Anxiety Medication

[Cheetah84Participant 39]

Hey Gents

A quick question for some MGTOWs that are on anti-depressants…

I used to be on Lexapro (escilatopram) and it didn’t really help me with my panic attacks, rather it enhanced it at times… it took me 1 year to get off it and I have been experiencing some high anxiety at work.. I tried valium, but I found it depresses me BIG TIME when I don’t have it..so I have been taking a herbal alternative which has actually helped. Its called kava, they drink it in the South Pacific Islands and it tastes kind of like alcohol with mud.. I have the tablet form.

I’m just interested to know which types some people are on..I talked to a psychiatrist and just got the “there is no free lunch” quote in regards to anti-depressants and side effects.

My anxiety is more a social anxiety so I only really get it among crowds of people rather than alone at home.

[RoyDalParticipant]

The news about psychotropic drugs is not all good news. Google “anti depressants and mass murder” for an eye opener.

Sometimes depression is caused by nutritional deficiency. If that’s the case, some vitamin, mineral, and omega-3 fatty acid pills will make it go away.

Another possibility is getting stuck in a life you hate. Quitting whatever you hate and starting over might work there.

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[Anonymous 11]

Lexapro is an SSRI class drug. I call SSRIs school shooter drugs. Homicidal and suicidal thoughts and actions are possible side effects for a few unlucky souls so Roy is spot on right. So please monitor yourself very carefully..

My friend that committed suicide was on Celexa another SSRI class drug. I will always wonder if it contributed. Your psychiatrist is right there is not a free lunch with anti-depressants.

I’d flat refuse to take any SSRI prescribed to me by a doctor. Herbals play a huge role in my arsenal too especially since the fascist Obamacare disaster The cash only docs are sprouting like weeds around here now.

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

I have taken them for the better part of 12 years. Currently on Celexa (the older version of Lexapro) but want badly to get off it and soon. Also took Effexor and Wellbutrin. While I know depression and anxiety can be crippling and am not qualified to dispense medical advice ( I am not a physician and it is not my place), I can only share my experience as a patient. I believe these medications can offer some people temporary relief – but they tend to “poop” out after a while. I believe the body gets used to the chemical addition and tries to correct itself. The side effects for some, if not most, can be horrible. Weight loss or gain (usually the latter), sleeplessness or too much sleep, loss of libido, mood swings, headaches etc. But the worse, at least for me, is getting off these things.

Among the worse if not the worse time of my life was coming off of Effexor. I truly thought I was going crazy. I felt like I would have been better off dead. The experience is something only someone who has come off these things can describe. I cannot imagine coming off of heroin or any other “illegal” substance is any worse. The Pharma companies have the nerve to say these toxic substances are not addictive. Bulls~~~. They are addictive in the worse way. But the drug companies are too addicted to their obscene profits to give a s~~~. In the wake of the withdrawal I was left with horrible neuropathic pain all over my body. I was otherwise a healthy man in his late 40’s, low body fat, 6’2″ 170 lbs, non smoker. But this s~~~ made me feel like a 90 year old on life support

Years later I still feel the damage done by these toxic chemicals and wish I had never listened to the idiot who prescribed them. I changed doctors several times. Reason they were given to me? I was depressed after my live in girlfriend of 2 years kicked me out of her house. Although it was probably the best thing she could have done, none thing time would not have healed. My advice. Avoid antidepressants if at all possible. If you must take them, discuss withdrawal and all side effects thoroughly with your physician. If they don’t know or won’t discuss, find another doctor. I believe that Psychiatry is the biggest pack of bulls~~~ the medical profession has ever put forth. It is probably the least respected of all medical specialties. My son who is a medical student, to my knowledge, has no plans to touch that cesspool. Unlike talk therapy, which sometimes can be helpful, the only people that benefit from these psychotropic drugs are the hacks that prescribe them, the pharmacies that dispense them and the companies that make and market them. Certainly not the patients. Herbal supplements, diet change, exercise, (cannot stress that enough), life style change, are all much better options than those pills.

Best wishes, buddy.

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Bunker Mode – my posting was not a shot at anyone who takes those meds. Good on you if it helps! Just wanted to share my experience. I think its important that doctors spend more time with their patients and counsel the risk/benefit factors before prescribing. Keep on posting. I enjoy reading.

[Anonymous 11]

For me, the salient point on SSRIs and all drugs is that we all have a unique biochemistries where we all can respond to any drug in radically deviating ways. SSRIs are one of those classes that help a lot of people, and, unfortunately, most all non-jihadist mass killers are taking them.

Of course, the chimp that ripped its female keeper’s face off a few years ago was being fed Xanax.

BM is right. If it works and cause no problem. F~~~ what anyone else thinks about it.

I always tried to talk my friend into weaning off Celexa. It was not helping him at all, and he just trusted his doctor’s judgement. She would not even entertain the thought that Celexa was not working for him either when he broached the subject with her.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Alprazolam is the anxiety medicine that is most common I think. It’s been around for quite awhile.

It can make you sleepy though, which was good in my case because I needed to fall asleep and my mom happened to have some.

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[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

I was prescribed Paxil back in my high school days and that f~~~ed me up big time. Dropped that s~~~ like a bad habit.

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[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

I think the problem is that society seeks to solve problems like anxiety by medication when it is the structure of society itself which is the cause of the anxiety. Thus society creates the problem and provides a solution. However, the solution society provides is bull s~~~ and is only prescribed in order to keep you, the victim as a good productive member when the real solution is to reject the society, or those parts of the society which are causing you stress.

Besides, stress medication is only there to make the pharma corporations huge profits. I’d recomend meditation instead.

Some one once told me that stress is like tax. You can minimise it but you cannot escape it all together. It seemed to make sense at the time but now I’m not so sure. I don’t pay tax so why should I accept stress?

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Spacemonkey wrote:

I think the problem is that society seeks to solve problems like anxiety by medication when it is the structure of society itself which is the cause of the anxiety. Thus society creates the problem and provides a solution. However, the solution society provides is bull s~~~ and is only prescribed in order to keep you, the victim as a good productive member when the real solution is to reject the society, or those parts of the society which are causing you stress.

Besides, stress medication is only there to make the pharma corporations huge profits. I’d recomend meditation instead.

Some one once told me that stress is like tax. You can minimise it but you cannot escape it all together. It seemed to make sense at the time but now I’m not so sure. I don’t pay tax so why should I accept stress?

So you are dismissing the existence of variations in human brain-chemistry?

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[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I have a lot of anxiety. Xanaz (alprazolam) works great for me. It keeps me on an even keep.

I have tried many times to stop the medication and have even gone 6 months without it and suffered debilitating anxiety. It caused me problems at work and at home.

When I went back on my regular dose of 4 mg/day, the anxiety disappeared within a day.

So I’ve tried with xanax and without and found that xanax helps a lot.

Just my two cents.

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[goadsaidParticipant 100]

The problem is xanax (aplrazolam) is so old that pharma companies can hardly make money off of it anymore since everyone makes a generic and so they say it is addictive and that they would rather prescribe you an ssri (zooft, paxil, effexor, wellbutrin etc.)

This is wrong for two reasons.
1. SSRI’s also cause physical dependence so they really aren’t “preventing” anything.
2. SSRI’s will almost CERTAINLY cause you a physical dependence where, with xanax, it’s more about your frequency of use. This is because SSRI’s need to be taken EVERY DAY in order to provide their “therapeutic” effect. Xanax, valium and ANY other benzodiazipine can be taken as needed because it provides immediate relief.

In other words, SSRI’s need to be taken in a way that guarantees physical addiction and withdrawal with cessation of use.. Xanax, if only taken a few days a week (or less “as needed”) and under about 2mg a time will NOT cause a PHYSICAL addiction/withdrawal with cessation of use. You can argue all day about what’s psychologically addictive so it’s hardly worth getting into that. People get “addicted” to porn, cupcakes, doing nothing. However, they don’t physically withdrawal from those things like they WILL from SSRI’s. By the time you know SSRI’s either worked or didn’t for you – you ARE addicted. It’s fine if it helps. I’m libertarian. I say do cocaine if it truly helps. The problem is, after 4 weeks you decide that paxil sucks – well you still have to withdrawal.

[Anonymous 42]

No drugs, ever, My depression and anxiety is handled by my own regeneration of my mind, sure I suffer sleeplessness, anger, and misery, but only for a short time.
My best way to avoid such misery is to accept things as they are (without delay) and within a few weeks of accepting life’s tortures, I’m on my feet whistling as I walk away.
I’ve seen, and have been through allot of s~~~! I think my drug free approach works pretty well for me.
The important thing is not to remain in denial or indecision.
Click Bam Boom, MG-Tower has cemented his mind and is walking away adjusted and happy……

[Duke of MangafParticipant 69]

Literally almost went on a killing spree myself on Paxil and got hospitalized. Seriously. Came dangerously close to destroying my whole life and hurting people. Never ever had a violent outburst in all the years before or the 17 years since, nothing even close.Took months to completely rid my body of that stuff, its pure poison they have no business giving people. Had to go through the embarrassment of having to get cleared by two separate doctors to get my work clearance back, and which point I was told there were multiple class action lawsuits against the makers, yet doctors hand them out like aspirin. Told myself right then and there that I would never ever be a lab experiment for some big Pharma corporation again.

There a now strains of medical marijuana that deal specifically with anxiety, my best mate uses one called ‘strawberry cough’ and swears by it. Now you obviously cant pull out a joint in the middle of the work day, but there a lot of others changes you can make in your lifestyle in conjunction with something like that, that could also help such as better diet and exercise, making sure to get enough sleep, meditation etc etc. I would also say therapy, but they also just seem to want to fill people with pills as well these days. Whatever it is that ails you, I hope it works out for you.

[HitmanParticipant]

every one is a unique case, what works for one ,maybe dosen’t for another..exercise,good food, rest,hell,i’m almost afraid to say it but WORK is an excellent way to focus on something outside ourselves..
long term planning ,goals with a plan to acheive them..SCHEDULE ,cannot be underrated ..

[Anonymous 7]

Try your best to avoid the medication I messed around with Xanax for a couple months. Aside from all the health risks and dependencies they produce it makes you a f~~~ing zombie. Absolutely no creativity, passion, or ambition. It feels f~~~ing amazing but should only be used as a last resort in life because your’e selling your mind for a feeling.

[narwhalParticipant]

I am one of those on wellbutrin. I was on it for a year or two several years ago, and have been on it again for the past year or so now. For me, my symptoms are not anxiety, but depression. I’ve never had suicidal thoughts. I simply lose desire to do things and participate in life. I’d have trouble remembering to pay bills. In fact, my Dr was witness to my symptoms since I was late on paying a bill to her.

While on the drug, I feel like it brings me to a normal level, where I’m not unnecessarily ‘weighed down’. At the very least, being on the drug has physically helped me to realize the physical difference between sadness and depression. In that way, I can treat any depression I have like a physical ailment and either ignore it like a minor cut or deal with it when it’s more serious. I also won’t exacerbate the issue by thinking negative thoughts about myself because I can’t get happy.

Looking back on my life, there are definitely times where I was depressed and did not need to be. I interpreted those feelings to mean I need to improve my life and such, but that was not usually the case.

I can’t say I’ve had any side effects such as mood swings or anything like that. I have no addiction to the drug at all. It’s relatively cheap. I suppose I wouldn’t go around advertise that I’m on it to someone who doesn’t understand, but in reality it’s not that different then me taking my daily vitamins.

I’d leave it to a Dr to recommend though, just repeating my experience. All I can is that if an MD recommends this drug to you, I would not reject it with the idea that you should just ‘man-up and deal with it on your own’.

Ok. Then do it.

[Zool67Participant 29]

Moclobemide, Pregabalin, Duloxetine might all be worth considering. They are all unlike SSRIs in significant ways. Sorry, these are generic names. I’m afraid I don’t know what the American brand names would be.

[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

JollyMisanthrope wrote:

So you are dismissing the existence of variations in human brain-chemistry?

No, I’m not dismissing the existence of brain chemistry variations. I’m just saying that brain chemistry is not the cause of anxiety.

You may wish to read this;

http://www.anxietycentre.com/anxiety/myths/anxiety-caused-by-chemical-imbalance-myth.shtml

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Spacemonkey wrote:

I think the problem is that society seeks to solve problems like anxiety by medication when it is the structure of society itself which is the cause of the anxiety.

So far all I learned is its not yet known and still needs massive research of what the causes (in some cases) of depression/anxiety are, 4 theories:

– Biological theory – Neurotransmitter function in CNS (biochemistry)
– Hormonal theory –
– Genetic theory – (defects)
– Stress theory – (With all the s~~~ going on around us, and people not relaxing properly..)

I would say its a combination of things (per case thing), from what little I know so far. Sorry guys that I can’t provide anything more so far, Im not using any anti-depressants (and would recommend avoid using drugs if possible) and so far I am still learning.

Spacemonkey wrote:

I’m just saying that brain chemistry is not the cause of anxiety.

Unknown. For instance in depression – Serotonin/Noradrenaline quantity’s change and its unknown if it’s a cause or consequences.
I would stay away from anti-depressants, or it would require a long trial and error to find what works for an individual.

And I would of course recommend for people to battle anxiety/stress by living a better life, relaxing, doing things they like, gymnastics, swimming etc.

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