Are "Tradcons" really Tradcucks ? Paternity Fraud.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

@keymaster just posted this link on another thread.

In this African city, 72% of the men turned out to be proven not the father of the children they where expected to pay child support for. As KeyMaster went on to explain:

… and thats’ just when the women AGREE to a test. So the digits are higher.
Anyone think it’s any different here?????

You only get fewer women agreeing to it here.
Ever tried it? Ever told women “how do I know it’s mine”??

She will go rat f~~~ ballistic and out of her mind

Yes, she will go rat f~~~ ballistic, just like some people I have seen when they are caught like a rat in a trap committing fraud.

Even if the numbers of men who are being defrauded are far lower, as may suspect, we could be talking 10-15% as the basement, not the ceiling.

You can’t claim these people are MRAs or MGTOWs. So let us say it is as low as 10% and could be double.

This means 10-20% of the Traditional Conservative men who guilt trip and use shaming tactics on young men are nothing less than cucks trying to rope others into the very quicksand they are neck deep in.

People who keep this sort of stuff secret from the man being victimized, they aren’t “keeping a family together”, they are partners in crime and aiding in fraud.

With this much evidence Traditionalists are not going into the bank with a gun, but they can’t claim to be innocent as they drive the getaway car.

In fact I would be shocked if at least 25% of them are themselves are not cucks themselves since they would make such perfect targets. Should be be calling Traditionalist Conservatives “Tradcucks” instead of “Tradcons”.

I don’t want to hear NAWALT from them, I don’t care if NAWALT or not. At a rate starting at 10% to as high as 72% or more, one thing is clear, Enough Women Are Like That. EWALT.

If my team was consulting a client company, and we knew there was at least a 10% chance of a particular transaction being fraudulent, we would be totally failing in our duties and obligations in not informing the client of the risks as best we knew them.

To hell with blind trust. “Trust but verify” I say !

If she objects or goes bats~~~ on you when you mention a paternity test, then that is all the reason to insist on it even more.

And people wonder why I “never settled down” and started a family. For the same reason I never sent money to a Televangelist. It’s a scam !

And if Milo Yiannopoulos thinks Traditional Marriage is such a good idea for straight men, then he can pay all the child support and other legal bills straight men get stuck with. Otherwise, he can shut the f~~~ up about MGTOW.

It is not about him being gay, it is about Tradcons being willing to throw men under the bus for their own agendas.

Now I have another reason to find Tradcuck MRAs sickening.

Frank V.

[survivorParticipant 610]

A paternity test should be included in all births done at hospitals or done at a reduced rate upon request if a home birth.

"Shot through the heart, and you're to blame, You give love a bad name, I play my part and you play your game, You give love a bad name."--Bon Jovi

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

survivor wrote:

A paternity test should be included in all births done at hospitals or done at a reduced rate upon request if a home birth.

Hell yes, and none of this bullcrap about “keeping it secret for the sake of family peace”. More like a piece of his wallet !

Frank V.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

A paternity test should be mandatory

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[VarunParticipant 2981]

Over here, people are trying hard t attach some social stigma with “paternity test”… some religious bulls~~~ like “you do not question God’s choice” or something…. I don’t quite understand it.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Varun wrote:

Over here, people are trying hard t attach some social stigma with “paternity test”… some religious bulls~~~ like “you do not question God’s choice” or something…. I don’t quite understand it.

Right, because it wasn’t “god” who chose to open their legs and catch a load from another man. It wasn’t “god” who knocked her up either.

Can I rob a bank, get caught with bags of money and say “It is god’s choice that I had this money and you do not question it ?”

I wonder how many of the men promoting this thinking are too scared to even think about the implications.

And the notion of their own wives discrediting them.

Frank V.

[OrlandoParticipant 833]

Side note, Frank V.: love the North American Aviation logo!

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Orlando wrote:

Side note, Frank V.: love the North American Aviation logo!

@orlando Thank you for noticing !

[Anonymous 3]

Most of you won’t like me saying this, but it may be that Tradcons are necessary for the continuation of human societies and our evolution. In much the same way that we see basic social organisation among bees, with each type of bee fulfilling a function, humans too have a natural social order, albeit much more fluid and sophisticated.

This natural social order manifests itself slightly differently between different political and social systems, but certain common principles can be identified, and it seems that no matter how successful the efforts of ‘social radicals’ to devolve humanity (I’ve heard some left-wing radicals talk of ‘post-evolutionary societies’) and disrupt biological functionalism, there is always a reversion to the default setting: hence the current success of conservatives, reactionaries and nationalists in shifting the discourse towards a more traditionalistic position.

On an incidental note – I don’t necessarily accept that ‘feminism’ is radical at all, and I think the term ‘radical feminism’ is, in truth, something of an oxymoron.

Feminism is conservative. It is about recreating a naturally functioning social order (i.e. what most of us would recognise as patriarchy or traditionalism). At first glance, that seems contradictory, but if you think about it, what feminist women are doing is simply following their female nature in a particularly obnoxious and confrontational way. The men who rise to the challenge – i.e. so-called ‘Alpha’ men (i.e. your Chad Thunderc~~~s) and ‘Sigma’ men (i.e. MGTOWs) – become attractive to women. The men who don’t – i.e. socially-conformist men – are not attractive. However, these categories of base attractiveness will not correlate to reproductive success. Most conformist men will marry and a majority of them will reproduce anyway. Many of the Alpha/Sigma men won’t, even though they are more attractive. So it’s complicated and there’s much more that could be said about the topic.

The key point, as the OP identifies, would be to establish the statistical extent of paternity fraud, with country-by-country (or region-by-region) breakdowns, so that we could see cultural trends and plot these to different social systems.

My guess would be that a good majority of men (probably somewhere around two-thirds) are fathering their own children. I think this will be the case because of something akin to game theory principles. Women as a whole have a vested interest in fidelity, so that a minority of women can betray their husbands without it being noticed, and so that the majority of men will continue to think that the odds favour social conformism and thus keep societies going.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Raising another man’s child with his ex is about as cuck as you can get.

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[Frank V.Participant 2445]

@jack: If you don’t think we might like hearing, then it might be something that needs to be said, but is going unsaid, at least in terms of something that needs to be considered.

Even if serving some sort of biological use, a Tradcuck is still a cuck, so it sort of goes with it.

Frank V.

[FearlessMGHOWParticipant 1928]

Tradcons are annoying as f~~~ when it comes to s~~~ like paternity fraud. Many of them will defend the woman and not even question her motives. Most of them will even say s~~~ like “even if the kid’s not mine I’m still the father.”

S~~~ like that is extremely annoying to say the least.

Anonymous wrote:

Most of you won’t like me saying this, but it may be that Tradcons are necessary for the continuation of human societies and our evolution.

Whether they’re necessary or not, I don’t give a s~~~. If people want to waste their lives away popping out kids constantly, that’s on them. I’ll be chugging on my Dr. Pepper and eating pizza.

Men age like fine wine. Women age like milk. "One hundred women are not worth a single testicle." -Confucius

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Yes they are.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Those things happens.
Okay, I’ll confess.
There’s a child who is mine, raised by another man.
I suspect there can be even another one, with another woman, but I’m not sure about this last one. About the first I mentioned I’m sure. I don’t need a paternity test.
Practically – there are 4 pictures:
1) a photo of me at about the age of 6,
2) a photo of the son I have with ex-wife at age of 6,
3) a photo of the kid of a friend (that wasn’t cheating, that was a sort of “sperm donation” with full agreement but I did it in the classic way – she’s not married, she’s “homoflexible”) at 6,
4) a photo of this kid raised by another man, at age of 6.

All four 6 yo guys seems twins.
My “homoflexible” friend took the picture of the kid after she saw it: initially she was shocked that such kid was identical to her kid and to mine kid. Then she took the picture and mocked me.
My daughter can’t tell the difference, she just understand who is me because the picture of me was taken 37 years ago, so dresses and other details are quite different, but regarding the other 3 guys she can’t tell the difference, and she can’t tell who is her brother among those three.

Funniest thing is: I was practically paid, because I got her pregnant during worktime. 🙂

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[Robert HallamParticipant 696]

I almost think that this response needs it’s own thread but maybe that is too big-headed of me.

I was listening to an interview on reddit Men’s Rights Forum, and the subject was paternity testing at birth. The male proponent was a useless speaker while the female moderator and the female opponent speaker, both extreme feminazies, played tag team against him. The main argument raised by the female opponent was that there was far too much emphasis placed on a child’s DNA.

WTF I thought. What it the reasons, and the only reason, marriage vows come complete with the words “forsaking all others”????

It was the female’s opinion backed up of course with the female moderator’s input, that the man should just “man up” and raise the any kid the wife delivers without knowing who the child’s father was. Yeah, that’s fine for the mother since it doesn’t matter who the f~~~ the father is, the child is guaranteed to carry 50% of her DNA. The father has no way of knowing without a paternity test. The mother could care less about the other half of the child’s DNA as long as the duped father antis-up, without question, and supports the child and her with a home, food, clothing, security, education, etc. until it graduates from university, and goes on to procreate on its own.

She was completely oblivious as to why men don’t want to raise another man’s child. If he’s going to be paying the bill, he wants half the kids DNA to be his. Why else would he do it, unless of course he was fraudulently tricked into believing he was raising his own children.

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Robert Hallam wrote:

I almost think that this response needs it’s own thread but maybe that is too big-headed of me.

I was listening to an interview on reddit Men’s Rights Forum, and the subject was paternity testing at birth. The male proponent was a useless speaker while the female moderator and the female opponent speaker, both extreme feminazies, played tag team against him. The main argument raised by the female opponent was that there was far too much emphasis placed on a child’s DNA.

WTF I thought. What it the reasons, and the only reason, marriage vows come complete with the words “forsaking all others”????

It was the female’s opinion backed up of course with the female moderator’s input, that the man should just “man up” and raise the any kid the wife delivers without knowing who the child’s father was. Yeah, that’s fine for the mother since it doesn’t matter who the f~~~ the father is, the child is guaranteed to carry 50% of her DNA. The father has no way of knowing without a paternity test. The mother could care less about the other half of the child’s DNA as long as the duped father antis-up, without question, and supports the child and her with a home, food, clothing, security, education, etc. until it graduates from university, and goes on to procreate on its own.

She was completely oblivious as to why men don’t want to raise another man’s child. If he’s going to be paying the bill, he wants half the kids DNA to be his. Why else would he do it, unless of course he was fraudulently tricked into believing he was raising his own children.

Unless the kid is a mulatto, a mestizo, or has a different hair color then both the parents the father will never know and she will still get her support from him. Also if the father is a beta then he is no fun therefore she will try to cuck him. Dominating assholes are crazy plus they are better at sex while the beta male is not crazy making him boring and he is not a dominating asshole making the chick search outside of the marriage to get sexual release. No normal person even a blue piller would want to raise another mans child but the chick still needs the betas resources.

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[Frank V.Participant 2445]

“Manning up” is not being a sucker. If you let people just screw you over and roll over like a dead dog, you’ll get screwed and screwed again.

“Manning up” is not taking it and standing up for yourself.

The best example was set by a biker I know who caught his woman cheating. He didn’t beat around the bush, dumped her on the spot without a bit of remorse.

After he put her possessions in storage that weekend, she cried about having no place to go.

He simply told her “If there is room for him in your pussy, there is room for your ass in his house.”

If it is excusable for a woman to scream, throw stuff and get violent over cheating, then they have not a single right to say a peep when simply being held up to the same standard they hold men to. No remorse or hesitation. Some acted shocked and butthurt that he was not “more sensitive”. I respected him for setting an example.

If you are willing to be lied to, be exploited to pay for the results of her cheating around, and be happy about it, you are not a man. You might be “a male”, a boy or a whipped little mangina.

But you are not a man.

And I resent Tradcons for pressuring and hiding pesky things called “facts” that don’t fit their “narrative” in order to set up young men to get trapped on the plantation. If they want to risk ruin or find being a hen pecked cuck acceptable, that is their choice. But when they lead others like sheep to slaughter and otherwise sell men out, I have a problem with that.

Frank V.

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