until i claw my way back out, ner, even help me do so?“ The answer is always „No. If i fall down on a Monday, she will be planning her leave on a Friday.“

Does she really love YOU? Does she even know who you are?

One of the things i realized is that a woman will never truly love you, for she will never know who you are. Your values, your beliefs, what you stand up for, what truly defines you. Those things a woman will never know, as such she will never love them and as such never truly love you. When a woman says „I love youuuuuuuu.“ what she really means is „At this particular moment in time, i really enjoy that you provide [insert whatever shallow thing].” Here is a funny exercise: ask a woman to describe you. Or listen to her describe some other man. It will never be anything of substance or of consequence. It will be just mindless s~~~ that you have heard a hundred times before.

Should a relationship really be like work? And who really is doing all the work?

A favorite modern fallacy is the term that „Relationships take work.“ Ignoring the fact that if these things don’t come naturally, they have already failed, we can deconstruct the term further. If a relationship truly is work, how should the workload be distributed? 50/50 is a favorite addition to the previous fallacy, one which implies that each party has to make a compromise 50% of the time. That is a LOT of time and effort and a lot of compromises to make. What this ends up doing is creating a situation where both parties are absolutely miserable to an equal degree as someone constantly has to back off. Realistically, it creates a situation where the man runs around like a machine trying to fulfill every desire of the woman and making himself miserable, turning into a servant, sacrificing everything just to in the end be left in the dust after the woman declares that she JUST ISN’T HAAAAAAAPPYYYYYY.

What truly do I stand to gain by being in a relationship or even being friends with a woman?

For me one of the most cringe-worthy things people tell men is that „There is no reason to not be nice to a woman. You should be always nice and build friendships with them without expecting anything back, especially not sexually.“
Let’s talk about that. What they essentialy are implying is for you to become a boyfriend that gets all the headaches of a relationship without even the measly sexual payback, working on the assumption that women somehow can provide you with something else of even remote value. F~~~ing newsflash: sex is about the only thing the modern woman is capable of providing, even if that to a measly degree. Another newsflash: we as humans are selfish beings and if you break it down to the most basic element have friends to fulfill certain needs. Be they emotional, physical or practical. Friendship with a woman won’ provide you with any of those. All you will get is a load of pain and headaches and shaming and name-calling if you have the nerve to expect something back.

In the end, is it even worth the potentional trouble and ruin it can bring upon me?

Look around you. Look at this website. Look around on the internet. Look around in your own life.
What do you see, hear and read about on a daily basis? About men having their life ruined on the simple say-so of a woman. Make no mistake: the system is stacked againts you, againts us all. What are you willing to have happen to you? Will you take your, fairly said, idiotic chance and play along and land yourself a nice jail sentence or have the rest of your career andlife ruined or will you go your own way and deal with being called a crybaby and jerk from time to time?

Me and everyone here can provide you with enough information to make that decision.
As Morpheus said to Neo: „ I can only show you the door, you have to open it yourself.“

So my fellow man, will you do it?

The right man at the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Yuri wrote:

Does she really love YOU? Does she even know who you are?

This was the question that I asked myself over and over again during the last 2 years of my marriage. I came to the conclusion that the answer was “No”. The philosophers like to ask the pious question “Does anyone ever really know anyone. The answer is “Yes” if they are willing to put the time in.

Yuri wrote:

Should a relationship really be like work? And who really is doing all the work?

I have to be frank here. Show me a relationship that didn’t take work. Showing the other person respect and not taking them for granted requires self awareness. Self awareness is not a passive mental activity IMHO. Again, something that was absolutely lacking in my ex.

Excellent post here Yuri. Excellent questions. A negative response from any of these question should be enough for any man to run, not walk, away.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

What you wrote is a fine example of how we teach ourselves just by asking questions.
You went to the water and drank on your own!
HA!

[Sagaciously SingleParticipant 214]

Great post Yuri, and wise words.

F~~~ing newsflash: sex is about the only thing the modern woman is capable of providing, even if that to a measly degree.

This is correct. The last 3 women I’ve been with were boring outside of bed. I found myself wondering why I would waste so much of my time engaging in boring and inane conversation with someone who I have nothing in common with and ultimately valued my wallet and resources above anything else.

Modern western princesses are a toxic animal we all should be very very cautious of.

"And this you can know - fear the time when Manself will not suffer and die for a concept, for this one quality is the foundation of Manself, and this one quality is man, distinctive in the universe". - John Steinbeck.

[HereticParticipant 151]

Every blue pill man needs to ask those questions and then research the answers over, and over, and over, again.

Taking the red pill was easy for me, because I already lived and thought as a MGTOW.

I’ve always hated PUAs, I’ve always hated SJWs, and I always hated traditionalism.

So the red pill wasn’t even that hard to swallow for myself.

Once you accept AWALT, ridding yourself of gynocentric bulls~~~ becomes that much easier.

[Anonymous 42]

Yuri wrote:

No. If i fall down on a Monday, she will be planning her leave on a Friday.“

The only flaw in your entire post is that she’ll be planning to leave “immediately”, and then by Friday she’ll be with one or more of her orbiters!

Money can buy me “female” love, poverty can not!

For richer or poorer, f~~~ them both! I’m a MGHOW! I walk alone! And for the most part it’s been richer!

[The_YoungParticipant 1073]

I don’t mind putting in the work for a relationship.

I don’t mind the idea of breaking my back 5 days a week to come home to a loving supportive girlfriend whom I could cuddle and watch TV and sleep with.

When I finally got into it, it turned out that girl does not exist. What does exist is lazy selfish self absorbed hoes.

So yeah. Count me out. Unless I can find a one in a billion woman like my mother, who somehow isn’t f~~~ed like the other 99.99%.

Brother, we need to stick together.

[mp357Participant 531]

Damn,good post.Thanks

[YuriParticipant 185]

This is correct. The last 3 women I’ve been with were boring outside of bed. I found myself wondering why I would waste so much of my time engaging in boring and inane conversation

Feel you on that. A few years back I thought that it was me doing something wrong, that i am a bad conversation partner. But then i noticed that whenever i talked to a fellow man we could spend hours discussing what we wanted and it was only us remembering that we should have eaten 2 hours to call it a day. Yet everytime i tried to talk to a woman I always had to keep the conversation going myself, desperately trying to entertain her and get her to look up from that god-forsaken iPhone just for her to then not retain anything. F~~~. That.

The only flaw in your entire post is that she’ll be planning to leave “immediately”, and then by Friday she’ll be with one or more of her orbiters!

Fair enough. I am now imagining every woman with a hidden “Emergency (R)Eject” button.

I have to be frank here. Show me a relationship that didn’t take work. Showing the other person respect and not taking them for granted requires self awareness.

Granted, I give you that one. I was more trying to bring across the point that these days people try to make the unworkable work, better said, the man does. Very rarely do you see a woman even making an attempt and resolving anything or backing away. When she does, you can be sure she has her own nefarious reasons.

Thank you for the responses so far gentlemen.

The right man at the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

[Sagaciously SingleParticipant 214]

You’re welcome Yuri. Thank you for your post!

"And this you can know - fear the time when Manself will not suffer and die for a concept, for this one quality is the foundation of Manself, and this one quality is man, distinctive in the universe". - John Steinbeck.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Yuri- great post.

The “love” of women seems to be conditional.
(I’ll love you if you ___ )

The “love” of women seems to be manipulative.
(I’ll love you more if you get ripped abs)

The “love” of women seems to be directed towards themselves. They don’t love you. They love themselves.

Whenever I tried to love a women, it always cost me. I’ve come to hate gold diggers. When I look successful I attract female attention. When I try to look “normal” women won’t give me the time of day. “Love” is a means for women to extract resources from men.

[EtrangereParticipant 706]

Unless I can find a one in a billion woman like my mother,

Give up the search brother , you won’t find her. If you were lucky to have a good mother , then she loved you unconditionally. I hope you enjoyed it because that is the only time you will find unconditional love from a woman ever again. I think we all search for that , but that road eventually leads us here. Men love women , women love children and animals.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6413]

I no longer believe in romantic love. I do believe women probably engage in some kind of short term infatuation with new and novel relationships which is very risky for a guy to rely upon over the long haul.

[xlrsnbrgParticipant 1786]

Great post. This is Top Gun material.

A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)

[Anonymous 1]

Yuri wrote:

sex is about the only thing the modern woman is capable of providing,

And they believe this is the most coveted of offerings. Sexual satisfaction is fleeting anyway.

[perpedes66Participant 259]

Thank you very much Yuri, great post. I have send your questions to my 21 year old son (he is IN LOVE and 100% Blue Pill).

[YuriParticipant 185]

The “love” of women seems to be conditional.
(I’ll love you if you ___ )

The “love” of women seems to be manipulative.
(I’ll love you more if you get ripped abs)

The “love” of women seems to be directed towards themselves. They don’t love you. They love themselves.

Thank you very much Yuri, great post. I have send your questions to my 21 year old son (he is IN LOVE and 100% Blue Pill).

He is the very same age as me then, and as such i can see that it might be a difficult road for him. However, Prefer Peace to Piece might just have given you extra canon fodder. I shall add my own.

Unconditional love from a woman. Unconditional love. Love.
If you as a boy had a good mother, that is the one time in life you truly felt unconditional love from a woman. And few realize that it was the last time too. But most of us don’t do so and men go trough life, be it on purpose or not looking for someone that even is slightly close to our mother.
Yeah, girls? When a man says that you remind him of his mother it’s about the BEST compliment he can give you, as what he is saying is: you remind me of the one woman that ever loved me unconditionally.

But love from woman to man is very much conditional. Why not have your son try it out for himself?
This is hinging on PUA territory, but conduct a little experiment. Have him walk around in a suit, then maybe in a band t-shirt while carrying around a guitar case (only case needed), then put him in a biker jacket. Maybe get him a new haircut or something. Tell him to take note what will happen when it comes to women.

I guarantee the attention will start flowing. For suddenly he is “The Rich Srs Bsns Man”, or “The Free-thinking Musician” or “The Rebel Bad Boy Biker”.
All i described there were massive stereotypes, but women think in such terms. Because what does each of those represent to her? A fantasy. One she has had since a little age growing up on Disney movies and RomComs. And this way you are simply providing for her to check that fantasy off her list. She doesn’t love you, but only the fantasy you provide.

Provide for her. Women and manginas will often pounce and yell that “This truly IS love. We all simply want something to have provided for.”

But ask yourself this: If that is the case, then why all the talk about unconditional love? Was it truly just a machination?

Yes, my good man, it was. So knowing all this, do you truly want to be a provider to someone which will never truly know who you are, and never truly love you?

The right man at the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Whenever I hear someone say, “Relationships with women are hard work”, I am always quick to agree. Then I say, “I already have a job that’s a lot of hard work, but it pays. Why the hell would I want a relationship that requires more hard work, but does not pay?”.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Anonymous 42]

BrainPilot wrote:

Why the hell would I want a relationship that requires more hard work, but does not pay?”.

I dunno Brain, I found it’s allot of hard work with endless fruitless hours, then you have to pick up tab and pay for your own labor! And if that’s not bad enough, they come back years later with a civil suite to finish you off!
No matter how you slice it, SLAVERY!

[rorickParticipant 682]

Being a MGTOW I very rarely get the feeling to be in a relationship with women, but when it does the one question i always ask to myself is “Will she like me or talk to me or hang out with me if i was a homeless guy begging in the streets” the answer would be a “BIG NO”, and even if i ever meet a girl aka unicorn in future who would,.. I would happily pass her on to some nice guys who are much better than me.. Cause to me being with a woman is definitely not worth the trouble.

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