An apology might be in order…

[Anonymous 1]

Hello,

So, as some of you might know, I started the whole thread about racists black men, sometime ago. At the time I didn’t see what was worng with the thread, and for the most part I still don’t. My aim, at that moment, was to criticize men that uses their skin color as an excuse to try and divide Mgtow (or to try to blame tohers for their won failures, for that matter). And although that seemed to be the general consensus at that post, some friction was still generated.

After reading some coments and put some though, I would like to apologize for the way I expressed my views. Note that, I am not apologizing for criticizing those men I criticized on that video. I still think that racism is racism no matter what color of your skin is. However I don’t believe that the ends justify the means, and although that thread showed that Mgtow, at least here, are in a consensus when it comes to the “race” issue (which is… it doesn’t matter what is yours, men are men. period.), it also caused some unecessry attriction.

I am guessing that this might be because of my use of words, and because of that, maybe the message I was trying to convey was diluted and/or missed. I don’t back off when I think the conflict is necessary, but I also apologize when I think I did wrong and upon further analysis I am reaching the conclusion that, in this case, there was no need for generating conflict.

I would like to point out a few things though:

– I don’t think any “race” has a pass for not being held to a minimum standard. My opinion on stupid people is equally low, regardless of the “race” of the person showing poor judgement skills (wether it is racism, or any other type of ill/stupid/detrimental “belief”. SPECIALLY, when said belief is to the detriment of men, because pussy said so).

– I don’t think political correctness is a good thing either. People should be able to try to express their opinions, and we (people in general) should judge such opinions based on their CONTENT, not SEMANTICS, or FEELINGS. I still prefer a painfull truth then a cosy LIE. And a little of common sense and sense of humor can do wonders.

That said, I may have been a little too coarse on the way I dealt with the subject at hand. Also, this place, mgtow.com, is, after all, a place for mgtows to get together, and if that thread made divise when, on the core, people agree on their ideals, then it backfired, and for that I do apologize.

Make no mistake though. I am not apologizing for other people’s feelings or to “dodge” any consequence of my actions. I am apologizing for my own sense of justice, since I am starting to think I should have been able to handle that subject better.

Anyway, that’s what I have to say.

Have a good weekend you all.

Cheers

[Anonymous 12]

I thought it was a great post. If MGTOW and men in general are going to get anywhere than we can’t be playing race cards and causing division the way the guy on the clip you posted was doing.

Also I think it is important for Non White MGTOW’s to understand that White men were the first men targeted by Feminism and Marxism and that if you want to demonize a race, gender or sexuality than pick on a White Straight Guy and no one will say a word.

So what you posted was spot on and from what I saw most of us agreed with you.

 

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

Anyone who uses the power of the government (or a mob when there’s a difference) is utterly reprehensible and deserves the harshest criticism. (Trouble is, their critics become instant targets.) So, no need to apologize, not to me anyway.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I echo the other replies to this post. Your INTENTIONS in that thread were sincere and genuine. You brought a subject to light, that is otherwise hidden by the media. You had ZERO ill intentions. If ANYONE *twisted*it otherwise, that is THEIR agenda.

The fact that you have BOTH the conscious and GUILT to make an apology thread, is demosntobable of the fact that your intentions were sincere, but also this “white guilt” complex is systemic.

You did NO wrong by calling out a black racist. I think it was a healthy post.

Hats off to you.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

To address this thread in more detail: I WISH I could have a meaningful bond/friendship with some of the black people I know. I grew up having deep roots in: jazz, regae, mod, blues, rock, and punk rock music. Most of which had an affinity to black roots. I f~~~ing DIG that s~~~! Their ability to express thselves in such a slick way: cool as F~~~!

When I listen to some of the artistic talent they created I am moved beyond words. Simply inspirational.

The problem becomes when EVERY issue is racist. Even if it occurred before EITHER of us even existed. I believe the media attempts to drive blacks against whites, and THAT created a false sense of division that doesnt even exist.

From my perspective as a white man I can say this: the ONLY division I feel with blacks, is that THEY view ME as racist. Which I will NOT tolerate, because I am not.

Resident cynic.

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

Saw no wrong in it.

 

[experiencedParticipant]

“I was deeply offended and will no longer post on this site.”

(thunderous applause…)

(…continues)

 

“Wait a second.”

 

 

BTW just joking.

You did fine.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[MrCoweaterParticipant 0]

Roy Dal: Damn, I must be a crummy person! I’m a firm believer in using women to achieve my goals.

If I was in a corporate office workplace, I’d frequently point out that I looked scruffy and needed a promotion at work to buy a new suit and managers might overlook our team’s performance due to other teams looking better and being more presentable to clients. If the women in my team wanted to promote a woman to leadership instead I’d suggest taking up donation plate to buy me new threads. My being promoted would probably be seen as the lessor evil. Appealing to a woman’s fashion sense and their perception of themselves as being lowered by others new handbags or better colour co-ordination or people they work with or other vanity can work wonders for motivating women to do things that are in your favour.

Women are vain, I believe firmly in using them not just as sex toys but to achieve whatever it is I want. I’d even stoop so low as to use feminists to demonise men, women and those unsure to get a pay rise. All hail the dollar!

[RoyDalParticipant]

MrCoweater wrote:

Roy Dal: Damn, I must be a crummy person! I’m a firm believer in using women to achieve my goals.

If I was in a corporate office workplace, I’d frequently point out that I looked scruffy and needed a promotion at work to buy a new suit and managers might overlook our team’s performance due to other teams looking better and being more presentable to clients. If the women in my team wanted to promote a woman to leadership instead I’d suggest taking up donation plate to buy me new threads. My being promoted would probably be seen as the lessor evil. Appealing to a woman’s fashion sense and their perception of themselves as being lowered by others new handbags or better colour co-ordination or people they work with or other vanity can work wonders for motivating women to do things that are in your favour.

Women are vain, I believe firmly in using them not just as sex toys but to achieve whatever it is I want. I’d even stoop so low as to use feminists to demonise men, women and those unsure to get a pay rise. All hail the dollar!

Attack their weaknesses, avoid their strengths. Attack is always better than defense. Know your enemy and you have won before the war starts. This is straight out of Sun Tzu’s Art of War, Machiavelli’s The Prince and Robert Greene’s 48 Laws of Power! Take your pick.

I cannot extol those books enough. That goes double for 48 Laws of Power. If you want to survive, live long, and prosper in a hostile hierarchy, then you need this knowledge. Hint: All hierarchies are inherently hostile to those who can’t obey their unwritten rules.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BONEParticipant 448]

As a black man myself I can tell you right now racism is alive and well in the black community, it’s kinda embarrassing for me to admit this honestly but I see it every single day, it doesn’t help that all these bulls~~~ schools are teaching our people that “we used to be slaves, the WHITE MAN used to beat us and f~~~ our wimmenz!!”. If you ask me, we all bleed through similar viens (thanks 2pac) so it doesn’t matter what “race” (god I hate that word) you are.

 

P.S: The very first slave owner was a black man by the way.

[Elgos_GrimParticipant 254]

There is absolutely no need to apologise to anyone man, I agree with what you said in the first place and people who want to take offense take offense, it is as simple as that. Problems aren’t solved by coddling peoples feelings.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

What is this? A safe space in a university? Do I need my feels protected? What about my triggers?

This is real life. In real life these things occur:

1. Children are raped and murdered
2. There are diseases that will take a healthy person and turn them in to a pool of pus (an exaggeration but you get the point)
3. You can get all your arms and limbs blown off
4. Women typically hate your guts
5. Death
6. Psychopaths with murder and torture fetishes

We don’t have the freedom to not talk candidly and seriously. Conversations must occur. It’s the only hope we have. Getting to the core of problems even though people get dangerous about it is the solution.

Racial problems have been around in this country. We must deal with it. It won’t be pretty. It will be disturbingly ugly. It will be long over due and absolutely necessary. We no longer have the freedom to pretend it’s not there or avoid the topic. It’s time to face it.

Just the fact that it’s an intense emotion for any one person means it’s an important conversation and must be dealt with. The person should not be held in shame for it but forgiven and even respected for it.

[Anonymous 42]

@BadCan, your apology is unnecessary and not accepted. Perhaps you can recycle it into a Faminazi spear, and with a mighty through I hope you pierce the heart of feminism!

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5106]

This is a no judgment zone.  You took a step back afterward and analyzed your thoughts, the ability to recognize the gravity of the subject shows that you are an intelligent and grounded human being.  Being PC is another socialist construct that feminists abuse.

Sovereignty above all else.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

On the other hand, you decided that how I perceive you is more important than dealing with the truth. You decided that you needed to get right with us for posting your points. You took responsibility for the thoughts, feelings, and behavior of others. If any wrongdoing on your part, this is it.

It’s not like you to insult our agency and maturity like this. I know this is a tough issue, but I’ll have to ask you to be the good ol’ @BadKan I once knew. That’s the @BadKan that we know and like.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

You share a video on a subject and get s~~~ for it, it’s not you who should apologize imho. You are cool in my books, dude.

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[AFTParticipant 2722]

Funny thing about racism, it doesn’t discriminate against anyone BEING one.
It doesn’t matter whether they are white, black, asian or any other group or class, anyone can be a racist piece of s~~~.
That’s what I know, and understood you to have meant.
Members of this MGTOW site need to be defensive about any attacks to divide MGTOW, from wherever it originates. We are all men that share a common experience, and learn from each other’s perspectives.
Sometimes I learn even more from men in other cultures, as it brings a fresh perspective upon things taken for granted in my own culture.
It’s about recognizing the propaganda that is being fed to us to limit our consciousness.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[BDParticipant 1146]

It was  great thread Badkan,

Creating discussion and having some indifference allows for much more growth than when all of us just agree with each other.

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

The entire present day dynamic with “racism” is equivalent to me personally and men giving up and CHOOSING to walk away from women. I say this after having just seen yet again, another news story about whites need to have a “discussion” about racism. Im done. Sick. Tired. Dont need another DISCUSSION. From my personal experience EVERY, SINGLE, black man I have socialized with brings up race, RELENTLESSLY. I hate to say it, but this has now made me not to even want to become friends with anymore blacks. I would rather “walk away” because Im Sick and TIRED of hearing about it. Look how much drama these threads alone have created man. Its reached the point that a white man cant even call out a black racist. Its f~~~ing ridiculous. Society wants to shed so much white guilt and shame? That’s fine. I simply want talk to blacks anymore. Wish you no harm and all the best, but Im SICK of banging my head against the wall. I still commend the way the Charleston Community has handled it, unfortunately that seems to be an isolated way. I ALWAYS experience the opposite.

THIS is what happens when “PC” runs rampant. This is what happens when you have protected people groups. This is what happens when you keep pushing men of a certain color around relentlessly for decades and hold crimes over their heads and prejudices that occurred DECADES ago which they themselves didnt commit. We walk away. I know many whites feel the same. Tried to befriend you, but now Im tired of the drama and guilt trips. No thanks

Resident cynic.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

The whole thread was in poor taste.

Apology accepted…

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