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I once heard a phrase that stuck with me and it went along the lines, “Women like money, so men make it. Men like pretty women, so they become it” Essentially, the message is that, whether consciously or not, our actions are driven by the desire to appeal to the opposite sex. The reason it stuck is because I find some truth to that and as shallow as it may appear, I am not afraid to admit it. But I think that connection also exists on a deeper level, one that brings the two sexes together for the purpose of procreation.
Anyway, if that holds true then how do we explain the self-absorbed, materialistic, entitled princess. You know, the one you see on facebook with oversized sunglasses indoors, posing with her arm as a tea kettle handle, with duck lips and a peace sign, aspiring to be come a Real Housewife of ________. Are women evolving or devolving to no longer appeal to men, or do some men actually find this character appealing?
Women are devolving due to the fact thirsty simps put up with the behavior you describe.
Fuck this planet.I get told this a lot by feminists/women in general.
They say WE are to blame for gynocentrism.
The reason women don’t have to sign up for a draft in the military is because MEN made that decision.
The reason women don’t pay for dates…yeah, our fault. Because women apparently can’t pull out their own wallet and pay (since, you know, the alleged “wage gap” or some other excuse).
The reason women don’t help out with the yard, car repairs, plumbing, you name it…is because they’re fragile or that they’ll get too “dirty and sweaty and gross” and that’s a “man’s job.”
Cap has it right. Simps find this appealing. The women leave the door open, and the men walk right in to the biggest CON of all time.
The CON is simply this: Men think that they will have an equal seat at the table with a partner that will work with them to find happiness together.
The truth is that the door is a mouse trap, and that the men get to live out their lives on their knees as wage slaves, emotional slaves and sex slaves. If a man escapes the trap, it will be at a significant cost to him, and the woman who set the trap will be enriched forever. That’s how “equality” works…slavery, followed by a redistribution of wealth.
Simps, by definition, are oblivious to the fact that it is a trap, and they perceive the “princess” to be the icing on the cake. They don’t know that the “princess” is the cheese.
BVC
Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.
There is a flip side to that.
I was at a red light once – waiting to cross and a beautiful MacLaren pulled up – roaring a bit. The woman I was with ( i knew her) shook her head and said “guys in cars like that are always over-compensating for something” – implying his penis was small and he was making up for it by spending $ 250K on a car.. So I said “Oh!!! well then I guess because I’m walking , that would tell you I’m hung like a mule, right???”
See, women think men buy amazing cars – JUST to attract women. How arrogant would the female have to be to think EVERYTHING A MAN DOES — all the work to be successful and years of labour — is for the sole purpose of attracting/impressing women?
That’s why women say things like “That don’t impress me much”.
(even Shania Twain wrote a song by that name)They actually believe that men are trying to *impress* them – by purchasing a car.
But guess what:
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He’s not buying it to “impress” her. He’s buying it for HIMSELF – against her wishes and violent objection. Your girlfriend or wife will hate it when you run out and buy the car you always wanted too. Now the same arrogant female is forced to accept that bulls~~~ she believed all those years is nothing but bulls~~~. Hence the outrage. Men don’t labor for decades for the purpose of attracting women they never met. It’s a side effect.. It’s an after-effect and a by-product. Just because flashy cars WORK at at also attracting women… doesn’t mean he set out to do it – for that reason only.
When you have $ 100K to throw down on a car, are you gonna buy the car that appeals to HER? No. You’re gonna buy that car YOU want – for yourself. That 66 vette convertible you played with when you were 8 or saw in Road & Track magazine when you were 18.
That’s when a woman would rather you SELL your fancy car and waste your cash on a necklace for her selfish ass – just to “impress” her.
Are we to “blame”? For what. Building amazing s~~~ , making money, inventing stuff, stretching the limits of technology and endurance?? How is that a bad thing? The answer is apparent when you ask yourself: “Did man invent the dishwasher & dryer to make a woman’s life easier?? Or did he really invent it so he wouldn’t need a woman at all.“.
Only a woman thinks everything men do is for HER.
You invent the dishwasher because it will make washing dishes easier.
A woman thinks you invented the dishwasher to oppress her — and impress her.SIMPS will do anything, say anything, (and buy anything) to impress and attract women. But they eventually learn that it does not work. It does not get them laid. It does not get them more “respect”. It actually works in the opposite way that was intended, and it’s repulsive to women. Except a woman wouldn’t know the difference – just by looking at the car. All she sees is the hood ornament and in her twisted mind, she will just automatically think he did it all for HER.
Who cares what she thinks. If any man is out there working, and buying s~~~ to impress women, the only person he has to blame his himself.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I get told this a lot by feminists/women in general.
They say WE are to blame for gynocentrism.
The reason women don’t have to sign up for a draft in the military is because MEN made that decision.
The reason women don’t pay for dates…yeah, our fault. Because women apparently can’t pull out their own wallet and pay (since, you know, the alleged “wage gap” or some other excuse).
The reason women don’t help out with the yard, car repairs, plumbing, you name it…is because they’re fragile or that they’ll get too “dirty and sweaty and gross” and that’s a “man’s job.”Nevermind that they could move their ass and actually change their behaviour, but it’s easier to blame men for “the system” and keep the benefits that way.
No acountability.It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.
The mass culture devours weak minds. The idols of mass culture promote money, sex and having fun fun fun. Individuals are told they are special, almost god-like and they get intoxicated of these thoughts. There is no authority for god-like beings. Responsibility is forgotten. Morals are considered a relict. Work is for untermensch. Entitlement only remains.
Diversity of humankind and hard work retreat as conformity and mediocrity take over the developed nations.
The world is open and education is accessible for the majority of people. Internet could have boosted the diversity and enlightenment of humankind immensely, but instead they use it to admire themselves on social media and look for mindless entertainment. What could come of this? Some are able to ignore mass culture, but i guess the majority of people lead us to decadence and degeneration. In a way it is like a zombie apocalypse.
Blaming is useless if we agree that free will exists and everyone had a variety of choices. Who forced her to become an entitled princess? Who forced him to hoard money for a trophy wife? They could have overcome themselves.Might I add a quote from Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra:
I teach you the overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him?… All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood, and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is ape to man? A laughing stock or painful embarrassment. And man shall be that to overman: a laughingstock or painful embarrassment. You have made your way from worm to man, and much in you is still worm. Once you were apes, and even now, too, man is more ape than any ape… The overman is the meaning of the earth. Let your will say: the overman shall be the meaning of the earth… Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman—a rope over an abyss … what is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end.
Hmm. I think reflexively denying the OP’s point isn’t going to get us anywhere, Cap285. I feel you.. and you’re not wrong, but I’d like to address this one a bit if I can.
I think we have to be very, very careful what we ascribe to intentions, and what we ascribe to inherent nature.
On the one hand, we have choices. We make them all the time. So, from one viewpoint, what the OP is saying is right.
However, we are also evil monkeys, and AS evil monkeys, we do have biological tendencies that are essentially hardwired into us. So from that viewpoint, the OP is wrong.
I think the truth is somewhere in-between.
The closest we can come to understanding this whole thing is looking at untouched aboriginal cultures, and at Apes. And when we do that, we see patterns.
In Bonobos, they have dealt with this by being incredibly promiscuous. Sex to them is like hugging is to us. And what they do to raise young is the whole band of apes raises them.. there isn’t strong pair bonding there, nor is there mate guarding. They are essentially what we would call ‘pansexual’
Chimps, it turns out, are promiscuous too, but culturally chimps are more like us. They get into mate guarding and all of that… the classic idea that is put forward.. they are essentially polygamous. However, the female chimps ‘cheat’ on the Alphas. The Betas bring them food and are nice to them when they are not in estrus, so when that time comes, they find ways to get away from the Alpha and have sex with the Betas as well, thus giving them a chance to reproduce.
And again, with chimps, essentially the whole band raises the babies.
Baboons are like chimps as well. However.. in one interesting study, a weird thing happened that turned all of what we thought about primate behavior on its head.
A band of Baboons was doing its baboon thing. Mate guarding, a few very strong Alphas at the top being assholes to everyone else, and so on. They were located near a facility that was throwing out meat.. a restaurant near the bush. So, what would happen is that when this occured, the Alphas would get the pick of the dumpster first, and then everyone else would get something. As you would expect.
One day, the restaurant threw out some nasty meat that was infected with something nasty. They don;t know what. However, the Alphas apparently didn’t smell the nasty, and ate the ‘best’ meat first, as they always did, and then allowed everyone else access.
The Alphas all died.
Suddenly, the entire band.. and I am talking 100%, became totally egalitarian. They started behaving like Bonobos. This was unprecedented in primate studies, so they watched them very very carefully. Yep. No Alphas emerged after months of study.. the whole band became cooperative, sharing everything, and grew larger, and became more healthy as a result.The normal hierarchy of Baboon life was gone.
After that generation died, the behavior remained. No hierarchical structures emerged, even after the parents started dying off.
Looking at aboriginal cultures, there are a whole slew of them that don’t practice monogamy at all, and the children are either raised by the whole tribe, or by the women’s family. The Mosuo are an example of a modern version of this in a large population (hundreds of thousands of them). There are even ones that believe in shared Fathering, where essentially a kid doesn’t have a primary Father, but a bunch of what we would consider ‘Godfathers’, in that they take responsibility for helping to raise the child in some way.
So, maybe.. just maybe.. the argument from biology isn’t as strong as we thought. Maybe our biological tendencies are wired into us, given certain circumstances, and are not inevitable. That if circumstances change, behaviors that we thought were written in stone, could change.. virtually overnight.
What this looks like to me is a simple proposition:
Female primates desire safety and security for their young, and so they gravitate towards ANY situation that accomplishes that goal, whether this is going with the strongest male, staying with her family, marrying the richest guy, whatever. And female primates MUST spend a lot of the time when the child is young nursing and caring for that child, so they cannot hunt or gather as well during that time. So they want extra support and protection to insure they and their child don’t die. Let’s call this “Moar Security’. So from this instinct, we can see how Hypergamy can result from a cultural situation like we have today.
Male primates just want to make sure their genes are passed on some how, in a protected way. So they engage in various mating strategies like polygamy, tournament, etc etc. If what they have to do to make sure their genes are passed on is work hard to bring resources to the table, they’ll do that. If they don’t, they wont. Let’s call that ‘Moar Access’ We can see how the whole plethora of male behaviors comes out of this as well.
In an abundant situation, where noone is lacking resources, what will necessarily happen is that everyone will get more promiscuous, since women will feel very secure, and so they will just engage in sex with many men. Men will do the same, and not be concerned about mate guarding, since they can get however much action they want with almost no effort. But that assumes that cultural norms are deactivated (like the Baboons). If not, old behaviors based on scarcity will continue.
So I think that we might be somewhere on the scale of abundant, considering that even though poverty is high, in the US very few people are starving. Hungry yes.. not starving. However, we are still engaged in cultural norms that came from a long history of scarcity, which were put upon us by various forces including religious and secular culture.
This would explain at least part of the crap we are now dealing with, in terms of what we are calling ‘female nature’. It also explains what we are calling ‘male nature’.
I honestly have ZERO idea how to deal with this directly, but it really does seem that although none of this is our ‘fault’ per se, our actions do have a powerful effect on female behavior. And vice versa (or we wouldn’t be here).
MGTOW seems to be that reaction by thinking men who are trying to solve the problem, not only of men, but of society.. or.. at least.. that’s what I would like to think. 🙂
So, Mr. OP, my answer to your question is “No, I don’t think we are to Blame, but we are responsible for our part in changing it.. and that is EXACTLY what we are doing here.”
Peace.
I read a post here about “blame” and how it it’s the wrong word to use. Who is responsible? is the real question. Princess behavior is encouraged the second they cut the chord. I knew early on women don’t dress, put on make up, buy a Coach purse or do their hair for men. They do it for other women. No man gives a s~~~ about her jeweled manicure or that it took her 3 hours to do it, and a woman doesn’t care about the $3000 rims on a s~~~ty lowered Honda. That’s like a boob job on your grandmother.
Who’s responsible for the toilet selfie-obessed princess making duck lips on Facebook? She was like that before Facebook. Females are self-absorbed. Everything is twisted around to be all about her. If she could get her way, everything you do should be all about her too. I have had women look me in the eye and not see anything wrong with saying “I want a man who will make me the number one priority in his life”. Maybe that’s why she’s on facebook taking SELFIES in the toilet.
The people responsible are the morons who like that s~~~ and follow Kim Kardashian to the toilet. A man would tell her to put that f~~~ing phone away woman and do something worthwhile with your life.
MGTOW seems to be that reaction by thinking men who are trying to solve the problem, not only of men, but of society.. or.. at least.. that’s what I would like to think.
I don’t think MGTOW are interested in solving the problem. That train has gone. My MGTOW path is going in one direction: forward. I don’t create problems along the way and I don’t care about the f~~~ed up attitudes in women anymore. Her problem.
Mr. Steve Austin, respect 🙂 I used to have the whole set!!! Plus the moon base! I sold it to a collector when I was down.. at least I know its being taken care of.
Well, since MGTOW is about Going Our Own Way, I would suppose we can take that any way we like, no? I totally support you in your choices, mah friend (as they say in those support groups). In my case, I feel like looking for a way to help. But that’s my choice, and I don’t think any of us can, at this point, be asked to do anything different than we ourselves want to do.
Maybe I’ll do some YooToob videos, like some of the other guys who feel compelled to service. Which is why my comment was what it was. It seems the luminaries are trying to help, so I generalized that. My bad. I’ll think more on it.
Peace.
1. Funny you mention primates, Baboons specifically. They’re good for a few giggles. I get many laughs from Baboon Island at Brookfield Zoo. Other than that, yes, we are evil monkeys as Terrance Popp has pointed out. However, our rational thought and ability to overcome instinct is what separates us from God Damn animals. I’d like to think I’m somewhat better the things that hump anything at will and tear each other limb from limb in the wild.
2. MGTOW are not interested in solving problems, especially the ones women created themselves. Leave that to the MRA’s. Let them put out the fire they started while I watch from a safe distance. I won’t chase grown people at work to do their job and I sure has Hell won’t fix a problem women created of their own volition. Hockey has started and many video games are coming out. I don’t have the time.
Fuck this planet.My bad. I’ll think more on it.
@madscientist I don’t think you were wrong. Liked your insight on the primates and the breakdown. Just like you, I have zero idea how to fix the situation, but it isn’t my creation. I have been the guilty primate who offered a woman a banana with a chance to mate with her, but I always felt it was my duty. Men do these things out of a sense of duty. We provide, rescue people, risk their lives, give years of labor to find an answer to a question and men still do it. Women will also tell men what we should be doing out of duty for them.
F~~~ it. What do women do out of duty? There is no mention of it. They don’t think they have a “duty” to fulfill. Tell a woman you expect to do her part (or you want expect fairness in exchange for what you offer) and you get hollering about “sexism”. That’s the way things are now. Im not GMOW because I want to fix it. They broke it and they can fix it themselves. All I know is I’m not to blame for any of it. That’s how I live with myself.
“Oh is that too heavy for you princess? Carry it yourself”. My sense of duty for a useless t~~~s is gone.
Blame for what? Don’t look at me.
As for the rest of the thread, good work by MadScientist. Well done.
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What do women do out of duty?Make babies, essentially. And nurse them while they are young. Women are not expected to be responsible for anything else in society which would have consequences if they did not do it.
And now, even that is being eroded.
This is really the point of a lot of other commentary, interestingly. Women have never been ‘oppressed’ by “Men’ as a group. They have been a protected class, and have traded visible and evident political/economic power for that protection, and in the past were the primary enforcers of gender roles (they still are now, to a great extent). This is a holdover from the old days of many children, short life span. It’s been said that this is the worst system possible, except when you consider all the others.. which is kind of how evolution works. The least effort way to solve a problem that will insure that life continues for a species.
Anyway.. I have also met a lot of s~~~ty and sociopathic men. This isn’t about Women being anymore capable of evil than men, or at least, I hope people understand that. This is about a structural difference in society that actively encourages ‘bad’ behavior from women.. indeed rewards it. So, more women engage in this kind of behavior because it is rewarded.
Rational thinking has got little to do with it, I think. On a large scale, that seems to break down, unless a population is equivalently educated. Even then, we have seen any number of cases where mob mentality has taken hold of educated people.
We are not that different from chimps. We hold ourselves above them at a distance we believe to be very great, but honestly.. I don’t think it is. I think that we are just one small step away from them, and that this step was the tipping point for our species. Tipping points can create great change, but they are only a small increment away from not tipping.. the vast gulf shrinks.
Spetsnaz has said that you can’t see Truth without Awareness. And that Awareness itself is s double edged sword. I agree.
We are Apes. We really need to recognize that, and to start letting go of the exceptionalism that we have had conditioned into us from birth. If we don’t work on that, we’ll keep running around in circles, casting blame.. it’s like chasing your shadow.
We, as men, were born with an instinctual drive to attractive women. This instinctual attraction is certainly not voluntary and far stronger than most would admit. Many women purposefully manipulate this weakness to abuse men. In this way you can say that it’s our fault as men for being born with these instinctual drives but that would be unfair. People who exploit the vulnerabilities of others for their own profit are rightfully labeled scoundrels or leaches.
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