are we being lied to? I think so

[WallyParticipant]

First of all, I aplogize for lurking a bit of late but I don’t feel it’s necessary to respond to topics I find interesting if you gentlemen are responding in a manner that I already feel needs no response, perhaps I should.

Anyways just got back from a dive trip to the Cayman Islands and had a blast swimming with sharks, turtles and larg wrecks, my passion is underwater photography and I had a blast.

Love you guys and enjoy hearing about your passions as well. It’s been one year for me and I felt so alone until I found this website but no more, MGTOW is freedom.

Now to the title of my topic. Sitting in a meeting today at work my boss made the statement ” 91% of people with children with disabilities get divorced.” I made the observation at one point that it seems there are so many syndromes out there almost everyone has one. I know we are looking at the law and how we determine disabilities. I am an ccupational therapist and have a fair understanding of disabilities. But it brings the thought to my mind.. I think the divorce rate of 50% is a lie to keep men from realizing the truth. Let’s face it, if the divorce rate was reported to be 51% or 55% a psychological effect would come in that men would realize the farce that marriage is and many more would wake up and say no. Granted I have no statistics or studies to make this claim, but something feels off with the way the government reports this. What do you gentlemen think?

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

not only do they say 45-50%, they say that it’s often the same offenders. people who get divorced once often get divorced a 2nd or 3rd time.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Wally wrote:

men would realize the farce that marriage is and many more would wake up and say no.

Thats why they lie.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Wally wrote:

I think the divorce rate of 50% is a lie to keep men from realizing the truth. Let’s face it, if the divorce rate was reported to be 51% or 55% a psychological effect would come in that men would realize the farce that marriage is and many more would wake up and say no. Granted I have no statistics or studies to make this claim, but something feels off with the way the government reports this. What do you gentlemen think?

That’s a very good observation. Its obvious that if the real statistics were published, more men would lose faih in the institution of marriage….and a lot of people would be affected. Marriage is a $300 billion industry…. so you can guess how many will lose their livelihoods.

So people who publish the statistics have no other option but to lie.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Al BundyParticipant 245]

Wally wrote:

Granted I have no statistics or studies to make this claim, but something feels off with the way the government reports this. What do you gentlemen think?

If by “government” you mean the United States feral government, I would have to ask you what statistics you think they aren’t cooking at this point. The feral government is actively engaged in a disinformation campaign against the populace on multiple fronts. Frankly, if we knew the truth about any number of the issues facing America, we’d probably kill them all without a second thought. But to your question: Yes, I believe 50% is an intentional understatement. Unsustainable growth is the only way to prop up the house of cards, and that means breeding. People don’t form families when they know it’s a losing proposition, so you lie to them about their odds. That’s part of the reason the feds have thrown the doors open to the world’s refuse, because the one thing they seem to be able to do is breed (usually into mass poverty, but nobody seems to have thought that one through).

[W]e are MGTOW. We eat shaming language like tic tacs.

--chir

I have known more men destroyed by the desire to have wife and child and to keep them in comfort than I have seen destroyed by drink and harlots.

--William Butler Yeats

[OzguyParticipant 182]

Varun wrote:

That’s a very good observation. Its obvious that if the real statistics were published, more men would lose faih in the institution of marriage….and a lot of people would be affected. Marriage is a $300 billion industry…. so you can guess how many will lose their livelihoods.

Really,,,?
I’ve been to “Family court in Australia….Then promptly left the country. I don’t care what they say the statistics are. There’s no way in H I’ll do that again (marriage)..!!

[the roadParticipant 3125]

I don’t know. I believe that the numbers are probably wrong but not sure if it’s because of an ulterior motive or just the inability to produce the real numbers. Almost everyone I know seems to have been divorced but that is just my perception over the course of my lifetime. Just the fact that the divorce rate is 50% now is enough to steer me away from marriage, add on the fact that women are greedy disgusting pieces of s~~~ in this generation just seals the deal.

At this point, even if vagimony was repealed and gone, and there were no legal penalties for getting married, I still don’t think I could do it. Women in this day and age are just not in sync with me. It might be me that is out of sync, out of touch, etc. I’m a nice dude that has been walked on too many times and it finally made me say f~~~ it. Especially now that I have a child, how the f~~~ can I allow some piece of s~~~ to attempt to steal the resources that I provide for him?

#MANOUT

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

the road wrote:

I believe that the numbers are probably wrong but not sure if it’s because of an ulterior motive or just the inability to produce the real numbers.

Of course they can produce the true numbers thats why you file for divorce as well as get a marriage license. Can you imagine a stat that says “80% of all marriages end in divorce and 75% are filed by women”. Men are masters at checks and balances so he’ll run for the hills. Just like they lie about poll numbers to sway the public to what they think is the popular pick (groupthink),they sway marriage stats just enough to make you think you have a shot to make it,but the house always wins.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To Give wrote:

but the house always wins.

Even if you “win” you still lose. I have personally only seen two kinds of marriages: temporary ones ending in crushing divorce, and miserable ones that would be better off divorcing (but, you know, “cheaper to keep her” and all that crap). I have never, ever, seen a “successful” marriage, at least not as far as the man is concerned.

What are the incentives for a man to get married anyways? What can a man get from marriage that he can’t get without being married? I mean for real, not some touchy feely bulls~~~ made up by women to pretend they contribute something.

Why the f~~~ do men do that s~~~ to themselves?

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Varun wrote:

Wally wrote:

I think the divorce rate of 50% is a lie to keep men from realizing the truth. Let’s face it, if the divorce rate was reported to be 51% or 55% a psychological effect would come in that men would realize the farce that marriage is and many more would wake up and say no. Granted I have no statistics or studies to make this claim, but something feels off with the way the government reports this. What do you gentlemen think?

That’s a very good observation. Its obvious that if the real statistics were published, more men would lose faih in the institution of marriage….and a lot of people would be affected. Marriage is a $300 billion industry…. so you can guess how many will lose their livelihoods.

So people who publish the statistics have no other option but to lie.

300 Billion is the global marriage industry, that does not tell the true picture because the West bulls~~~ marriage is mingled with other country more sensible marrige.

For a better picture, US marriage industry is $40 billion to $51 billion however the divorce industry alone is $50 to $175 Billion!!!

Divorce Is Big Business

Why they keep encourage people to marry? Why the law encourage divorce fanatically? Marriage Rape and Divorce Rape! A lot of people income depend on your marriage!

That’s is why MRA cannot win, which government would give up such lucrative divorce money? The only way the government will give up is when nobody marry anymore hence no money.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Which of the Cayman Islands did you visit? I’ve been to Brac and the shore dives are very kick-ass.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[WallyParticipant]

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

Which of the Cayman Islands did you visit? I’ve been to Brac and the shore dives are very kick-ass.

Went to all three Islands, started the week at Grand Cayman for a day, then crossed over to Little Cayman for 2 days, 2 dives on the Keith Tibbetts, finished on the Great Wall at Lttle Cayman. I haven’t done shore diving at The Brac, will have to check it next time. If it’s comparable to Little Cayman it has to be fantastic. Love the Caymans, I know there is better diving in the Pacific but it’s so easy to get to, and I don’t have to deal with the nasty jet lag I get with the South Pacific.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[Ho Lee Fuk, MGTOW!Participant 100]

50% percent is pretty much a coin toss. Unfortunately that number psychologically brings out the compulsive gambler psyche in many men, because even odds don’t necessarily make a good bet if the reward isn’t greater than the risk.

What they fail to mention is all those guys in “Cheaper to keep her” marriages who are miserable to the core, they only mentioned the ones who got out. I come from a traditional south east asian background & if it were socially acceptable (generational thing), majority of my uncles/aunts would be divorced as opposed to a few, but they just stick it out because of societal pressures, even though they’re unhappy.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

the road wrote:

At this point, even if vagimony was repealed and gone, and there were no legal penalties for getting married, I still don’t think I could do it. Women in this day and age are just not in sync with me. It might be me that is out of sync, out of touch, etc. I’m a nice dude that has been walked on too many times and it finally made me say f~~~ it. Especially now that I have a child, how the f~~~ can I allow some piece of s~~~ to attempt to steal the resources that I provide for him?

I get it. I’m a nice guy that has been walked on too many times too. At some point you realize that either you need to change or not play the game any more. But seriously, why would I change? There’s nothing wrong with ME. To have to change from being a good person in order to play the game tells me it’s the wrong game.

And I fully understand being protective over your kids. My daughters already have enough crazy in their life from their mom, they don’t need me inviting more crazy into their life.

Order the good wine

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

I think divorce statistics have been warped and cherry picked to fit the “get married” narrative. To me, divorce isn’t a matter of “if” it’s a matter of “when”. All marriages will end in divorce as far as I’m concerned. Whether it’s through the courts or through some miserable marriage, it’s not worth it.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Definitely being lied to by everyone IMHO.

I think about it in these terms.
100% of divorces started off as a marriage.
100% of separations started off as a relationship
100% of divorced/seperated women will claim they got a bad deal in the divorce, and it was “his” fault, yet..
Less than 1% of divorced women pay alimony or child support to their ex-husbands/partners

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

The more I think about it, the more I realize we are lied to. They put up this and that divorce statistic to distract us from the real problem.

Overwhelming majority of divorce end in man paying alimony, child support. Why men divorce? Because the bitch make it so that paying is better then keeping her. Women divorce because of abuse? maybe for a minority, but with the law and family court on her side the overwhelming majority of men is not stupid enough to abuse her unprovoked. So the overwhelming majority is the women fault in divorce.

Then there is a great number of man still in marriage because it is cheaper to keep her. We don’t know how large is this percentage, but look around you, how many men is happy in marriage? How many man are happier single?

Then there is cohabit. More younger man cohabit instead of marry. It will look bad on the marriage propaganda if cohabit is more then marriage
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652465/Why-half-todays-20-year-olds-never-married-How-young-couples-likely-cohabit-tie-knot.html

Lastly, marriage is a license for the big government to butt in a family and squeeze more money out.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[RumParticipant 59]

@taxguy: I know what you mean. I like who I am so why should I change for a game that is stacked against me anyways. Took me some time to learn that though, but gladly I did so before any collateral damage (kids and alimony) happened.

Regarding the divorce statistics, as with most stats, they are stacked and supplied without any meaningful context. I’d be more interested to see the % of the male labour force who pays alimony anyways. The 50% divorce stat does not mean if you get married now, you have a 50% chance to have a divorce. It only means (if the number is true) that of all marriages, 50% ended in a divorce. I am pretty sure that 50% is stacked heavily by those of the older generations who are still alive and together, because that is what you’re supposed to do back then. And I am really wondering if separation by death is included, as it is not really a court divorce.

Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught falsehoods in school. And the person that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and a fool. -Plato

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