Another kind of "STEALTHING" – MRA for a Day

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

^ I’ll respect her “right to choose” what happens with her body when she respects MY right to choose what happens with MY MONEY.

[AttonParticipant]

She should actually take the time is respond, we need to hound this little s~~~.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Shadow1275 wrote:

Darksith wrote:

It is women. What hurts a woman must be stopped. What violates a woman must be stopped. All laws, all norms, everything must be adjusted to protect women. It is about the health and well being of women.

And this was my exact point.

The amount of concessions Men have to make in order to accommodate Women.

No fault divorce to allow her to easily leave a Marriage CONTRACT/IMPORTANT SOCIETAL PROMISE on a whim bc she “Fell out of Love”

Alimony payments to allow her to continue to live her “Lifestyle”

Welfare Payments to allow her to sleep around at will and not have to worry about accidentally popping out kids

Immigration pushes to compensate for the decreased Replenishment rate due to less families=less children

Rigged court systems in order to remove responsibility from her decisions bc of her feelings

Orwellian measures taken to ensure that she has ALL of the power in confrontations

Gender quotas to ensure that Women will be hired IRREGARDLESS of effort or ability especially in positions of POWER such as TRAITOROUS POLITICIANS AND F~~~WIT LAWYERS

I REFUSE TO KNEEL BEFORE ANY WOMAN OR CUCK WHO ATTEMPTS TO RESTRAIN MY PROSPERITY AND FUTURE OR MY POTENTIAL JUST TO PLEASE A WOMAN

MGTOW is the ONLY peaceful solution left. But even this avenue will dissappear. Yes means Yes laws are already being implemented in States in the U.S., Britain is already moving to censor the internet, the LAST BASTION of free speech, the FCC is already moving to do the same.

You refuse to kneel?

You miss the point.

It ain’t about you. It ain’t about you pleasing a woman. It ain’t about us Men. It ain’t about men and what we want, etc.

It is about women.
It is about a man’s interaction with a woman. And the aftermath.

You refuse to kneel. Yes, at this point, if you have no entanglement with women, then you have a choice.

The point you miss is after you associate with a woman.

You can refuse to kneel all you want. But, you will be forced to bend over and take it like a man.

My point is about the aftermath. If you want to be an advocate for men then realize the reality.

Associating with a woman equals hurting her.

Any interaction with a female ends badly for the man if the woman so chooses.

You have no say in the matter. You’re arguments are not relevant. Etc, etc.

The only option for a man is an empty chair.

The moment you engage with a woman picture yourself sitting in that chair.

It can’t be an empty chair if you choose to sit in it. That my brothers is the only choice you have. After you sit down, you no longer have a choice.

Peace brothers

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

There is no solution but to walk away.

Its sad really .

Depressing if you dwell on it .

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[KeymasterKeymaster]

SESQUI ano est wrote:

No DNA test, no responisibility for daddy…Bitch!

Oh have no illusions. Everyone including the judge – can know you’re not the father . . . but if you just date a single mother, you will still go to jail for not paying child support for kids that everyone knows aren’t even yours.

/audio/paternity-fraud/

The state will make you responsible – DNA test or not.

So –>> NO SINGLE. MOTHERS. UNDER. ANY. CIRCUMSTANCES.

Ever.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Shadow1275Participant 1178]

DorkShit wrote:

Shadow1275 wrote:

Darksith wrote:

It is women. What hurts a woman must be stopped. What violates a woman must be stopped. All laws, all norms, everything must be adjusted to protect women. It is about the health and well being of women.

And this was my exact point.

The amount of concessions Men have to make in order to accommodate Women.

No fault divorce to allow her to easily leave a Marriage CONTRACT/IMPORTANT SOCIETAL PROMISE on a whim bc she “Fell out of Love”

Alimony payments to allow her to continue to live her “Lifestyle”

Welfare Payments to allow her to sleep around at will and not have to worry about accidentally popping out kids

Immigration pushes to compensate for the decreased Replenishment rate due to less families=less children

Rigged court systems in order to remove responsibility from her decisions bc of her feelings

Orwellian measures taken to ensure that she has ALL of the power in confrontations

Gender quotas to ensure that Women will be hired IRREGARDLESS of effort or ability especially in positions of POWER such as TRAITOROUS POLITICIANS AND F~~~WIT LAWYERS

I REFUSE TO KNEEL BEFORE ANY WOMAN OR CUCK WHO ATTEMPTS TO RESTRAIN MY PROSPERITY AND FUTURE OR MY POTENTIAL JUST TO PLEASE A WOMAN

MGTOW is the ONLY peaceful solution left. But even this avenue will dissappear. Yes means Yes laws are already being implemented in States in the U.S., Britain is already moving to censor the internet, the LAST BASTION of free speech, the FCC is already moving to do the same.

You refuse to kneel?

You miss the point.

It ain’t about you. It ain’t about you pleasing a woman. It ain’t about us Men. It ain’t about men and what we want, etc.

It is about women.
It is about a man’s interaction with a woman. And the aftermath.

You refuse to kneel. Yes, at this point, if you have no entanglement with women, then you have a choice.

The point you miss is after you associate with a woman.

You can refuse to kneel all you want. But, you will be forced to bend over and take it like a man.

My point is about the aftermath. If you want to be an advocate for men then realize the reality.

Associating with a woman equals hurting her.

Any interaction with a female ends badly for the man if the woman so chooses.

You have no say in the matter. You’re arguments are not relevant. Etc, etc.

The only option for a man is an empty chair.

The moment you engage with a woman picture yourself sitting in that chair.

It can’t be an empty chair if you choose to sit in it. That my brothers is the only choice you have. After you sit down, you no longer have a choice.

But that was why I pointed out that MGTOW is the only PEACFUL solution left.

But it is temporary one. What will you do when women accuse you of rape for simply disagreeing with them?

What will you do when they accuse you of harrassment for ignoring them?

Don’t want to hire women bc they’re going to get paid leave for having their Period? Too bad that is Sexist Discrimination.

You wonder why these ppl like Jordan Peterson and other blue pill mangina traditionalists attack us it is bc they are Scared stiff. They know that if the current system collapses and we return to tournament style patriarchy they don’t stand a chance.

My point is this. Women will always try to oppress Men bc they want the resources without the responsibilities.

Beta men will always try to suppress MGTOW men bc they are SCARED S~~~LESS of what would happen if the Alpha’s revolt. Turd Flinging Monkey has done videos on this as well.

MGTOW are Alpha men who have decided that THEY NEED NO WOMEN OR BLUE PILLED MEN. THAT THEY WILL BE THE DECIDERS OF THEIR OWN DESTINY AND WILL BOW TO NO GOVERNMENT, WOMAN, OR CUCK.

This is why as you stated we refuse to sit on the chair as it were.

My point is this will not last, bc they will continue to try and box us in. When the shaming doesn’t work they will turn to government. In fact they already are. Even going MGTOW cannot protect you from Yes means Yes laws, false harrassment claims, etc.

And while MGTOW is the best, most peaceful way to go that red pill you swallow is a bitter pill to take. One that you must take to grow stronger, but bitter nonetheless bc it means giving up a solid amount. It frees you and is the best course of action, but that freedom comes with a price.

He who is Brave is Free - Seneca

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Shadow1275 wrote:

patriarchy

There is no such thing. There never was. There never will be.

Even going MGTOW cannot protect you from Yes means Yes laws, false harrassment claims, etc.

But documentation can. They enact yes means yes → you drop paper on every potential sexual partner. “Sign here. And here. This will have to be notarized. And initial there. And there. And here and here and here for every fifteen minutes of intercourse. No this doesn’t cover cuddling afterwards, but pay close attention to the accidental anal clause.”

There’s already an app for that.

S~~~ like “yes means yes” is backfiring on them so hard it ain’t even funny. Well, actually it’s hilarious, but that is not our problem.

[Shadow1275Participant 1178]

sidecar wrote:

Shadow1275 wrote:

patriarchy

There is no such thing. There never was. There never will be.

Even going MGTOW cannot protect you from Yes means Yes laws, false harrassment claims, etc.

But documentation can. They enact yes means yes → you drop paper on every potential sexual partner. “Sign here. And here. This will have to be notarized. And initial there. And there. And here and here and here for every fifteen minutes of intercourse. No this doesn’t cover cuddling afterwards, but pay close attention to the accidental anal clause.”

There’s already an app for that.

S~~~ like “yes means yes” is backfiring on them so hard it ain’t even funny. Well, actually it’s hilarious, but that is not our problem.

Patriarchy did exist. Yes men sacrificed for their country and families, but there were benefits towards doing so in return.

War is hell, but so is being slaughtered and enslaved by another civilization. Or being Serfs to Pompous Elites who constantly oppress you. If you like civilization and the benefits it provides you have to support it. This is one of the major reasons why Men are going MGTOW, Civilization treats us like disposable garbage which is why we choose not to support it. Even now the real reason we don’t fight back is not bc we are being oppressed by women, but bc we are oppressed by Blue Pill White Knights who destroy us in court and arrest us.

This vid by RGE explains it perfectly. Men aren’t worried or afraid of Women, they are afraid of the state who is backed up by other Men

Bolded: I disagree

This video is on another Oklahoma law being proposed that would move Domestic Violence cases to Specialized courts like family court. And this isn’t even being proposed by Liberal Democrats, it’s by REPUBLICANS.

80% of Family Court Lawyers are FEMALE. Feminists have infiltrated high power positions in Law and Government specifically for that purpose. Document all you want but it doesn’t matter when Judge F~~~wit, Counselor Save a Ho, and The Feminist Frequency Jury have already decided that you’re guilty.

He who is Brave is Free - Seneca

[Y_Participant 4591]

Keymaster wrote:

I wanted to know what it would be like to be an MRA (Men’s Rights Activist) for a day. So took to twitter and contacted @Rep. Melissa Sargent!

With all due respect Sir, all we need to do to experience an MRA’s life is wear a pair of frilly pink panties for the day and shove a sanitary pad up our asses at night.

I know a few of them and Doris Day has more b~~~~ than the lot of them put together.

The MRA try to make peace with feminists – that is a fallacy and a contradiction of their manifesto.

Real Man

MRA

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Shadow1275 wrote:

Patriarchy did exist. Yes men sacrificed…

Wrong. Men WERE sacrificed. They didn’t have a choice. It’s called conscription. That’s not the same thing at all. And it ain’t f~~~ing “patriarchy”.

but there were benefits towards doing so in return.

A few meager “benefits” in exchange for forced and coerced service and sacrifice do not count as “patriarchy” either, especially compared to the massive benefits women received sacrificing men as disposable resources. Benefits like being able to stay at home, safe, warm, and protected.

Society has always been gynocentric. So-called “patriarchy” is a pernicious lie. And the word has no meaning outside the context of an immediate family, regardless, and even then only in ancient Rome.

[Shadow1275Participant 1178]

sidecar wrote:

Shadow1275 wrote:

Patriarchy did exist. Yes men sacrificed…

Wrong. Men WERE sacrificed. They didn’t have a choice. It’s called conscription. That’s not the same thing at all. And it ain’t f~~~ing “patriarchy”.

but there were benefits towards doing so in return.

A few meager “benefits” in exchange for forced and coerced service and sacrifice do not count as “patriarchy” either, especially compared to the massive benefits women received sacrificing men as disposable resources. Benefits like being able to stay at home, safe, warm, and protected.

Society has always been gynocentric. So-called “patriarchy” is a pernicious lie. And the word has no meaning outside the context of an immediate family, regardless, and even then only in ancient Rome.

Except that the benefit is of winning war is not being lined up and SHOT. Or herded into CAMPS and BURNED ALIVE. That and MEN BENEFIT from technology and civilization. Medicine, Architecture, Science, Transportation, etc. men BENEFIT GREATLY FROM THESE THINGS. Imagine if you had NO SUPERMARKETS for example and you HAD TO TOIL IN FIELDS OR HUNT TO GAIN MEAT. THIS IS AN IMMENSE BENEFIT TO MEN CB IT PROVIDES US MORE FREEDOM AND SAFER LIVES.

And while the draft is not perfect, MEN DID NOT GAIN THE RIGHT TO VOTE WITHOUT FIGHTING FOR IT. During the Feudal ages, the Majority of Men were Serfs who had little to no rights whatsoever. It was through war that they achieved it, and the draft was an important part of that whether you like it or not.

It was a Patriarchy bc MEN WERE THE ONLY ONES WITH THE RIGHT TO VOTE. You had anti divorce laws, adultery laws, etc.

It was when Men chose not to fight, against feminism, that they became Meat to be put in grinders for the Gynocentric s~~~ system we have today.

In this world, if you DO NOT FIGHT FOR YOUR SURVIVAL, you are crushed. EVERY civilization in history has instituted laws targeting Desertion or Cowardice bc of that fact. Yes men had it harder, BUT MEN HELD THE POWER AND WERE FREE. Women had zero voting rights and therefore were powerless. It was not until Men HANDED them rights that it became Gynocentric.

If a woman cheated on a man he could dump her or even sue her for Adultery. Just look at how in “Modern Society” where Women hold the majority vote, marriage is trash and Hypergamy is the rule.

He who is Brave is Free - Seneca

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Shadow1275 wrote:

Except that the benefit is of winning war is not being lined up and SHOT

Walking the f~~~ away gets you that benefit too. And also keeps you from being shot fighting the war. Walking the f~~~ away is win win. Sure the gynocentric society loses, and some women might have to unhappily spread their legs for their new batch of “winning” chump providers, but why should that be your concern? Just walk the f~~~ away.

That and MEN BENEFIT from technology and civilization. Medicine, Architecture, Science, Transportation, etc. men BENEFIT GREATLY FROM THESE THINGS.

Men created those things. Women didn’t. And yet women benefit more from those things. Far more than men do.

That is not “patriarchy”.

MEN DID NOT GAIN THE RIGHT TO VOTE WITHOUT FIGHTING FOR IT.

BUT WOMEN DID!

How the f~~~ can you think that was “patriarchy”?

It was a Patriarchy bc MEN WERE THE ONLY ONES WITH THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

No. Not all men. Not all fathers (I invite you to consider what patriarchy actually means).

What you are describing is an oligarchy, NOT a patriarchy. And a gynocentric oligarchy at that.

Patriarchy is a lie. It NEVER happened.

It was when Men chose not to fight, against feminism,

Fight against gynocentric feminism for the benefit of an equally gynocentric trad-con oligarchy?

The f~~~ is the point of that? Either way you’re fighting for whores, never yourself.

It’s better to walk the f~~~ away and let them collapse without you.

BUT MEN HELD THE POWER AND WERE FREE.

Bulls~~~. Tell that to these men:

They don’t look free to me.

Women had zero voting rights and therefore were powerless.

Oh. Now I get it. You don’t actually understand what political power is.

It was not until Men HANDED them rights

No. Wrong. Not rights. Privileges, actually.

that it became Gynocentric.

Wrong again. It was always gynocentric. Don’t believe me? Go here and try to find a single female grave.

Hypergamy is the rule.

Hypergamy has always been the rule. It’s basic female nature.

For all that you claim to be against feminism, your arguments are full of feminist false assumptions based on a feminist false narrative. I suggest you find them and eliminate them from your thinking. You’ll understand the world a lot better once you do that.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

sidecar wrote:

Fight against gynocentric feminism for the benefit of an equally gynocentric trad-con oligarchy?

The f~~~ is the point of that? Either way you’re fighting for whores, never yourself.

It’s better to walk the f~~~ away and let them collapse without you.

sidecar wrote:

Hypergamy has always been the rule. It’s basic female nature.

Sidecar, you are fully on my frequency.

Society was always gynocentric. In my childhood, over 45 years ago, the women behaved towards me like the woman of today treat their husbands. And back then, they were just as vile as they are today.

Back then, the women had their power “at home”. Men were controlled by them and bullied into making decisions in there favor. I can write a book on that. Women control their men up to the tiniest little bit.

It was the same on political levels. All married men had to ask their women on their opinion and of course: Follow it or risk a big marriage fight. Or risk getting no sex for “some time”.

Men in power were only the string puppets of their controlling wives…

Men were always obeying women for that golden vagina. And that lead us into wars and resulted in the totally dysfunctional gynocentric society we now have.

Women always ruled from inside the family.

Ever wondered why bachelors were not “well received” in positions of power or positions of public interest? Yes, no “female control” and that’s what scares women s~~~less.

What real power do unmarried women have?... Not much, if they get fired, that’s it…

The most vile, bossy and unfriendly c~~~s were those married to wealthy men. C~~~s so stupid that you wonder how a man could want her… But in power… Making decisions!

No more marriage, no more power for women. It’s as simple as that.

In earlier days, woman had the total control over society. Men were only the work mules coming home in the evening, too tired to argue…

… while women, not having to work, spent all of their lives –
– gossiping,
– shaping opinions
– shaping the way the world views you (ruining your reputation)
– becoming the “marketing force” and main advertising target group for the industry…

In short: Women always had the power to make your life miserable.

She could build you up or drag you down. Displease her and you would get expelled from society.

Feminism was nothing more than the “programmed order” to drag men down.

My inability to join in the circle of friends of any c~~~ always kept me free.
All c~~~s I ever known had their personal white knight male and female orbiter system (the hive) in place. And cupcake doesn’t like if her man is suddenly one of the “local top dogs” that her white knights rather leave alone or even admire. Complaining about me would have ended up being called out as a “never satisfied bitch”…

I had so many people on my side that “the c~~~ next to me” would have been powerless. And they always hated that.

Woman are control freaks. They rather have a piece of s~~~ to control than a professional high-flyer.

By going MGTOW you declare your self worth. As if you are the professional high-flyer that is wanted by other women and they would pick on “your little complaining bitch” that should rather be glad to have “gotten someone like you.

We now make women see…

… no they don’t “see” anything, but we make them suffer from the results…

… that they have to earn their way into our lives.

Become a different person or “it’s off to the cat ladies”…

That is historic.

Woman will have to change or society will die out. We men are finally getting power. We now collectively sit at the “red nuke button”.

We have had enough of women’s lovelessness, their materialistic goals and their strategic abuse of power.

Hypergamy is real… And the internet made us see that clearly.

Female nature is ruthless… We now see that.

Walking away and no longer listening to all c~~~s is real power. It removes the speakers from a loudly playing radio.

Our rule or no rule at all.

“The great indifference” we men now have is grabbing by the pussy.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

sidecar wrote:

Wrong again. It was always gynocentric. Don’t believe me? Go here and try to find a single female grave.

Yes, the “strong woman” behind her puppet doll man (we now call these men “Manginas”) was almost always the one that started fierceful neighborhood court fights in Germany. And we are at the top of the worldwide list in neighborhood feud court cases.

People fight over anything and everything and in almost all cases I have seen, it was the woman that nagged her husband “to do something about it”.

No one ever attacked me. Even though I had many old cars on my yard and woman always took offense in my place.

But being unc~~~ed, happy and successful raises them with so much suspicion that they leave you alone. It’s like they feel that you know women and the way they tick… And that they would have to fight on your level… Yes, they can’t go over to your c~~~ and tell her to “make her man do this, do that”…

If you don’t have a woman, then you are missing that “power interface” that other women use to make your life miserable.

Woman are afraid of MGTOW men. We are missing the “hive control” interface. They would have to fight on our mental and intelligence level. And get run over…

No “mangina volunteers”, no power to women… Simple as that.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Yes, what we here always discuss is

“women love drama”…

Actually it is power. The power to make your life circle around THEIR selfish needs. And drama also comes when “c~~~ A” comes to “c~~~ B” and talks with her for hours on “how much it would improve “whatever” IF HER husband would do, buy, work, clean… whatever they are talking about.

The man is always at the end of the line in which the female s~~~ flows.

No c~~~, no drama… No being forced “to do”, work for and invest in useless things.

I have seen this so many f~~~in’ times: The man begs me to do something because of his wife…

“Oh, mister Gargamel, you made my day. Without TV my wife would kill me…”

That happened more then once. LOL. And that’s why I earned well in a profession that normally closes down their small shops because of the large area electronics markets.

Married men would “pay extra” to get “the competent guy” that comes “as the chief by himself” with a VW Bus loaded full of tools and spare parts… (Mine was an former DHL mail delivery service car with higher load allowance)

So to have the problem fixed “on the spot” and get the nagging and threatening wife off of his back.

And I always had time… And I made the money. Money I wouldn’t have made with a c~~~ telling me when I have to be home.

So often I became witness to “her calming down” after the picture and sound was back on…

So many evenings, when I drove home, I turned up the music in my service car, just thinking “Oh my god, I am so glad I am free, women are nasty creatures…”

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[SolidParticipant 7520]

And what if YOU is drunk as f~~~, and don’t notice that the girl removed your condom ? Does that is considered rap as well ?

Double standards, that happened to me, what she told me ?

It’s better without condom, a lot of guys out will love what I did.

So I yell at her a lot, I spend some money paying for blood tests for HIV, and yelled so much at her to took some precautions that she took the day after pill in front of me in the other day.

You know what any feminist says when I told that story ? That man have to deal with those situation like a man, not by being pussies, and laugh at my face.

Feminism is just hypocrisy ! AWALT !

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Solid wrote:

And what if YOU is drunk as f~~~, and don’t notice that the girl removed your condom ? Does that is considered rap as well ?

Of course it’s considered rape.

According to feminists, if she pulls the condom off you, you raped her.

[Shadow1275Participant 1178]

sidecar wrote:

Shadow1275 wrote:

Except that the benefit is of winning war is not being lined up and SHOT

Walking the f~~~ away gets you that benefit too. And also keeps you from being shot fighting the war. Walking the f~~~ away is win win. Sure the gynocentric society loses, and some women might have to unhappily spread their legs for their new batch of “winning” chump providers, but why should that be your concern? Just walk the f~~~ away.

That and MEN BENEFIT from technology and civilization. Medicine, Architecture, Science, Transportation, etc. men BENEFIT GREATLY FROM THESE THINGS.

Men created those things. Women didn’t. And yet women benefit more from those things. Far more than men do.

That is not “patriarchy”.

MEN DID NOT GAIN THE RIGHT TO VOTE WITHOUT FIGHTING FOR IT.

BUT WOMEN DID!

How the f~~~ can you think that was “patriarchy”?

It was a Patriarchy bc MEN WERE THE ONLY ONES WITH THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

No. Not all men. Not all fathers (I invite you to consider what patriarchy actually means).

What you are describing is an oligarchy, NOT a patriarchy. And a gynocentric oligarchy at that.

Patriarchy is a lie. It NEVER happened.

It was when Men chose not to fight, against feminism,

Fight against gynocentric feminism for the benefit of an equally gynocentric trad-con oligarchy?

The f~~~ is the point of that? Either way you’re fighting for whores, never yourself.

It’s better to walk the f~~~ away and let them collapse without you.

BUT MEN HELD THE POWER AND WERE FREE.

Bulls~~~. Tell that to these men:

They don’t look free to me.

Women had zero voting rights and therefore were powerless.

Oh. Now I get it. You don’t actually understand what political power is.

It was not until Men HANDED them rights

No. Wrong. Not rights. Privileges, actually.

that it became Gynocentric.

Wrong again. It was always gynocentric. Don’t believe me? Go here and try to find a single female grave.

Hypergamy is the rule.

Hypergamy has always been the rule. It’s basic female nature.

For all that you claim to be against feminism, your arguments are full of feminist false assumptions based on a feminist false narrative. I suggest you find them and eliminate them from your thinking. You’ll understand the world a lot better once you do that.

Walking the f~~~ away gets you that benefit too. And also keeps you from being shot fighting the war. Walking the f~~~ away is win win. Sure the gynocentric society loses, and some women might have to unhappily spread their legs for their new batch of “winning” chump providers, but why should that be your concern? Just walk the f~~~ away.

Sigh, no it doesn’t. Even if you are MGTOW, if a Woman so much as accuses you of assault or rape you are boned. Guilty until proven innocent, in other words OPPRESSION. Like the kangaroo courts of Nazi Germany under Roland Freisler, who executed ppl even the Gestapo didn’t want to kill. Or the Witch hunt trials of Salem, Massachusetts where Tituba and a couple of Children caused a societal murder spree.

MGTOW does not protect you from Wars either. During the decline of the Roman Empire, in the latter stages they implemented Pro marriage laws that protected WOMEN and saw the exact same effects as we did. Declining marriage, increased hypergamy, increased taxes, oppression of men, etc. And Ultimately: COLLAPSE. And the Huns and Barbarians cared little whether the Men were Blue pill or Red pill, they took the Women as Slaves and Slaughtered the Men.

In the Vietnam war it didn’t matter Whether you were married, single, etc. If you lost the Lottery draft then you were sent to fight.

The problem is once again GOVERNMENT and BLUE PILL CUCKS oppressing MEN. MGTOW is a peaceful movement, but point me to ONE OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT that PEACEFULLY GAVE UP power to it’s ppl. Go ahead I’m waiting.

Men created those things. Women didn’t. And yet women benefit more from those things. Far more than men do.

First this is an empty statement with no proof backing it up. In fact there’s no way to definitively prove the statement, “Women benefit more than men from technology.” However as I stated in my previous post, we can accept that MEN Benefit TREMENDOUSLY from technology bc TECHNOLOGY ELIMINATES LABOR AND MEN ARE THE CHIEF LABORERS OF CIVILIZATION.

The Harness allows the farmer to use a horse to plow his fields instead of breaking his back doing it himself

The Coal mining machine protects men from dying from dangerous gasses as they mine deeper and deeper into the caverns

The Penicillin drug protects men from Dying of infection

Etc.

BUT WOMEN DID! How the f~~~ can you think that was “patriarchy”?

Bc they wouldn’t have been granted any rights at all if the men hadn’t given them to the Women. And they fought as Women do: with guilt and shaming tactics. But we all know how effective those are with MGTOW who are real men.

The very fact that Women had to be GRANTED the Privilege to vote by men once again shows that MEN HAD THE POWER, therefore Patriarchy. Sure Women have Soft power, but Men have a monopoly on hard power. Just look at history and tell me which Power tends to prevail.

No. Not all men. Not all fathers (I invite you to consider what patriarchy actually means).
Actually I would invite you to stop assuming that I am taking Patriarchy to it’s ultimate meaning. As I explained before Humans are tournament style Reproductive Mammals. Blue Pilled Cucks will always be dominated by Red Pill Alphas under either system. But under a Gynocentric system they are screwed under all circumstances.

The Patriarchal system where women are held accountable for their Hypergamy is still the better system bc those laws protect the Cucks. Divorce before Women were given the vote was largely illegal AND was not very plausible considering how she relied on the man to provide for her. That means that if a Blue Pill wanted a wife for Sex he was in a much better position. Patriarchal Civilizations also protect Beta Men from being outright MURDERED by nature.

Take Stephen Hawking for example. Intelligent, yet crippled by nature. However, in a civil law abiding society created by men, he has a chance to flourish and contribute to society.

Fight against gynocentric feminism for the benefit of an equally gynocentric trad-con oligarchy?

Sigh, wrong again. Tradcons don’t want an actual Patriarchy. They don’t want to remove No fault Divorce, Yes Means Yes, or any other Bulls~~~ Gynocentric drivel. They just want to be nice cucks to their wives and defend the Wimminz.

I’ll say it again, Men were not REQUIRED to marry before Women were given the right to vote. They weren’t required to Pay for a Single Mother’s children. They were simply held accountable for themselves. No Fault Divorce wasn’t even introduced until 1969 in California. TradCon is not nor has it ever been true Patriarchy, it is the Cucks trying to bring you back to the plantation. You want to collapse a Gynocentric system then I’m all for it bc Men are treated like s~~~ under said system. But if you don’t want a Patriarchy then prepare to be slaughtered by the next Patriarchy that comes knocking at your doorstep.

Bulls~~~. Tell that to these men:

The deaths of those Men is tragic for sure but it’s about time we put Male sacrifice in war into perspective instead of simply generalizing it as Gynocracy.

These are Men and Women being enslaved by the Romans, a Patriarchal Society. The women were taken as house servants and sex slaves, the Men were sent to the Salt mines to be worked to death.

These are African Men and Women being taken as Slaves by an Islamic Caliphate, a Patriarchal Society. The Women were taken as Sex slaves, the men were often castrated.

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These are African American slaves. They were enslaved by a White Patriarchal Society.

And now for some examples of Soldiers,

This is a picture of the Massachusetts 54th regiment. They fought during the Civil War to free their people. They are all men. THEY WERE NOT SLAVES.

This is a picture of the Battle of Yorktown. Drafts were implemented by several colonies. These Men fought so that their male ancestors would not be ruled under the boot of a tyrant who lived a whole Ocean away as while as an oppressive Parliament which refused to provide them representation. THESE MEN ARE NOT SLAVES.

And while their deaths are tragic, they were not without meaning. All of these men fought for societies that they believed provided them and their descendants with a high quality of life. In a Patriarchal society the pickins were good to a degree. In a Gynocentric society veterans are discarded and ignored. Compare the receiving the WW2 veterans got when they returned home to the undeserved hatred that the Vietnam veterans got. Just around the time of 2nd wave feminism too.

Wrong again. It was always gynocentric. Don’t believe me? Go here and try to find a single female grave.

Sigh, no this idea is foolish in all regards and puts Men at risk. If you want all female combat units so be it I agree. But if any single Male has to rely on a Woman for ANYTHING in combat then you put him at serious risk. This is especially true the further back you go in warfare where Size mattered more. Even mind wise, Men are superior in high stress situations.

Let me destroy this argument with a simple example. If your life depended on a Basketball game would you want to play on the All Male team or the Mixed gender team?

In fact this is a stupid argument. In our currently gynocentric society Women ARE TRYING TO enter more combat roles for the sake of equality. In the Patriarchal Society they were relegated to what they were best at: Having children.

For all that you claim to be against feminism, your arguments are full of feminist false assumptions based on a feminist false narrative. I suggest you find them and eliminate them from your thinking. You’ll understand the world a lot better once you do that.

Wrong. The one who has been using assumptions is you. In your entire post the ONLY shred of evidence you posted was photos of dead men. That is powerful evidence and their sacrifice must be respected, but it was used to only evidence 1 or 2 of your points. The rest was all claims that were not supported with hard evidence. I have used actual laws such as Patriarchal Restrictions on Divorce,Yes means Yes, No fault Divorce, Etc. to demonstrate how we have shifted from a Patriarchal Society to a Gynocentric Society AND that said Patriarchal Society was not Gynocentric. I have introduced a litany of evidence including Biological factors, specific laws and measures, examples from history etc. Your responses have been, “Wrong, apparently you know nothing of political power.” “Wrong, it was Gynocentric bc Women did not die in wars.” “Wrong, women benefit far more from technology then men.” But you lack evidence to support these claims.

That being said however, I still respect you Sidecar, you offer sound advice and bring a wealth of experience to the table. Incredible value to men. But NEVER accuse me of anything related to Feminism. Feminism is a destructive ideology that consumes all who bow to it, even those who run.

The point I am trying to get across to Men is this. I am not advocating violence against women or other men unless in self defense. MGTOW is the best peaceful solution currently. It is a form of fighting back and taking personal responsibility and sovereignty that advocates for oneself. It fits my parameters I stated earlier that one must fight in order to survive. But MGTOW is a step in escalation in response to the encroachment on the rights of men. The onslaught is not finished, not by a long shot and the other side will not rest bc they need us in order to survive. Without strong men to support society it falters, and though we may wish to go our own way they will use every means necessary to continue to extract resources from us step by step.

He who is Brave is Free - Seneca

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Shadow1275 wrote:

Sigh, no it doesn’t. Even if you are MGTOW, if a Woman so much as accuses you of assault or rape you are boned.

Which is why you document the f~~~ out of everything, and when you eventually win, you go for her throat in the courts.

And the Huns and Barbarians

SPOILER: A LOT of the “huns and barbarians” were former Romans who Went Their Own Way. Look it up.

In the Vietnam war it didn’t matter Whether you were married, single, etc. If you lost the Lottery draft then you were sent to fight.

But were women ever exposed to the draft? No. They were not.

I seriously don’t know how you consider this an argument for the existence of so-called “patriarchy”.

And for the record, there were all sorts of deferments available. Not to mention all the conscientious objectors who Went Their Own Way to Canada and Europe etc.

The problem is once again GOVERNMENT and BLUE PILL CUCKS oppressing MEN.

Yes, that is a problem, BUT IT’S NOT F~~~ING “PATRIARCHY”.

First this is an empty statement with no proof backing it up. In fact there’s no way to definitively prove the statement

Bulls~~~. Look around you. Count the number of labor saving devices in your home. How many were created to make the lives of “patriarchy oppressed housewives” easier?

Or look at birth control for that matter. How many different birth control options have men created for “patriarchy oppressed” women? How many options do men have after all these centuries of technological advance? The same three they’ve had for millenia.

TECHNOLOGY ELIMINATES LABOR AND MEN ARE THE CHIEF LABORERS OF CIVILIZATION.

Wrong. Completely wrong.

Technology aimed at women reduces labor. Compare the washing machine to beating clothes at the river with a stick.

However technology aimed at men INCREASES PRODUCTIVITY. That is not the same thing, and you need to understand the difference. Because men are the chief PRODUCERS OF CIVILIZATION, not mere laborers.

Actually I would invite you to stop assuming that I am taking Patriarchy to it’s ultimate meaning.

“Ultimate meaning”? Really? So called “patriarchy” has no meaning. It has NEVER EXISTED. Ever. It’s just feminists misusing the English language for their own benefit, AND YOU ARE FALLING FOR THAT BULLS~~~.

The Patriarchal system where women are held accountable

Oh for f~~~’s sake. Women have never been held accountable. In the feminist fantasy “patriarchy” of the 19th century and earlier HUSBANDS WENT TO JAIL FOR CRIMES COMMITTED BY THEIR WIVES. They were forced to pay the taxes their wives unilaterally accrued.

How the f~~~ do you think that’s holding them accountable?

Even in modern so-called “patriarchies” (which arenot actually patriarchies) like orthodox Islam, men and even boys have a strict obligation to work to support their female family members, while muslim women who choose to earn a wage are under no obligations whatsoever with their earnings. What he earns, she keeps. What she earns, she keeps. So no, that’s not “patriarchy”.

You’re living in feminist fantasy la la land using a feminist broken dictionary, and you don’t even know it.

Patriarchal Civilizations also protect Beta Men from being outright MURDERED by nature.

Bulls~~~. Pure bulls~~~. Ignoring the fact that so-called “patriarchy” has never existed, consider the ancient quote (it’s even in the Bible): “He who does not work, neither shall he eat.”

Notice how it says “he” and not “she”? It ALWAYS says he and not she.

This very line even turned up at the Jamestown Colony. An endeavor which, being all male, is just about the closest thing possible to hypothetical “patriarchy”.

However, in a civil law abiding society created by men, he has a chance to flourish and contribute to society.

But that “civil law abiding society created by men” IS NOT A F~~~ING “PATRIARCHY”, and never was. There are women with zero disabilities whatsoever who are coddled far more than Mr. Hawking. Meanwhile men without Mr. Hawking’s special talents are left to rot on the street. Compare the numbers of men throughout history left homeless versus women. How the f~~~ can that be “patriarchy”?

Men were not REQUIRED to marry before Women were given the right to vote.

Seriously? You just mentioned the Roman marriage laws in the same f~~~ing post. Don’t you think they happened a little bit before women’s suffrage?

Are you even thinking about what you, yourself have just written?

Gynocracy

I have not once said gynocracy. I have spoken a lot about gynocentrism, but that is not the same thing. Learn the difference.

And for what it’s worth, it looks like you are thinking a gynocracy is the mirror of a supposed patriarchy. It’s not. That would be a gynarchy, which is not the same thing either. Look that up as well.

the Romans, a Patriarchal Society.

The Romans were only patriarchal in the context of the Roman family. Their society was first oligarchic and then autocratic. Not the same thing. And they were gynocentric as f~~~.

The women were taken as house servants and sex slaves, the Men were sent to the Salt mines to be worked to death.

Women live. Men die. NOT PATRIARCHY.

Islamic Caliphate, a Patriarchal Society.

Not a patriarchy. I covered this above.

The Women were taken as Sex slaves, the men were often castrated.

Women are protected and valued. Men are mutilated.

Gynocentric. Not patriarchy.

They were enslaved by a White

Oh don’t even try to make that argument with me.

They were enslaved by their black neighbors and occasionally by muslims. The whites merely bought them.

Let me destroy this argument with a simple example. If your life depended on a Basketball game would you want to play on the All Male team or the Mixed gender team?

Don’t be stupid or intentionally miss the point.

You think all those casualties of war died in combat? Yes men are better fighters, but actual fighting is only a very small part of what it takes to win a war.

Women can carry water.

But they are never required to. THAT is the point you keep failing to grasp. And I’m beginning to think that’s intentional.

Rosie the riveter was not conscripted. Rosie the riveter had a choice. The men in those graves had no choice and were sent off to die. While women kept their protected privileged place in our gynocentric society to help the war effort or not as it pleased them.

Just like women always have.

That is NOT F~~~ING PATRIARCHY.

In our currently gynocentric society Women ARE TRYING TO enter more combat roles for the sake of equality.

LOLNO.

And so what?

They are bitching and moaning to have the choice to enter combat roles so they can make a pretense of “equality”. And as soon as conflict turns up, they drop out of those roles as fast as they can.

They are most definitely NOT fighting to have women conscripted, and especially not conscripted into combat roles. That would be actual equality. Women don’t want actual equality. They want the draft to remain firmly on the heads of men.

In the Patriarchal Society they were relegated to what they were best at: Having children.

Not patriarchy.

And hardly “relegated”.

Spending a few months of discomfort every few years having babies is infinitely preferable to being forced to die in a war. Give women those alternatives and they will choose motherhood every f~~~ing time. And lie and call it “oppression”.

Meanwhile men don’t get a choice. So no, no patriarchy here.

In fact women’s ability to give birth is the source of gynocentrism. It’s the whole reason for their protected and privileged position in society.

In your entire post the ONLY shred of evidence

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I assumed I wouldn’t have to document the blatantly obvious for you when you can find examples all around you.

Apparently I was wrong.

And “patriarchy” is still a feminist lie.

Feminists took the historical (and current) protected and privileged position women have always had in human society, called it “oppression” and incorrectly labeled it “patriarchy” (because it wouldn’t work to call it what it really is: gynocentrism).

Feminists misuse lots of words. Like “equality”.

But as a man you should know better than to keep making their (intentional) mistakes and repeating their lies.

And please learn how to quote.

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Shadow1275 wrote:

But MGTOW is a step in escalation in response to the encroachment on the rights of men. The onslaught is not finished, not by a long shot and the other side will not rest bc they need us in order to survive. Without strong men to support society it falters, and though we may wish to go our own way they will use every means necessary to continue to extract resources from us step by step.

Don’t worry. There are still plenty too many simps in the world that will give women whatever they want. YOU / I / WE are just not one of them.

Women can’t “extract resources” from any man who is willing to GIVE it to her. Consider the hashtag #giveyourmoneytowomen. Is that really your concern? Are they going to reach into your wallet if you don’t?

sidecar wrote:

IT’S NOT F~~~ING “PATRIARCHY”.

@shadow1275

What @sidecar means when he says “the patriarchy” is a myth is this…

Pretend you live in a society of 10 men and 10 women. If 3 men invent an airplane, compose and Opera and build the internet.. is that a “PATRIARCHY”??

No –>> it’s simply called THE REAL WORLD.

It’s the place where MEN made the initiative, faced the dangers, and conquered the insurmountable forces of nature, made decisions, and build civilizations while women manufactured their own “oppression” and let the DANGERS of building of civilization fall squarely on the shoulders of men.

And NOW that western civilization is built and all the cushy comforts have been provided to women – including their running water, electricity, walls, floors and ceilings …. they have now chosen THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME to think they can compete with men and call it a “patriarchy”??

No.

It’s not “patriarchy” when men allowed themselves to die for the protection and provision of women. The very word “patriarchy” is so far off the mark and it is an insult to the sacrifices and efforts of men.

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