Analysis: relationships with women as an economic bubble

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

LionOnTheLoose-

Interesting post. Thanks.
I agree totally.
Women come with “costs”.
Some of the costs are financial. Some of the costs are emotional.

As you pointed out, women are a terrible investment. Expected value of a woman is probably negative.
A woman’s sexual market value declines over time, while her bitchiness increases over time. And any woman has the ability to spend far more than you make.

A woman comes with emotional costs. The stress and anxiety a woman augers can literally kill you.

The choice is obvious.
“De-c~~~” I think is the expression used around here.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Interesting.

I think your argument would carry more weight if you limited it’s scope to ‘marriage w/women’ as opposed to ‘relationships w/women’. EDIT – and by that I don’t mean that I disagree w/you to the extent of what I do as an individual, but rather how society as a whole would perceive these relationships.

If by ‘relationships w/women’ you mean traditional dating/courting then we’ve already experienced the diminishment of it. Between women’s liberation and the advent of apps such as Tinder, the younger generations aren’t dating so much, per say, any longer, but f~~~ing; and most of them aren’t even monogamous while doing that.

If by ‘relationships w/women’ you mean the thirst for pussy, then I think the argument carries even less weight. The economy and pussy are somewhat disanalogous. Reason, mathematics, and logic aren’t directly transferable or scalable to the desire for pussy, as it’s rather: hormones and lust which fuel that fire.

But, I’d be pleasantly surprised if more and more men went MGTOW, didn’t put pussy on a pedestal, and just DGAF. Maybe they will.

But, there seems to be an endless sea of blue pilled simps or (wanna be) PUA in the world.

Really interesting point, thanks. You’re right that it definitely applies most of all to marriage. I meant “traditional courting”, which I realise as you say has significantly diminished. You’re right about hookups, Tinder etc., although I do think (from what I see, anyway, and admittedly the young people I teach in a university are relatively conservative) that there is still quite a bit of dating/long term relationships/men in their early 20s who are being manginas rather than just chads. Also, between leaving my wife and becoming red pill, I did a bit of dating in London and people do still go on dates: but it is very much about women extracting resources from men short-term. Getting them to buy them drinks, food etc.

SESQUI ano est wrote:

I can’t wait for those hyper realistic sex robots. It gives me a reason to live a long life, not because I want a sex robot (I do), but because I want to see how women react when they can’t compete with the sex robot on any front.

I too am fascinated to see what happens. I think the reason a lot of women get self-righteous about porn is because it threatens them. Already, the combination of an Amazon Echo Dot (Alexa) and porn provides more value in my life than a wife would: Alexa can do basic diary operations, tell me the weather, do arithmetical calculations when I ask her to, and (its best feature) shuts the f~~~ up when I want. And then I can get off to porn.

It occurs to me that I’ll be 68 if I make it to 2050, so I might not have much libido for the sex functions given how my sex drive already seems to be falling off after a year of being monk, but a realistic robot would be amazing. I sometimes think when I’m out late how great it’d be to have a robot at home who’d closed the curtains and got dinner ready. More than any c~~~ would do these days.

SESQUI ano est wrote:

Life is still good Lion. […] Great thread gentlemen. Loved reading you responses.

Very glad to hear both of those things!

Arcturis wrote:

This is SO true. At the start of my ‘main’ relationship she suffocated me with ‘love’. I literally didn’t know how to react.

I’ve had that too. Have you heard the term “lovebombing”? Where you’re attacked with excessive affection. It’s a known tactic.

Arcturis wrote:

Cut back to 6 months ago and after I’d cooked dinner, she’d get herself a plate, cutlery and a drink – not even think about me. It’s the little things that just showed she didn’t care anymore – my value had expired.

Lol, how sad.

This really made me angry for you, Arcturis. I know in a way it’s a small thing, but it really made me mad. (Maybe because I cooked countless dinners and got treated like this too.) Not only had you earned the money to buy that food, you’d gone to the trouble of cooking it for her. The least she could do is acknowledge you, thank you, share it with you, whatever. You can bet if it were the other way around and she’d cooked then there’d be merry hell to pay if you behaved like that. It just infuriates me that women should take men for granted like this; if men used to do that in the 1950s then surely feminism was about stopping that and creating equality, but no.

The more I see of women, the more heartless they seem. “Strong woman” blah blah…I don’t know about strong, but I do think there’s something…tough about them. Maybe you need to be tough to push humans out of your vagina, I don’t know…but so many of the cliches about women being compassionate, nurturing etc., are rubbish.

Arcturis wrote:

I’ve been following this thread as I find it very interesting – just didn’t have anything to add until now.

Ah, good to know! To any other lurkers, hey there. Nice to know you’re reading too. 🙂

Prefer Peace to Piece wrote:

Interesting post. Thanks. […] A woman’s sexual market value declines over time, while her bitchiness increases over time. And any woman has the ability to spend far more than you make.

Cheers, Prefer. Yes, exactly that: a man in his 20s is like a blue-chip stock with prospects for steady growth. A woman in her 20s is like an overvalued stock which everyone is investing in, but whose business model will cease to work in 5 years.

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

An points based cost/benefit analysis of what a relationship can do for you is an excercise I found useful.

I listed all the pros and cons of a relationship and then assigned points, positive figures for pros and negative figures for cons. The range was from -20 to +20.

For instance, the immense joy and inspiration from meer company with a girlfriend could be +15, the sex she gives +18, and the prospect of being a father +12. How about the saved income from splitting rent, +15. I really dove deep to find the benefits and was generous.

But alas the cons were numerous, just a few: threat of infidelity and the emotional grief it causes -19. Risk of child support and alienation from child, -15. Risk of STDs -10. Loss of personal time & hobbies -14.

For me, the negative figures outweighed the benefits by about -10%-15%. What really drove me to monk was knowing first hand the grief and emotional angst a woman can cause. Couple that with the legal/financial risks, women just weren’t worth the high. My specific personality also seems to limit my chances because I do have a short tolerance. Im not perfect and acknowledge my shortcomings and try to improve but I wont play a game where the odds are stacked against me.

My solitude affords me ample time to discover, create and enjoy aspects of experience that simply arent available to a man who is preoccupied with a woman. The esctasy a woman catalyzes is illustrious but limited in my opinion. Add on the trouble she brings, I just cant make an argument for not going my own way.

[black_knightParticipant 2602]

Excellent thread, one of the best I’ve seen in a long time. Thank you for posting LionOnTheLoose. I view the evolution of this thread in roughly the same vein as the distinction between happiness and pleasure.

I think this is where a lot of blue pilled men glitch. They confuse pleasure with happiness, but they’re two different concepts.

Pleasure is transitory and momentary, and is certain to come from association with women (at first) – think of a firework burning bright, but fizzling out quickly. But happiness is much less transitory and more permanent and substantial, and this can only come from within oneself – think of slow burning embers which burn much less bright, but for longer, and more surely.

Moreover, I believe happiness can come only from within oneself when one has learnt to be content on his own, and has avoided women for enough time so that singleness feels nautral. This is the truth which blue pilled men never face, and can’t face. This is because they’ve been conditioned to believe they cannot achieve happiness without a woman, and mistake the feelings of pleasure for the happiness that social narratives have promised them since early adolescence.

All it takes is for men across the board to understand this important distinction, and have the courage to step back and start a love affair with themselves (the MGTOW golden principle I suppose), and the whole marketplace of women would come crashing down like a deck of cards. Yes, women are most certainly over-valued.

Viva la wall.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

LionOnTheLoose,

Thought you might like this thread which is very similar to yours:

Male Sexuality Created a Bubble

From the OP of that thread:

Women rest in a bubble of comfort and convenience and it is created by male sexuality. The desire for men to live with, love, and f~~~ women is misused today than it had ever been.

…

Fortunately the bubble isn’t at the same atmospheric pressure as the external world where men reside. To keep the bubble floating it requires constant input of attention, money, validation etc and male sexuality allows all of this.

…

As and if the bubble starts to shrink more and more women would be forced to step out of that comfortable delusional existence and see the world as men have lived it for eons.

Resident cynic.

[Author]

Posts