I don’t hide my MGTOW views, but neither do I express them unless the situation calls for it (like when I’ve already engaged in a conversation that drifts toward feminism or women’s rights or some such, or if somebody directly asks my opinion). In short, my close friends and most of my family members know my views on relationships and marriage, though I don’t think I’ve explicitly mentioned the term “MGTOW” to more than one or two of them.
Last year I attended a semi-distant relative’s birthday party and ended up seated at a table with an outspoken feminist – a retired M.D., a distant relative on my father’s side, and also an old friend of my mother.
We talked about a bunch of different subjects, and eventually ended up on feminism. I told her about how, once you adjust for hours worked, overtime compensation, profession and so on that the wage gap no longer exists, and that modern feminism continually tries to milk “inequalities” that haven’t existed for decades by deliberately skewing statistics. I told her about the inequalities in the justice system, how women get shorter sentences for the exact same crime, how courts almost always give them custody of children even if the women in question end up deliberately lying to the courts and police officers and others, use alcohol or other drugs, and so on. I told her about how modern feminists don’t want equality in the workforce – after all, they don’t want “affirmative action” in professions that lack sociopolitical power or carry inherent danger – but rather only want power. Etc, etc.
She defended feminism, talking about how when she first started working as an M.D. the female doctors got paid less for the exact same work, had less likelihood of promotions, and so on. I smiled and explained to her the three “waves” of feminism, how the first wave did mostly good things, the second wave brought more of a mixed bag, and the third wave has pretty much done 99% bad stuff. I also explained that she belonged to the second wave and that modern feminism didn’t look anything at all like it did during her time in the movement. While she conceded to my arguments on some of the various points, she refused to believe that third wave feminism had deviated so much from earlier waves, despite the many examples I used. I urged her to go double-check everything I said once she got home. I don’t know if she did or not, but she definitely seemed troubled (as opposed to knee-jerk upset/in denial) by my words, so I’d like to think that she did some research after.
Her reactions give me hope that the whole AWALT thing may actually have more to do with learned behaviors as opposed to genetics (though genetics obviously still play a part – she had definitely received the gift of higher-than-average intelligence) and that women may one day deviate from that path. I actually have read up on things relating to this subject, and it appears to me that, at least in the past hundred years or so that I’ve read up on, unicorns have existed, albeit always in the minority, and sadly one which has shrunk with each passing generation to the point where I have never personally encountered one, nor have I heard of anyone encountering one in my generation.
In any case, while I don’t usually bring up the subject of feminism and MGTOW on my own, I don’t hesitate to say my piece when somebody else brings it up first, for good or ill.
There lies serenity in Chaos. Seek ye the eye of the hurricane.
anonymousyam 4 years ago.
