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JustAnotherGuy 2 years, 9 months ago.
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Hey guys! New Ghost member here!
A few days ago a question was asked : how big is MGTOW. We can’t know for sure, but we CAN get an idea of the [growing awareness anyhow, as this monitors how often people ‘google’ something] growth (by country) using this tool:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=mgtow
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About me, if you care (as this is my first post) :After studying for years all the ‘personality disorders’ trying to figure out what the heck was wrong with my last wives (18 yr marriage and 2 yr marriage) and how someone could claim to be a ‘Christian’ and do such horrible and unfair things and .. Well you guys know..
I stumbled on to MGTOW and after about 3-4 months, took the ‘Red Pill’ … Happier than I’ve ever been (things now make sense, which psychologically speaking solves what they call, ‘Cognitive Dissonance’ (when you have two opposing views simultaneously.
E.g. :
How can someone claim to love their children and not realize not seeing/knowing their father hurts them?
How can I love her (ex’s) and dislike her at the same time?
–I’m sure you guys can think of tons that Female Gender Imperatives and Hypergamy explain, and MGTOW (Red Pill) is what you ‘do’ about it after you understand.Keep up the good work!
Welcome! Look forward to seeing more of your posts.
MGTOW is definitely growing, and our increasing ranks are proof of this. Soon our presence will have far reaching effects, and society will no longer be able to ignore us.
For the time being pull up a chair and enjoy some nice cold brew. Cheers!
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
Welcome JAG.
I went to ‘yer google thing. I clicked Canada and read: I was born in Nova Scotia, my Mom is from Ontario, and I live in Alberta. Hits 1, 2 ,and 3 on the list of people searching “MGTOW” in the goole search engine from Canada.
#4 and #5 (Manitoba and Saskatchewan) I’ve driven through, twice. Flew over at least a dozen times.
I can’t answer your other questions.
Peace be with you man.
my membership number is 17773, joined this community October 7th, 2016. Your Number is above 23000. that’s more than 5000 new members in a little more than 6 month. And the growth is getting faster as more men learn about it. If I needed to take a guess, I’d say the 50k milestone will be hit before end of this year.
There are MGTOW related YT channels with more than a million subscribers. New channels popping up each day. Just out of curiosity I opened up one, put in one short (03:30 min) video and have more than 30 views after just 3 hours.
Is this something big? oh yes, it is.
The other day i stumbled across this:They were asking “what is the imminent danger to this “movement”” and they went on to basically say “When MGTOW becomes ‘cool’, it is doomed”. It appears to me they do have a valid point there.
"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.
I’m not familiar with the term (acronym) ‘JAG’.
Hopefully it means something good! 🙂
Maybe, ‘Just Acquired Groupie’ ?
Seriously?
Just
Another
GuyF~~~.
First, thank you guys for being so welcoming!
Sorry for the Long Post – I think you will find it important.
I’ve been spreading the ‘ideology’. I’m writing a book, (besides being a software developer) called ADHD : A Different Human Design (too complicated to explain how I am doing it) but as part of the research I’ve done over the last many many years (not about MGTOW, but psychology in regard to new neuropsychological discoveries regarding ADHD)
[It’s a more technical book, in some ways geared toward practicing Psychologists and Neuropsychologists]
While doing the research NOTICE WHAT I FOUND:
THIS:
75% of current psychologists enrolled in doctorate programs TODAY (more in the pipeline at master and lower levels) and people in the field (male and female) are deeply concerned.
What ‘Regular’ people (not in the field) may not know is that psychology is like ‘LAW’. (research how ‘legal precedence’ works, or just trust me.)
Anyhow, there is a ‘Case Law’ for Psychology (who is judged ‘crazy’ and or ‘disordered’ and or ‘disturbed’ and or…) and every 15-20 years the new MANUAL (Psychology Handbook/Bible) on this ‘case law’, called the DSM (Diagnostics and Statistics Manual – rigidly adhered to regarding diagnostics and superseding the opinion of any ONE OR SEVERAL ‘experts’ ) currently in version 5 (2013.. v.4 was ’94) with the next version due out in maybe 5 years?
SEE THIS:
(remember, in 1-3 years 75+ / and growing Psychs will be women!)
The methodology, diagnosis and explanations are CREATED BY PRACTICING PSYCHOLOGISTS!
This means … Do the math.
I don’t buy into ‘nonsense’ (I have to either ‘seriously’ address all opposing opinions, include them or leave it out) as I am writing a more technical book for people with serious issues so it has to be ‘thoroughly’ researched. (DSM [is a big deal] is used around the world in all Western Cultures)
There is NO debating this. It is a SERIOUS issue.
“The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is the handbook used by health care professionals in the United States and much of the world as the
- authoritative guide
to the diagnosis of mental disorders. DSM contains descriptions, symptoms, and other criteria for diagnosing mental disorders”
No offense, but this is bigger than ‘small stuff’ It is WORLD CHANGING. So in other words, what we’ve found is a proverbial ‘canary in the coal mine’ as to what is coming – that is exponential change toward whatever the female agenda decides to be.
This is used in courts ALL THE TIME – currently sometimes for men to get custody/visitation!
e.g.
Regarding ‘Parental Alienation’: (old DSM was used to help men, and PAS (Parental Alienation Syndrome) would BUST women if added to the DSM. It almost got added the last version!)
-https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/20972-limited-definition-of-parental-alienation-syndrome-included-in-dsm-v
Regarding Alarming Trend in Psychology:
“In 1970, women made up just over 20 percent of PhD recipients in psychology, according to the National Research Council. In 2005, the last year for which data are available, nearly 72 percent of new PhD and PsyDs entering psychology were women, according to APA’s Center for Psychology Workforce Analysis and Research.” – American Psychological Association
-http://www.apa.org/monitor/jun07/changing.aspx
Google, “percent of women psychologists” if you want even more info.
[If you’re wondering why things aren’t already screwed since DSM 5 came out in 2013 and 72% were already women, it is because you have to be a SENIOR (long practicing, published papers) Psych to vote.
Note : (READ THIS – I don’t use sources that wouldn’t be respected by peer review as they would shoot down arguments based on source – there also has to be a lot of them, so no argument can be made, that’s how I have to roll.)
“A psychotherapist contends that the DSM, psychiatry’s “bible” that defines all mental illness, is not scientific but a product of unscrupulous politics and bureaucracy.”
-https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/the-real-problems-with-psychiatry/275371/I knew about this site the first week as part of my research. I wanted to join the forums to mention the statisics, plus:
It is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT for all MGTOW to be part of a community to ensure mental health (no crap) – as you have guessed I’m quite knowledgeable in the field.
I was thinking about doing something like this (opening a YouTube channel, and doing that ‘thing’ [fun, and ego boosting] ) but my book (which isn’t really about MGTOW at all) would be ‘cast down’ as certain types do when they’re confronted with any controversial information.
By the way, if you’re curious (psychologically) why this happens?
It is natural and normal, and not ‘evil’. (though isn’t right) They’re protecting their sanity (world view) as holding two opposing beliefs simultaneously causes tremendous anxiety and stress as the brain tries to not only calculate the logic of each argument, (that is the easy part) but also calculate the impact on their place in the world (how will friends, associates, etc) perceive them and what life changes will be required.
Psychology is fun stuff. And in fact, MGTOW is ACTUALLY a function of Logic meeting Psychology!
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“Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors. … Leon Festinger (1957) proposed cognitive dissonance theory, which states that a powerful motive to maintain cognitive consistency can give rise to irrational and sometimes maladaptive behavior.”
-https://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html
Regarding “JAG” – I deep think things, (just me, as I have to hold very large datasets to do my work <adding to, debugging, changing, over a million lines of code in 4 [computer] languages>) so ‘easy’ is hard, and ‘hard’ is easy for me.
..Sorry.
It is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT for all MGTOW to be part of a community to ensure mental health (no crap) – as you have guessed I’m quite knowledgeable in the field.
Water is critically important.
Please do not assume my guesses about anything. MGHOW
“They were asking “what is the imminent danger to this “movement”” and they went on to basically say “When MGTOW becomes ‘cool’, it is doomed”. It appears to me they do have a valid point there.”
I think you’re right in a WAY. But if you consider:
What does ‘doomed’ mean? Does it mean we can’t continue to not be in relationships? Can we still not go our own way? Use the acronym if we want, even if they try to ‘redefine it’?
They’re ALREADY trying to redefine it! Who cares. We know the difference between MRA and MGTOW (my opinion is that the views on gynocentric reality are all but the same, but the SOLUTION is different.
MRA are taking the Feminist, ‘Fight the Power’ route. (I imagine almost a ‘calm logical Red Pill Rage’ mode)
MGTOW take the ‘Wargames’ route:
(notice quotes, in order of importance, also Prof. Falken is MGTOW! Remember his wife in the movie? No? Hmm..)1) “A strange game.The only winning move is not to play.”
2) “Well hell, I’d p~~~ on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good!”
… Also, since this is fun..
Falken: Did you ever play [game]?
Jennifer: Yeah, of course.
Falken: But you don’t anymore.
Jennifer: No.
Falken: Why?
Jennifer: Because it’s a boring game. It’s always a tie.
Falken: Exactly. There’s no way to win. The game itself is pointless![And, imagine women were more honest, they would say] : Shall we play a game?
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<I’m ‘monk’ mode>.. BUT..
There is logic in some who say, just be upfront relatively early in the relationship when it suits you, being aware (of course that will make you even MORE attractive) they’ll try to convince you that they’re NAWALT for some time until they give up or just accept that ‘marriage’ offers no benefit to the man.
It is natural and normal, and not ‘evil’. (though isn’t right) They’re protecting their sanity (world view) as holding two opposing beliefs simultaneously causes tremendous anxiety and stress as the brain tries to not only calculate the logic of each argument, (that is the easy part) but also calculate the impact on their place in the world (how will friends, associates, etc) perceive them and what life changes will be required.
Sounds like textbook cognitive dissonance…
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
Technically MGTOW is just an acronym for something that has been around for about 1000 years. See /history/
Its bigger than women’s groups or even governments would like to admit. By another name you could call it being “a Bachelor”. Much of the shaming language women and other groups use is similar for “MGTOW” or “Bachelor’s”. The problem for women and groups who would bend us to their will is that they are faced with an “empty chair”. We do not publicly advertise affiliations, its an unspoken movement. This of course drives women (and manginas) nuts. They need a target. All other movements are organized, feminized and march in lockstep like good little robots. When you are faced with an empty chair the s~~~ goes sideways. You can’t fight a collection of ghosts.
How big is the movement of men who are “woke” MGTOW including those men who are subconsciously Bachelor MGTOW (the majority)? I would say 200 to 300 million.
But what is the organization! Where are the leaders!! Who do we attack!!
No one. We are just a thought, a philosophy. As a man, once you hear it and begin to understand it, its like a little red pac-man eating up all the blue pills in your mind.
Thanks to the internet we can spread the thought like throwing a match on a gasoline soaked hay bale.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Psychology is fun stuff. And in fact, MGTOW is ACTUALLY a function of Logic meeting Psychology!
I’m a former master mariner, which means my studies included a whole lot of different topics (3 semestras of law, 4 of medicine, 6 economics, 2 electronics, 3 meteorology, 2 thermodynamics……..the list is really long), this made me a pretty widely educated man, but I do miss the in-depth knowledge in any of the particular fields.
Probably you could open a new topic and let me (and the other interested) know a little more on that. Kindly keep in mind Albert Einstein (“If you can’t explain it simple, you haven’t understood it!”).
"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.
They were asking “what is the imminent danger to this “movement”” and they went on to basically say “When MGTOW becomes ‘cool’, it is doomed”. It appears to me they do have a valid point there.
What cool has anything to do with survival in a gynocentric world?
If the law don’t change and society keep bashing men and favouring women MGTOW will keep being created, no matter who try to make money out of it.
It is only possible to distort the label of MGTOW, that the majority of people will perceive the label as something else. However the ideology of MGTOW will live on in another name, like Bachelor lifestyle, Solitude lifestyle, Alternative lifestyle, Minimalist Survival etc etc. Many men are MGTOW without ever hearing of the label MGTOW.
The laws won’t change until society crash and burn, and women nature cannot change with just a few generation. So MGTOW will keep growing, possibly with another label. Maybe a long time after I died society rebuild and give men a fair share, MGTOW will be gone, then so be it as it is no longer needed to be MGTOW. Then society forgets like the Roman empire MGTOW will rise again.
Feminism Responsible For The Fall Of RomeMGTOW or rather the spirit of MGTOW is created due to need, not cool or some other make believe things like the patriarchy or wage gap.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
Muglintar,
Thank you! I already have some ideas!
Most people (youtube, articles, etc) just do the ‘surface stuff’ but nobody talks about AFTER THE RED PILL.. All you really get is ‘MORE AFFIRMATION’ that your opinion is CORRECT, but no direction (psychologically) about how to proceed!
Using Maslow’s Law (Hierarchy of needs), we can see the path…
Anyhow, that would be kinda cool!
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My ‘talent’ isn’t so broad. Software/Programming – Psychology – ‘Theology’ (KJV ‘semi-generic’ Christianity, specializing in Apologetics) —
Right now, when I’m not programming and ‘handling’ clients, I’m WRITING (or making notes or doing research for when I’m writing)
LOTS of programming experience (about 85,000 hours programming 9 languages, 5 regularly) It’s my ‘day job’ – I own the ‘company’ and am the sole programmer managing/updating software I created and now ‘license’ to hundreds of clients across the USA. Been doing that since 2000. Before that I created a startup that competed with CNET’s Download.com
My ‘hyper focus’ is on Psychology right now, with about 4,000 (just over or just under) hours of study but ONLY in a niche part, which makes me REALLY knowledgable about that. (like a ‘specialist’ I suppose) ONLY in : Cluster A, B (especially), C which are classified as ‘personality disorders’ I have about 2,500 of the 4,000 hours in Narcissism. The rest spread among the others. And then about 500 hours (and growing, which is the topic of the book) regarding ADHD.
Fun ADHD Facts – and the MGTOW Nexus/connection– :
1) ADHD is 50/50 boy/girl as it is ALMOST ALWAYS genetic, and ALWAYS biological (the only other way is in utero by leukemia treatments, <look it up, but rare, so no biggie>)
2) Girls are RARELY/Almost never (chemically castrated) medicated for ADHD,even though it is 50/50.
i. ..because..girls don’t really seem to have the ‘hyperactive’ problem, thus ADD vs ADHD.
ii. Women (Mothers, who I believe don’t want to be embarrassed are ALWAYS the ones to allow it. No man, without coercion of a woman DOESN’T say, ‘Boys will be Boys’ <with a proud sly grin, remembering his own boyhood> ) and Female Teachers ( 87% <grade school and below where the medication starts> and growing) in combination with (72% and growing) Female Psychologists prescribe these medications.There are lots, but that is the MAJOR MGTOW connection to the book I’m writing. It isn’t about gender ‘equality’ or MGTOW. But while doing research, that was HARD TO MISS! Kinda like getting slapped in the face!
Chir!!
Check this out! While researching something different, I found this (a Christian from 150 AD) almost 2000 years ago: (researching for an answer to another post regarding ‘was Jesus MGTOW’)
MGTOW may have become ‘mainstream’ before, with Clement of Alexandria (c 150-215) [150 years after Christ] writing, “Some openly declare that marriage is fornication and teach that it was introduced by the devil. They boast that they are imitating the Lord himself . . . ” He goes on to talk about how ADAM was not MARRIED to EVE.. (Also from Clement) : “. . since the last Adam (that is, Christ) was entirely unwedded . . ” But we know Adam slept/sex with eve, but there was no ‘marriage’.
This is a CHRISTIAN THEOLOGIAN mind you! Alive at or JUST AFTER (probably) ‘Revelation’ was written by the apostle John on the isle of Patmos!
Oh! The MGTOW plot thickens!!!
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria
– https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_FathersRecorded SECULAR HISTORY no less!
Oh, and I like this: (I’m a King James guy, sorry)
“His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry”
AKA, if you have to stay with a woman, it is not good to marry!
Jesus actually agrees and says, “All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.” (Heheh Most are ‘Simps’) then actually talks more about not being with them (Remember, many of the Apostles were married and left their wives to do something important.. Don’t forget that. It is a fact and not disputable by any person of any creed hat knows the bible. Peter is perfect example.)
Sorry Guys.
That is enough ‘spiritual’ / ‘religious’ stuff.
I just want you all to know, no matter your faith or whatever, God is with us! (And I just happen to be able to prove it as an Evangelist for a long time) 🙂
Enough of that. It is more fun to talk about other things!
Thanks for accepting a new brother to the forums!
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