An Australian perspective

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

It’s 8:12pm here in Townsville North Queensland, just thought I’d spend a few minutes offering up my story.

Also, I’m happy to answer any questions relating to Australians conditions regarding Marriage, Divorce Law, Women from my experience etc.

So anyway, a little about me, I’m 46, slightly overweight (I prefer comfortable but what the f~~~, who’s going to believe that anyway right?) and fairly sure i was not an Alpha Male at any time in my life.

So I married a woman a few years ago after 6-7 years of living together, what a f~~~ing mistake, I built a house, settled into a job i didn’t really like that paid well, she got pregnant after spending years telling me she couldn’t have kids and completely let herself go to s~~~ afterwards.

Don’t get me wrong I love my now 11 year old daughter and have her week on, week, off, at least i did for the last two years until my ex (not yet divorced officially) lost her job – went into money panic mode and demanded more money in child support. long story short, many arguments later and my daughter has now “Magically” decided that she wants to spend more time with her mother. I am loathe to ask the question as to whether or not her mother is pushing her into this, (more time with mum means dad pays more), It’s just not something you involve a child in.

As it turns out (and I’m sure many of you blokes are under a similar situation) married and DeFacto married men in Australia are living beneath a swinging axe that is the whim of their female partners. By this i mean that the law is totally skewed in women’s favor in every category you care to think of. Perhaps more tellingly, at a whim a woman here can cast an accusation of child abuse, sexual abuse, mental abuse etc, and the authorities automatically assume she is telling the truth, without so much as hearing the man’s side of the story. So, ultimately I can end up in prison if she gets a bad bout PMS . which brings me to how I found MGTOW.

The whole situation got me to thinking about how many other men were not just in this situation but what thoughts they had about how to deal with it etc. The internet being the great leveler that it is, I found very little in Australia, not sure if that’s from apathy? We can be very apathetic about men’s issues here as there is still a predominant belief that men can handle ANYTHING they are dealt. Which brought me to YouTube and MGTOW videos. I haven;t taken the red pill yet but it looking better every day.

Happy to go into more details with anyone wishing to get info on the Australian perspective.

Cheers for reading.

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[…Spectator 1165]

Hey Assiebloke: thanks for sharing your story about how you found this place. I can’t speak for anyone on here but I for one would welcome any stories from your land. Alexa.com – a statistics website about other websites and trends –  has your country as the second most MGTOW filled country in the world next to the US which is where I am. So you are probably living in a land of brothers and many of them aren’t public about it because it would cost them money, their reputation, or their very lives. At least that’s whats going on on the West Coast of the US where I am.

The site here is a good group. lotta truth being told, a lotta fun being had. in case you are curious, here a link to my story:

/forums/topic/my-story-2/

Welcome to the forums.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I believe the correct way to greet you is “G’day”. Aussie, welcome to MGTOW. I nodded through your intro. Thank you for dropping it, and for joining. It’s not just Australia. Everything you describe will finish you off in Canada and the US in the same way. One call to 911 and you’re sleeping in jail tonight. Never been there myself , but wives threaten and say things like “I’ll divorce you so fast it will make your head spin” as in the film “American Beauty”, using their kids as hostages and for leverage. Lovely.

Of course her mother is pushing her into this, but probably not OVERTLY.

Covertly.

The skewed laws in the female favor (even when not warranted) and largely anti-male bias is not limited to your corner of the world. Google shows us there is always a site visitor from there.

My parents were always married but I didn’t understand my father when I was young…. I understood him perfectly later. There were times when my mom tried to get us to side with her and she would expect us to “gang up” on Dad at times. I was hip to it and when she was out of line I supported my father and spoke up. But I was a free-thinker earlier in life than others.

How to deal with it? As long as you always assume any advice you receive online will yield long-term negative outcomes, then I might offer (having such little legal recourse) just to be there when she needs you and to make all interactions FUN. Nothing replaces a fun Dad. My brother manages his daughters very rigidly. They are 10 and 12. And he is not “fun” in his methods. So It’s hardly competition when I visit. They are thrilled.

With them, I am FUN and they laugh and get out of control and we have a great time. He interrupts (like a miserable WIFE would) and tells them to “calm down” and they pout because he’s being a buzzkill….. but we still maintain eye contact… and joke and smile when he’s not looking. Although I see them rarely, they can’t wait to see me every time. I’m the “fun” one. He resents me for this.

Its nice to be missed. I know it’s not the same if she’s your daughter and it must be devastating ….but if it were me, I would TRY to rise above it and know that if she is trying to alienate you it can be used to your advantage. Meaning , women understand force differently than we do. They use manipulation, backstabbing and ostracizing to “win” and get their way. By not being that kind of person, you win by being the kind of person your daughter WANTS to be around more.

As I said, online advice is sure to yield long term negative outcomes but as long as you understand that, if there is something of value here, take it and discard the rest. But perhaps it helps to know that you were heard and understood.

Perhaps some of the archive videos and audios here (very red pills, some of them) will assist in realizing we are not as “powerless” as we think. Many MGTOW are men who TAKE BACK and reclaim some of what they too willingly gave away…. and like Kevin Spacey said in American Beauty, “it’s never too late to get it back”. It may surprise you how many of the terms can be re-written by you and before long , you may feel bullet proof. A slight adjustment in attitude and outlook is often all that’s required.

All the best.. in your quest. Try not to devour too many red pills at once though. They are addictive.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; line-height: 22.8571434020996px;”>Thanks gents I appreciate your words and your welcome.</span>

“But perhaps it helps to know that you were heard and understood.”

I’m sure you all know just how important that sentiment is. Some sage words all round there, again thank you.

I was watching a MGTOW video about a bloke who had a vasectomy and realized the value of NOT telling his future partners upfront. (we call these women “Roots” —it means women we only want for a f~~~). The outcome when she tried to trap him into marriage with pregnancy from another bloke was just f~~~ing hilarious, I am so tempted to have a vasectomy just to be able to do that – childish of me perhaps, but once your dignity is stripped from you what is left but to seek joy where you can?

 

I need an evil emoti

 

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I’ll pass on this story. You’ll appreciate. In a city in the US, there was a girl working as a nurse who was from some 3rd world former Soviet bloc s~~~-hole country. She had decided that working for a living was too much effort and being blond, blue eyed and fairly attractive, devised a plan whereby she would get herself pregnant and use the support money to set herself up back home where support money (paid in American dollars) would go a long way. She decided that if she could get herself pregnant by a married man, she might be able to extract even more money as blackmail for keeping quiet about the baby.

Her first target was an older, successful married doctor with a happy family who seemed to have money, and plenty of reason to want to keep quiet any news about the resulting baby. She successfully got him into an affair and began having sex with him at every opportunity…promising him she was on birth control but obviously not taking it. He seemed to trust her about this and continued having sex with her whenever the opportunity allowed. This regular sex went on for months and months, but no pregnancy resulted. She was young and healthy and knew she was fertile so the problem couldn’t be her. After sex with this guy for about a year, she finally gave up on him…but not on the plan. She decided the problem must be with him and so she broke it off with him to target one of this guy’s colleagues, another successful, married doctor.

She was successful in starting an affair with this guy and began banging his brains out as well. This too went on for many months, but still no pregnancy. To reassure herself, she got herself tested and proved for certain that the problem wasn’t her. After riding this second doctor for about a year, still no pregnancy. She gave up on him as well, but was still committed to the plan.

After doing this with several other married doctors, never getting pregnant, but eventually getting the well deserved reputation for town bicycle, the stigma of becoming well known for what she was among other nurses was starting to have a negative effect. She finally gave up and left town, assuming there must be something int he water, or some kind of radiation leak that had created some kind of defect in all those married men she’d been riding who couldn’t get her pregnant.

She never figured it out, but all those married doctors knew each other and were close friends. They had gone to school together or done residencies together and their relationships went back for years. They saw each other at hospitals and professional society meetings all the time.

They had also all gotten their vasectomies from the same urologist in that same town… 😀

They had seen this girl and her plan for what it was right from the very beginning…warned each other, and had just passed her around among themselves. Other nurses who were not as attractive (and jealous of her looks) knew what she was trying to do, and knew that those guys were all sterile. They never told her, but gossip’d and laughed at her behind her back.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[DazzleParticipant 67]

Welcome mate. I stayed in Townsville for a month quite a few years ago, nice little place! It must be bloody hot up there this time of year, it’s cold,wet and windy here in Pom-land!

If you haven’t  already, you might want to try MGTOW  Australia on You Tube. There quite a bit on there. Good hunting and don’t let them drag you down.

 

 

[Anonymous 42]

@AusieBlock, I was calling marriage a dog license, hung from a collar, attached to a MAN/DOG….. I stand corrected, it’s a gelatin and you’re strapped to it, wishing you were a dog.

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; line-height: 22.8571434020996px;”>MG-Tower: “I was calling marriage a dog license, hung from a collar, attached to a MAN/DOG….. I stand corrected, it’s a gelatin and you’re strapped to it, wishing you were a dog.”</span>

MG-Tower, I wasn’t trying to correct you mate, I think all these analogies are equally valid.

Got to say you have a particularly good comic way of presenting them too, laughed haughtily on the above – Choice!

 

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[…Spectator 1165]

Aussiebloke: that avatar is cool as f~~~ man!

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

Welcome mate
I’m Victorian myself and y’can keep the heat up north thanks..
As Keymaster said, your girls mother probably isnt pushing her per se. More along the lines of manipulating the time they spend together and the words she uses.
Not only does dad pay more but centrestink will too.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

Thanks ListenUp! Surprising what 15 mins in MS Paint will do.

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

Thanks FitzBones, yes I know all too well how that woman manipulates without “Actually” saying what she wants.

Just as an example, she said to me the other day that she is worried I will “Hurt” my daughter, having never so much as raised a hand to my child.

I am now in so much fear of a false accusation being made to the authorities that I have decided to stop having my daughter stay with me overnight.

I will from now on (I feel I have no other realistic option) see her for specific activities during the day and ONLY in a public setting.

It’s literally breaking my heart and am now seeking professional advice from a Councillor.

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Aussie: welcome.

I’m sorry to hear that she may be setting you up for a false accusation but you’re right in taking precautions. Even if you do, if she is wacko enough it won’t matter what you did to protect yourself because she’ll just invent it out of the blue. Her word against yours. Unless you were to wear a body cam like a lot of policemen do and recorded every second of your visitations with her, if the bitch is crazy enough it won’t matter. And while I know you love your daughter, your ex looks like she’s trying to turn her against you (“my daughter has now “Magically” decided that she wants to spend more time with her mother. I am loathe to ask the question as to whether or not her mother is pushing her into this, (more time with mum means dad pays more), It’s just not something you involve a child in.”). The problem is that if she succeeds in poisoning your child’s opinion of you it’s possible that if it’s severe enough your own child may innocently misinterpret a sign of affection on your part, mention it in passing to your ex and then have it used against you. I know other men on this site are in similar situations – it would be helpful to know how they approach this problem, but even more informative would be advice from a lawyer on how to avoid this problem – anyone with legal knowledge here?

Me personally: I walk on the side of the street where there are no children playing, and when in public spaces like stores I steer clear of them, even the ones with their mom in the grocery checkout line – women have villainized the lone older male so much here in the U.S. that it isn’t worth even talking friendly with a kid lest you be viewed as a potential sex offender. It sucks but that’s the reality.

[…Spectator 1165]

Aussie: damn it that sucks man. women use children as weapons. this woman has really f~~~ed up your life. problem is, she will continue. when your daughter is spending the majority of her time with her mom, mom will turn her mentally against you with brainwashing. she is using the “i don’t feel safe” thing and making s~~~ up against you. she should be arrested for mentally damaging your child. mental abuse. i’m not a lawyer, but that is what i’m thinking. dunno if this will help as a strategy but what about this: your case is that for the sake of your child’s mental health, is it necessary for both you and the woman to present as much of a unified parenting concept as possible to the child which IS socially acceptable and I don’t think any judge can argue that even divorced or soon to be divorced couples should be doing things destructive to the mind of the children. i would then point out the various examples of this with recordings of your daughter just interacting with you. you won’t have to make anything up. you’ll hear whatever mommy planted in daughter’s mind coming right out her mouth. the woman is already doing this mental poisoning of your child and here’s the reason: all women are insecure and must bolster their position, no matter how stupid, with social and personal backup. this is how they get by with this horrible s~~~…..they create NUMBERS. 2 against 1 is what you are looking at. i have been in some nasty situations where i observed this first hand when i was dating single mothers. the single mother says horrible things about the father to the child all week. then when dad gets four f~~~ing hours….forget it…..he is going to hear the ex wife’s f~~~ing bulls~~~ coming at him out of the daughter’s mouth the whole time. goddamit man, i feel for you. you probably love your kid more than anything. and for this, you must be punished? i mean, what the f~~~ man? society is crazy.

GoneGalt: very good observations man. the way most woman do this (and I have seen this many times) is like this: 01 they get stuck in their heads about the wrongs you have done to them. 02 they go ask around the hive about how to punish you  03 they get the death to men list out (i’ll have to make this but blue2red did a great one today) 04 they realize they could probably get more cash out of you by brainwashing the kid 05 they put the kid through rigorous questioning about the visit with dad afterwords  06 they add their strategic lies to everything the kid says and make the kid say those things out loud and back to them 07 they implant in the kid’s mind that any contact with you is molestation, etc. 08 they file some sort of charge or false complaint. 09 system ignores all facts, decrees the man must pay more cash. damn, this s~~~ is f~~~ed up.

[AussieBlokeParticipant 144]

Hi fellas, thanks for all the words of advice.

Quick update – I went and spoke to the councilor today. I can’t say he was very sympathetic to my situation.

Basically he said that I was imagining the potential for false accusation and that the “Legal System” here in Australia would be sufficiently thorough in investigating any complaint that I need not worry.

There were a whole bunch of other issues discussed, I even tried to outline my other fears about the way men are perceived by society  and he said I was “Catastrophising” my emotions.

I have to say that the session simply reinforced for me what you guys are all saying about the balance now being so skewed in favor of women that the damn scales are about to fall over!

This was all from a man who no doubt attended many “Women’s Issues” sessions as part of his university degree but as there are none relating to men’s issues he has no understanding from of them in a professional sense.

I’ll try to keep everyone here updated. at this stage I’m seriously thinking of quitting my job, splitting the superannuation and just f~~~ing walking away. I can always give my daughter my side of the story when she gets older.

I can’t stay in the current situation (even if I am over-estimating it).

The harder the fight the sweeter the victory

[…Spectator 1165]

Aussie: yeah, bummer man….judge is a f~~~ing idiot. start planning your exit strategy. lotta guys can help you here. good to see you man.

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