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Around MGTOW, I see a school of thought where the guy will go, “I am done with American women! I am going to Asian, etc… to get a woman!” I would take attempts to go to parts of Asian, or other third-world areas (say central America) as merely a guy attempting to use hypergamy.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Around MGTOW, I see a school of thought where the guy will go, “I am done with American women! I am going to Asian, etc… to get a woman!” I would take attempts to go to parts of Asian, or other third-world areas (say central America) as merely a guy attempting to use hypergamy. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
It’s not hypergamy. It is HYPO-gamy, if anything.
Here’s the thing; there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to go with a girl from a different part of the world. If you’re attracted to asians, go for it. That doesn’t make it hypergamy.
Let’s define Hypergamy. Urban Dictionary defines hypergamy as “the instinctual desire of humans of the female sex to discard a current mate when the opportunity arises to latch onto a subsequent mate of higher status due to the hindbrain impetus to find a male with the best ability to provide for her OWN offspring (already spawned or yet-to-be spawned) regardless of investments and commitments made to a current mate.”
The key part of this definition is marrying up to a “higher status.” Now let’s be fair and say that men can also engage in hypergamy. In other words, men may also choose to marry up to provide for offspring from a previous marriage or something. This itself is pretty rare even in the US since men have historically been the breadwinners and tend to bring home the most money.
But even if I agree to your claim that men engage in hypergamy, there is no way you can justify western men going to Asia as men engaging in hypergamy. Saying that men are going to Asia to engage in hypergamy is you saying: “American men want someone with lots of money to care for their child, so they are going to developing nations in Asia to marry a rich girl there.” This makes no sense. Here’s why:
1. Western men going to Asia are generally wealthy/successful enough that they can afford to travel. It costs a few thousands of dollars to travel from the US to Asia. That’s a lot of money. Let’s say that a ticket from the US to Thailand is 1.5K USD. That’s 55K Thai Bhatt.
2. Western men are generally wealthier than their Asian female partners. Do you know what the average monthly income of a Thai civilian is? According to Thaivisa (link below), it’s somewhere from 6-8K BHATT per month. That means they make an average of $281 USD/month, or $3.3K/year. Average American man’s income, by contrast, is north of $40K USD per year. So American men make 12 times the amount of money and have 12 times the purchasing power than their Thai counterparts.
So, if Western men are earning more and are wealthier, then going to Thailand to marry a girl is NOT hypergamy, since they are not marrying up. If anything, they are marrying “down” to a lower level of wealth, and that is HYPO-gamy. Now, the ASIAN WOMEN are engaging in hypergamy because they are looking for rich foreigners to take care of them. Many of the women in Thailand work in bars hoping to find a foreigner to take them back to the US or give them a better life.
The reason why western men are going to Asian countries is that Asian women generally are more respectful, traditional, hardworking, pretty, attractive. Why should I settle for an entitled, manipulative, bitchy American female when I can go overseas, be treated like a King, and actually form meaningful relationships?
Also, Asian countries have a lower cost of living, and, depending on your personal preferences, better weather. I personally want to make my money here in the US and then go and spend in Thailand. You can get a pretty sweet 4 bedroom beachside villa with a private pool for like $800 per month. That would cost at least $6K/month here in the US. Man…time to go to work and save up more.
Thaivisa- http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/104961-whats-the-average-thai-salary/
I was taking it that men going to Asia, Central America, etc… is they find women who see them as a way to “marry up”. Well, at least that is what I was asking about. In short, they find a woman who sees the man as a way to “marry up” so she will be extra nice and respectful in order to gain the resources. It is a question of whether or not it is the culture, or hypergamy at work.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Women overseas are generally easier to bait and switch with money because these men usually play on their need to marry up. Playing on the needs of these women to get sex and then leave for the next is their form of beating the system. Whether it’s hypergamy or not is essentually irrelevant. It’s pretty much international PUA tactics that waste your time.
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
Lots of US servicemen have married Asian women. They discovered that:
- First, the women were not all that different from their American ‘sisters’;
- Second, the entire Asian family was part of the package.
If they were expecting the sweetly smiling doll in the advertisement in the sidebar of the PUA website, they fell for a scam.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Guys I’ve always been attracted to asian women. My ex-wife was asian. I’m telling you here and now guys that think they are getting someone sweet and subservient are in for a rude f~~~ing awakening. In my opinion an attractive white american woman is easier to deal with than an asian woman. Think about that for a moment. I said it and I said it coming from experience. Oh and I’m just saying that to put asian women into perspective for you guys, I certainly am not saying attractive white women are easy to deal with. Don’t get emotionally or financially involved with ANY woman is my advice.
Guys I’ve always been attracted to asian women. My ex-wife was asian. I’m telling you here and now guys that think they are getting someone sweet and subservient are in for a rude f~~~ing awakening. In my opinion an attractive white american woman is easier to deal with than an asian woman. Think about that for a moment. I said it and I said it coming from experience. Oh and I’m just saying that to put asian women into perspective for you guys, I certainly am not saying attractive white women are easy to deal with. Don’t get emotionally or financially involved with ANY woman is my advice.
Well, I would say that the problem that is the hardest to deal with, that ends up tripping up the most, is one you don’t think is a big deal. I know near where I am, there is a road that looks manageable, but the moment it ices up, accidents break out all over the place on it (I got in one also).
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
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