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I was crossing some YT videos and I’ve found this gem:
This video talks about how we somehow get lost in the sea of crap information, led by an insurmountable wave of superfluous and irrelevant news that never goes away, because the internet never forget, like “Is Trump racist”, or “Is Hillary Clinton demented”, or “How can we overcome our microaggressions”?
I mean, why such information is relevant? Why should Trump being racist matter more than how the US is debt-ridden, or how the global economy is funded by debt, instead of income? Why do we care more about what other people are doing, instead of what WE ARE DOING?This petty fight among the two sides not only is stupid, but it is DETRIMENTAL to human evolution. In fact, this “century” where everyone is exalted due to “political issues”, has forced us to devolve so much, that we need a total colapse of this society in order to get things back to where they should be…
Have we lost ourselves to the endless sea of microissues so badly, that are not only irrelevant, but ridiculous for us to even pay attention to them, effectively hindering our progress and our future? Are we that easy to control? Are we avoiding nasty truths, in order to preserve our “sanity”, through “convenient lies”?
Are we the products of our choices, and therefore we are free to be ourselves, or are we the byproduct of the choices presented to us, chosen for us by others?
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
I guess this only matters if YOU CHOOSE to pay attention to the Matrix at large….Personally, No Time and No Concerns, for ANY of THEIR CRAP…
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
I don’t think it’s quite that straight forward. I wouldn’t say that other people make choices for us, but we are also easily manipulated by others, particularly when don’t have any information to confirm/deny the truth and/or being what we’re being told matches up with our feelings/what we want to belief. Our biology compels us to believe what we are told. On top of that, once we’ve established a belief in our minds, we are very resistant to changing that belief. It can cause a lot of stress, forcing us to consider our past and future actions, who we associate with and possibly subject ourselves to shame and ridicule. Even when we are currently being shamed for our believes we are still resistant to change in the face of facts.
So take for example a man following a blue pill life. He’s been told and trained since birth that women are virtuous and that marriage is wonderful. His home life, his parents, his school, his media all present him with this as a given, so he naturally accepts it without question. He has no reason not to. He does hear some ramblings that this dream isn’t true, but considered such a thing is going to cause a lot of harm to him in the short term, so his mind rejects it for his own protection. Then he gets a GF or married and the truth is fully exposed to him. The harm is compounded by the fact that her behavior broke his entire world view. His emotions are in shock, he followed the rules he was instructed to and yet this still happened?
Now he has a chose to evaluate everything he’s been told and accepted, and great stress and cost to him, or try this off as an exception. She was a NAWALT. The exception chose is usually much more appealing, less stressful and allowing him to give the worldview that’s been burned into his brain.
This sort of thing happens with many choices we come across. Republicans are bad. Abortion is good, Religious is evil, Guns are good, there is a rape culture, etc. You can present people with the undeniable facts, and yet they cannot simply except that they’ve been lied to. I’ve recently watch some “Louder with Crowder/Change My Mind” videos and this happens every time. They see the facts and can’t give any valid arguements to support thier position, yet still cannot just accept and need time to adjust. It is in our biology.
This, IMO, why finally accepting a new world view that lines up with what we see can often bring a euphoric feeling. We have been freed from the chains that bound us. It doesn’t matter what it is. Taking the red pill, from a religious standpoint, they call it being born again. It can drive us forward past the complications that are going to occur from changing our views.
So no, I wouldn’t say either of the options are fully accurate. Usually, choices are made based on incomplete information and to avoid stress, becoming difficult to change once set. Usually the people who are manipulating us fully believe their views as well, and partially want us to adopt the view as it gives them more stability and peace in their chose. They are not perpetuating something the know is a lie, but they will defend it as best they can to prevent bring on all the harm that comes with adopting a new world view.
Ok. Then do it.
Memes should probably be renamed to something else because the troll memes robbed the objective meaning. The objective meme (Memetics) is too important to just let it slide into meaningless slang LOLz on Fakebook.
Memes and Memeplexes are MORE POWERFUL than Genes. That is too important to ignore. Infact, Memes can eradicate and exterminate Genes.
When you break things down to their basic components, all the universe is, is Memes, Genes, Electromagnetic Force, Gravity and Elements. That’s pretty much it folks! Yet if ask people what a Meme is, they think its a one-image comic strip.
Are we the products of our choices, and therefore we are free to be ourselves, or are we the byproduct of the choices presented to us, chosen for us by others?
This is all besides the point. The video and your questions don’t go deep enough. The real truth is there are no choices but these philosophical truths are too counter-intuitive or obscurely complex for most people to understand or accept, therefore the conversation is literally pointless. Nothing comes from it but frustration.
If you tell people they’re Biologically Determined and that their consciousness’ are nothing but evo-psych relics of natural selection whose only purpose was to eradicate fear and confusion so that we could adapt and survive in a hostile COLD, jigsaw of infinite energy and matter called spacetime which is constantly folding in on itself…Well they tend to not believe you! They ANTHROPOMORPHIZE an explanation for it all because they can’t handle it intellectually or emotionally. Facts and PROVEN science right in their face doesnt matter! Emotions trump FACTS, thats the truth.
I would not worry about the Information Age though bro. Nature has a way of eliminating redundancy. Currently we have a lot of redundancy. All this DENYING our origins and biology. All this modernity clashing with nature. NATURE is going to win the long race and put the hurt on us bigtime. Nothing is new under the Sun. All is toil
Both.
"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.
Someone chooses the information and world view that we are programmed with (engineering consent) and then we make uninformed choices based on the manipulated world view and information.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
After writing about this for a long time, and way to much, I saved it to a Word document. So, here is the Faust version.
Don’t ask yourself if you have a choice. You won’t like the answer.
The worst kind of discovery, is finding yourself. Not everyone is ready to do that. Or capable.
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I like it iMickey! I too struggle with brevity even though I know its the most proven method for planting the seed
After writing about this for a long time, and way to much, I saved it to a Word document. So, here is the Faust version.
Don’t ask yourself if you have a choice. You won’t like the answer.
The worst kind of discovery, is finding yourself. Not everyone is ready to do that. Or capable.I have already descent in the heart of darkness, brother. I know my ugly face, and I know the monster that lies within the layers of civility I imposed on myself.
Still, I am quite interested in your writings about the subject, if you have made them public. If not, no problem. It is too personal to share, I think…What I do question though, is if these layers of civility I imposed on myself were really my own creation, or if I am simply a collection of amalgamated beliefs, condensed into the civility I possess was given by others. And if those beliefs are not mine, how can I wade through the sea of endless bulls~~~ that clogs up my evolution? Is it possible? If that is true, then how can I call my accomplishments and successes “my own”? Is “my own” something true?
I want to be free. To break away from all those things that tries to ensnare my mind to idiotic things that hinder my progress, that hinders my evolution as a man and a human being. I am tired of belonging to the mediocracy.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
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