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Anonymous23Good Morning brothers, I need some MGTOW advice (or maybe a kick up the arse, you decide).
I started talking to a girl on Tinder a couple of days ago, who was up front about having a kid, which of course doesn’t bother me an awful lot as I just want to get my end wet and will absolutely not ever get sucked in to anything more than that. She seems nice, very flirty and complementary about my looks, she has a good job(sound tech) and a side business(cake selling) – She also knows I have a good job and that I also have a side business. We all know where this chatting will end up if we continue – It’s obvious she wants a piece of Ynys inside her.
We recently moved to chatting on whatsapp instead, and in her whatsapp profile there was a link to a “justgiving” charity page, which included her full name – I had only known her first name up to this point, and the suspicious bastard in me thought I would have a little look on google to see if I can find out if this girl has a history of being a nutjob etc. I didn’t find anything like that, but on her facebook page, which is reasonably well hidden, her profile picture is of her and another man – Some more creative googling later, I found wedding pictures from 2012 with the same man. Clearly she is married – Now she hasn’t lied to me, but it is a strange omission considering she was so up front about having a kid.
Help me out – What do you think is going on here? What should I do next? What would you do?
Ps – Please be as harsh as necessary, however bear in mind I am new to this whole dating game so have no real clue what I’m doing.
Rolling up my sleeves and rubbing my hands together…..
What do you think is going on here?
Women are like monkeys. They don’t let go of one branch until they have a good grip on the next.
Getting a woman to cheat is not like getting her to go the gym. All you gotta do is throw it in front of her face.What should I do next?
MGTOW baby. Whatever you want. Just know that if a single mom gets pregnant…. she will have it.
Is arcing your glob worth 216 monthly payments? Guard your sperm like Fort Knox. I’m f~~~ing serious.It’s a highly advantaged position because you know something she doesn’t think you know – and women always think they are “the best” at that. But even if you know, you should not care about ANYTHING but guarding your sperm and sovereignty like Fort Knox. There are too many available vaginas in the world to have to bang married moms.
What would you do?
Not care at all. Complete and total indifference. In this situation I might have some fun an WEAR A (FAKE) WEDDING BAND when I meet her… on the 4th finger of my left hand. I actually have one and I wear it once in a while (highly recommended – especially to job interviews). If she’s married she will have NO business taking the moral high ground and saying “OMG YOU’RE MARRIED?? YOU ASSHOLE CREEP!!!!”. I would first make 100% sure she is married, meet her for a drink., and wear the ring carrying on as the unmarried man that I am – just to have some fun with that. Call it personal edu-tain-mant.
If she brings up the ring and pretends she is a moral person, she is bad news.
I would owe her no explanation for the ring and will not answer her question. I would personally also not f~~~ a married woman knowingly. I have too much respect for the other guy who is busting his ass on the other end.
….even though I am well aware I am NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG.
SHE is.
But I will not be the guy who satisfies her cheating. She can BLOW me , and thats the limit.
She will not get dick in vagina.I am unmarried for a REASON. So that I can shag whoever I want whenever I want with no apology or explanation. It is INTENTIONAL. Women have a problem with men who are cheaters I will play into that every chance I get. I am not attached SO THAT I CAN BANG WITH NO APOLOGY OR EXPLANATION – and still carry my head high. Let them fry their own brains trying to accept that.
Let her blow me and send her on her way. After I spray my load on her face and t~~~, I might say “you call that a blowjob?”…. and then drop the bomb: “you better get back to your family”. I have an early squash game” and wait for the expression on her face. Then give her $20 and send her home in a cab. Make her feel a little like a prostitute. Record the interaction on my mobile device, and face the rest of the week smiling, because I know I didn’t bang someone else’s wife. I “LET” her suck my dick. Not the same thing at all.
Now, if my “wedding ring” ever comes up, I can say that AFTER by really dialing it up: “The ring is not a wedding ring. It’s my fathers and only fits that finger. Wait.. you thought I was MARRIED and you sucked my dick anyway???? GET OUT!!! ”
It’s the perfect out.
Hey. You asked.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.She’s looking to cheat, and she’s going to do it whether it’s you or someone else. Hell you might not even be the sluts first act of adultery, it’s so easy for her to cheat/get laid these days.
The question you need to ask yourself is, is your conscience okay sleeping with a married woman?
Also, keep in mind that sometimes when women get caught cheating they will make false rape accusations in a desperate attempt to cover up their lies. So keep your message records.
What would you do?
If she was really hot and seemed really easy I ‘d do her.
[url url=http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me] I'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. I had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. It cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. [/url]
I would cease all contact with this woman immediately. First of all, she’s already trouble. And there’s more than enough rants on why you shouldn’t date someone with kids. But if you suspect that she’s MARRIED and looking to cheat, yeah, stay as far away from her as you can. You don’t want to be a third party to this.
I dated a girl a few years back. She was funny and outgoing and very pretty and seemed to be a good match. I had just taken the red pill by then so I was choosing not to get emotionally involved or to have it go anywhere, but that it would be fun to casually date her for a few months. A few weeks into it, I found out that she already had a boyfriend the entire time. A LIVE-IN boyfriend at that. He worked his ass off to pay the bills and she was showing her gratitude for that by seeing OTHER guys?
I told her off big time, because I know what it’s like to be cheated on and I wasn’t going to be the OTHER guy who is destroying their relationship. She got very defensive, saying, “I’m not his slave. He’s always at work, so I can choose to date whoever I want in the meantime.” I told her I don’t date women who are already in another relationship. She said as soon as their lease ends in a few months, he’ll be looking for another place, and can’t I just hold on and wait until she can break up with him then? Because I was so cute and very fun to be with!!!
Yes, those were her own words.
I was turned off and disgusted at the entire thing. Here is a woman who totally digs me, but she’s already proving how loyal she is to her side of a relationship. I would never want to be with a woman who demanded my true loyalty to her, but had her own bulls~~~ excuses for why she could easily see other guys on the side. I told her to get the f~~~ out of my house. She stomped her foot and began to scream and curse at me for being an “insensitive, uncaring asshole.” After a minute of this, she wasn’t making a move for the door, so I helped see her way out by grabbing her purse, throwing the door open, and flinging it as hard as I could into the darkness. Calling me a bastard, she took off after it and I shut the door and bolted it.
And by the way, this girl is a Mormon woman. As in the kind of person who goes to church every Sunday because she apparently believes in eternal marriage, who wouldn’t live with a guy until after she’s married to him, wants to get sealed in a temple to someone, and yet, she’s living in a house with her boyfriend while seeing other guys on the side.
Yeah, I wouldn’t have anything to do with women who are already supposed to be loyal to someone else.
I wouldn’t do it. You never know what the husband is capable of. You could end up dead. In addition, if he finds out, she could always just say you raped her. If you have a recording and before and after texts, then you could prove it was consensual – but you might also end up with a civil suit initiated by the husband. Recording is illegal in some cases – so check your state laws. None of this will prevent the husband from trying to kill you however.
Unbeknownst to me, I slept with a married women. I found out too late. When her husband walked in, he ran to the kitchen and grabbed a butcher knife. I barely make it out the second story window, buck naked, clothes in hand. After I hit the ground, I took off running, getting dressed as I ran.
Having said all of that, she could just be looking for an easy lay behind her husbands back. Women cheat on their husbands all of the time now. I get hit on by married women but I never take them up on it. Women help each other hide their affairs, too. They do this by giving one another keys to each others apartments or homes. If one wants to slip off with a coworker to have sex, she can go to her girlfriend’s place and not worry about her boyfriend or husband finding out. This kind of thing is common now.
Watch that she doesn’t set you up for a false rape claim. This is becoming popular for purposes of extracting money through civil suits. In some countries, all a woman has to do is claim rape, present the supposed rapist and the government pays her big, big $$$. The supposed rapists doesn’t even have to be convicted for her to get the money from the government.
In short, watch your @$$.
Man Fuga made a good point about the civil suit.
But he doesn’t even have a case if you never knew that she was married.That’s why I say wear a fake wedding band. It should deter the subject from coming up.
You don’t know that she is married unless she makes it known.And if you act on this, an unmarried man is not doing anything wrong. SHE is.
The first thing everyone wants to do is point fingers and guns at YOU (the other guy) for being an asshole.But SHE is the asshole if anything happens here.
You’re a MGTOW and free as a bird.This kind of scene doesn’t happen unless a woman wants it to. In the old days – when marriage was a contract was based on economic property rights – the man *bought* the woman’s sexuality. And she traded her sexuality for his surplus labour and resources. She “owned” his labour and resources.. and he “owned” her sexuality. So when a married woman cheated, the other man was *stealing* her sexuality from the husband. This is not the case anymore. You’re not stealing anything…. she is a homewrecker.
Even though f~~~ing another man’s wife is B.A.D (as far as I am concerned) you can still have some fun.
Asking me what I would do is difficult to answer, because I am not in it, but It would be a fun social exercise.If anything comes of it, let us know!
Your SAFEST bet is , of course, to stay out of it.The recording is perfectly legal in YOUR home for your OWN security and safety.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous42I would personally also not f~~~ a married woman knowingly. I have too much respect for the other guy who is busting his ass on the other end.
I wouldn’t do it again EVER, her hubby was a mangina, he asked her if she loved me? I was expecting a fight, his manginaness made me all the more arrogant, It was SICK! to answer Keymaster, I had “NO” respect for the other guy, he should have been in kill mode! And I am ashamed of myself, just for being a scum bag.
I would cease all contact with this woman immediately.
Agreed!
I wouldn’t do it. You never know what the husband is capable of.
Double Barrel Buck Shot! Playing with FIRE! I’m sure some guys will kill in a fit of rage!
Married women to me are a MG-Tower CHIPPER! And a FLAME THROWER!
It’s just wrong, every way to Sunday. And you never forget! F~~~ those memories! That kind of s~~~ is BAD for your insides.
Anonymous23Hi guys, just want to say thank you for all the advice and opinions – I subscribed to this thread and have taken great interest in reading them as the emails come in. A couple of updates, I have asked her about her baby’s father and apparently they split up in August but he is still actively there in the child’s life. Still doesn’t explain the Facebook profile pic, but I cant really turn round and say I stalked her, because I still haven’t received a blowjob yet and don’t want to lessen the chances of receiving one.
One thing that has really struck me is how “perfect” she seems. She keeps in shape, eats well, has a good sense of humour, good job, also likes football(soccer), and is rather geeky (we just had a discussion about iron man). My MGTOW senses are tingling with that one. I have brought up that I earn quite a lot a couple of times, but both times she has ignored it as if it doesn’t matter to her at all – I don’t know if that should make me even more worried.
I very much appreciate all of your valuable time taken to read and reply to this thread – I know how valuable the time of a MGTOW really is. I will of course keep you updated with anything that happens, and also what occurs on our date coming up this Friday. 😉
Anonymous11I wouldn’t ever do it, period.
First, it tells you everything you need to know about her. Second, you really don’t know jack squat about her husband. One of my friends banged a state trooper’s wife. Let me tell you the finisher, he ended up getting pulled over by cops in every jurisdiction for months and was hassled on a very regular basis. Third, there’s too many unmarried women out there to bother with the married ones. I randomly met a very cute unmarried one 20 years my junior at lunch today. I could tell she was into me.
Will I get it? Will I not get it? I don’t care either way. The only thing she won’t ever get is my jizz no matter which way it swings.
I have asked her about her baby’s father and apparently they split up in August but he is still actively there in the child’s life
THAT is the #1 reason to NEVER get involved with a single Mom. To me, they are worse than married women. I have been there, when you’re out with a mom and she has one eye on her mobile ALL NIGHT… and then the “father” calls.
It was the BEST birth control.
It’s not usual for me to take a step back after stepping forward already, but the passion in MG-Tower’s post is enough for me to step aside and deflect the question to the rest of the guys. I just don’t want ANY woman badly enough to deal with this s~~~ and if I’m not having fun with her, I am OUT.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous11Good point Key, as always. I’ve hated dating single moms. It’s so awkward in so many different ways. I’m either going with zero kids or kids are out the nest if I ever find that elusive unicorn.
@Ynys: Does “split up” mean divorced and over and done with 4-ever? Women are great liars so I’d still tread carefully as crazy things do happen during the break up process. Split up means still legally married. I’ve had nothing but trouble whenever I’ve swam in those waters so watch your six. I like to have at least a 1 year cooling off window for divorced women so they can shake some of the craziness. Of course for pump and dump situations running under my alias, that rule does not apply.
Anonymous23ANOTHER update guys, she has now admitted to me that she is currently married, but most definately split up. I of course responded in a way that made her say “yes Ynys we are split up and you are not in any way being a homewrecker”. A screenshot of which is now saved in my cloud storage and hard drive.
I am going into this as a MGTOW and even if my senses tingle more on Friday, I do want to at least be friends with her, because she has just started talking to me about higgs bosun and bouncing bombs. Shes by no means a NAWALT but she actually appears to be relatively decent if her story is true (her husband cheated on her).
Anonymous11Interesting, Ynys.
A woman talking about the higgs boson and bouncing bombs…HMMM.. That’s a little unexpected. She could be possibly mirroring you so keep an eye out for that. I’d go MGTOW for sure. If she’s malicious, you’ll know w/in 3 months. She’s still married though, legally.
Anonymous23Even more interestingly mate, right now she is watching a documentary on the moons of jupiter, AND she mentioned the higgs bosun and bouncing bomb to me first – Her first name is also very similar to an obscure type of space rocket that I had to google once she told me. She out-geeked me.
Anonymous42Legally married is legally married. She’s titled to someone else, has his kid, it’s got more strings than a ball of yarn. My life has been enviable since I quit women altogether. I’ve seen as many divorces as marriages. All the guys I grew up with are divorced, some after 20 yrs. It’s like being in a battlefield, and I’m the only one still riding my horse of freedom, plus I’m so far ahead of them, not being destroyed by a divorce.
CLOP CLOPITY CLOP CLOP CLOP CLOP; that’s my horse leaving without me! He knows better, I just follow him, he’s my instinct.
Anonymous11Wow Ynys, I’d really freak if a woman were to out geek me. I have known some geeky women so they’re not out of the realm of possibility. One of them is a hell of an engineer. Had she any prior knowledge or any way of learning of your geek tendencies?
I hate being so suspicious of them, but they made me this way. I used to accept whatever they said at face value, but now I act like a combination of a lawyer/detective/psychiatrist all rolled into one.
She’s still legally married. Don’t let the little head do all of the thinking.
Anonymous42lawyer/detective/psychiatrist all rolled into one.
Hey Pig, sounds like you’re legal fruit-roll.
I’m a Hot Pot-Pie when comes to figuring someones intentions, I’m cynical in every way! I don’t get used to often. I have NO tolerance for ulterior motives. I never have a problem shooting some piece of s~~~ full truth holes, I live for it! So many people are so full of s~~~! They’re not hard to spot.
Anonymous11People tell me I’m too cynical, but I had to learn to be cynical the very hard way. I trust no one male or female 100% except for my Labrador. She’d never do me wrong.
I was once in a situation very similar to what Yyns is facing right now and got popped hard. All I can say is that what was under the surface was nothing like what she presented to me up front. In fact, everything was a huge lie. There’s still a bond between Ynys’ prospect and her ex so that must always be taken into consideration. Plus, they are legally married.
@Ynys: Do not let your heart get involved no matter what especially if she and her husband have not been legally divorced for at least a year. Also, realize that the only thing you know about her and her ex is what she has told you. There are two sides to every story. Fools rush in where wise men fear to tread.
Holy S~~~. (Hey, you said not to pull any punches.) How do you function with such cognitive dissonance?
1) You don’t intend on being with this daydreamer longer than a few lays. So why are you setting yourself up for heartbreak by finding and wallowing in common self interests? Are you TRYING to fall in love when you KNOW it will end in a train wreck? You will be so caught up in your “love” that you’ll drop your guard and do something really, really stupid.
2) She’s not “perfect”. You just want her to be. Every chick adores Iron Man. Robert Downey Jr. is a real life bad boy millionaire who plays Tony Starke, a fictional bad boy billionaire super hero. Girls cream thinking of guys like that. And the women I’ve dated who wanted to APPEAR nerd sympathetic found astronomy and headline science news easy to converse about. Hell, for all you know, the things she’s talking about are things her husband tried to get her into.
3) You say “It’s obvious she wants a piece of Ynys inside her.” WRONG. It’s only obvious that you want inside of her, given your obsessive behavior. She wants security, money, and a guy to take care of her, just not the husband she has right now. She has discovered your buttons and heartstrings. She won’t mention anything she is afraid you won’t like.
But, hey, I have no friggin’ clue why I’m even writing this. Because you aren’t really listening to any of us, are you? You are so addicted to pussy that you can’t hear. The warnings and alarms are everywhere but you don’t care, do you? Your lower level reactive reptile brain is in full gear, so it’s pointless to use logic at all. This is what I mean by cognitive dissonance. Your rational mind finds reasons to run away while your horny mind can’t stop thinking about the vagina. You aren’t really a sentient being, and so you aren’t a MGHOW, either. “Resistance is futile” Trekkie. You will be assimilated upon first contact.
That being said, Ynys, when you pick up the pieces of your shattered world and slink back to your cave, we will still be here if you want to talk. I just hope you’re not the type that needs to hit rock bottom to change.
Anonymous11@Ynys: I’d give Elemental’s words some very, very serious thought.
Elemental has broached that women are getting way more savvy to basic headline geek news. It smells like mirroring to me too so do yourself a favor and google mirroring. I’d query her on some more really arcane geek stuff to check the depth of her knowledge. For example, have her explain the impact of relativity in the context of GPS satellite navigation error correction. Yes, it’s a significant factor. Ask about her thoughts on the sublimation of Pluto’s atmosphere throughout its orbit since she likes astronomy. Pick any arcane geek thing in which you’re an expert. I’d then directly google her response text to see if it were copy and pasted. Evaluate her response time to your questions and see if it feels like it was naturally written in her style. I do smell a potential rat here.
Online has vast potential for deception which is why I never pickup any women online. If it’s too good to be true, it probably is.
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