Another reason for MGTOW to mean men who don't marry (aren't married)

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

sidecar wrote:

And speaking of women, this whole “agree to disagree” bulls~~~ is something they do as well.
Men don’t “agree to disagree”. Men try to learn the truth. And the truth is that MGTOW is incompatible with marriage. You’re wrong here. Moreover you’re willfully wrong. And I do NOT respect this willingness of yours to be wrong. Deal with it.

I would say the Blue Pill world is full “agreeing to disagree” (this includes men who are in the Blue Pill world). For myself, I let others hold whatever view they hold, while I go off my own way, in interest of finding out what works better and is more accurate. I am finding in this, that so much of what is consider ‘truth” out there is nothing but personal preference and what is desired to be. I go my own way to be more in line with this.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[DDJParticipant 1880]

Sidecar, I appreciate there are those who disagree with me… allow me to continue to clarify:

1. I personally don’t believe marriage is the right choice…but if someone else isn’t at my stage of MGTOW, it doesn’t help me to judge them or disparage their growth process. They may not be ready for that reality yet…especially if they are still at the redpill rage stage (sound familiar?). That said, I’ve been married twice, got custody both times, have been a single father for over six years, and worked in the family law industry, well over 10 years, protecting fathers and husbands from female hypergamy in the court systems…so before you use redpill rage as an excuse to pass judgment and make personal attacks, know your audience…trust me, I know a lot about female hypergamy and how to successfully counter it, More importantly rather than power up behind my keyboard, I follow my own counsel and advocate for men and fathers in the real world…rather than sit and pass judgment on others from the safety of internet connection.

2. Disagreeing with someone and making personal attacks against them admits you have nothing valid to say, so you resort to personal attacks as though they have the same weight as legitimate argument. Calling something bulls~~~ doesn’t support the idea it’s wrong. like you said, men try to learn the truth… well that cannot happen if your stuck succumbing to hatred.

3. A true warrior man respects his opponent…women don’t do that… boys don’t do that…only men do that. Your lack of respect is a clear demonstration of you’re not a man yet…hell you haven’t even past the “I need to rage troll” stage yet of the redpill rage stage of MGTOW. Once you do, let me know…we can talk…so until then…choose your words with good taste…you may have to eat them…until then…

Deal with it.

Every woman is a slut, if you catch her on the right day.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Keymaster wrote:

Richard, you’re doing it again….. and far over-thinking it.
No. A MGHOW cannot be married. Because the agency he has over his future no longer belongs to him. Exclamation point. And, “going your own way” is the total opposite off sharing your life with your beloved wife.
Stop listening to those irrelevant clowns. They have been getting high on their own supply and smoking too much AVFM. Just like a feminist, AFVM and Paula Shelamb will say ANYTHING for attention.

song that comes into my mind when i see these stats

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

DDJ wrote:

blah blah I personally blah blah respect blah blah red pill rage blah blah warrior man blah blah

Whatever. You’re still wrong about this.

By definition.

And from the very beginning, too. The very phrase “Men Going Their Own Way” was coined back in the 1800s to specifically refer to men who DON’T marry.

MGTOW MEANS men who don’t marry. And that’s pretty much all it means. The very idea of “married MGTOW” is wrong BY DEFINITION.

When you try to say “MGTOW can marry” you are denying what MGTOW means. You are trying to make the term meaningless.

Also “red pill rage”? Seriously? You are not doing yourself any favors by pulling that out of the gynocentric Shame and Blame playbook: “you’re just angry”. That’s just more female bulls~~~ right there. For someone who claims to be a man, you sure do try to argue like a bitch.

And for the record, I ain’t even mad.

I just happen to know what words actually mean.

i suppose I can’t expect a mere lawyer to do the same, what with your whole profession’s bread and butter being twisting words to claim they mean what they don’t. Tell me, what’s your personal definition of “is”?

[OhnoParticipant 668]

lets just say MGTOW is for men who wont marry ( ever again….or regret getting married and stay into marriage for reasons that are too big to get out of it, such as kids, big money, fear of losing something more important than your wife ) … im new to the forums but its obvious you cant be MGTOW and still plan on getting married unless you are a rich man who can get married for the f~~~ of it.

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[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

I think you can be a ‘MGTOW sympathizer’ or have a ‘MGTOW mindset’ or ‘MGTOW worldview’ or be ‘pro-MGTOW’ while being married. I am ending my marriage; so presently, I’m a sympathizer. But I can’t BE a MGTOW, because of how it is defined by the majority. When it’s finalized, I’ll probably call myself a ‘confirmed bachelor’, say I don’t want my heart broken or make up some BS, but basically keep it lighthearted if I’m asked. If someone is getting divorced I’ll likely encourage them not to remarry but probably not mention MGTOW, just that marriage is unfair in the legal climate today.

I think we should also realize marriage is only one thing that constrains our choices; participating in a nation-state as a citizen, subjects us to its laws and taxes, for instance. Entering into marriage voluntarily, constrains our choices, just like signing a contract to serve in the Army for 2 years limits our choices, or signing a mortgage or a car loan. Of course, those are more fair/balanced agreements where the risks are clearly defined as is the duration.

Here is a link to some early references to ‘going his own way’: http://gynocentrism.com/2014/09/02/early-references-to-men-going-their-own-way/

[OhnoParticipant 668]

FrankOne wrote:

. “Entering into marriage voluntarily, constrains our choices, just like signing a contract to serve in the Army for 2 years limits our choices, or signing a mortgage or a car loan. Of course, those are more fair/balanced agreements where the risks are clearly defined as is the duration.
Here is a link to some early references to ‘going his own way”

its not just like…

BECAUSE
consquences of marriage last forever…its not at all like signing a contract to serve in the Army for a certain time.

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

I’m a bit shocked that it’s even a point of conversation that married men can be MGTOW…

That’s like pointing at a blue pen and telling me it’s a red pen. The ensuing conversation shouldn’t even occur, because it’s just too ridiculous. ‘

You can’t be MGTOW and be married. However, I’m no label enforcer, just remember, you’re lying to yourself.

[CasperParticipant 66]

A married MGHOW is laughable, because there is no such thing.

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

On Men GETTING married and claiming MGTOW – I say no. You know the risk, yet you do it anyway. That is not MGTOW.

I view this the same way I view “Strong independant woman”. A “Strong independent woman” is surely one NOT married or cohabiting, surely? How do they define it?

What she has a job? And is strong BECAUSE she is a woman? Is that all that is required?

That is a horribly low threshold.

If they were independent, they would not desire living with a man/marriage/kids. Any of those mean you are not independent.

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