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Prompted by Gambit’s “Am I feminist?” thread which actually raised a couple of interesting points, I thought I’d have a look and see what feminists stated principles are.
By the way, I do not recommend you do this unless you have a strong stomach and can cope with seeing the word “micro-agression” several hundred times a page.
I wish I hadn’t, but since I did I can inform that I’m not entirely sure the feminists know what their principles are either. I don’t know what I was expecting – perhaps a list involving many ways to get rid of men; or stated objectives for female domination; or ways to combat the “evil patriarchy”. But none of that. Most just seemed to be self-promoting collections of posts (and I did look at the major feminist websites as recommended by Huff Post).
The one website that did have a set of principles and least had a go at stating objectives was as follows (I’ve taken out the name of the particular organisation):
Items in bold are those actually related to feminism.
Principles
- …supports equality for all genders and supports constitutional and statutory measures to gain full equality for women and girls locally, statewide, nationally, and globally.
- …supports safe, legal and accessible abortion, contraception, and reproductive and sexual healthcare, including Medicaid funding and access for minors, poor women and girls, and people regardless of immigration status.
- …is dedicated to achieving civil rights for all people through affirmative action programs for people of color and women, securing fair housing, ending the school to prison pipeline, establishing full voting rights, and enforcing civil rights laws including Title IX, Title VI, and the ADA.
- …supports dismantling the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system.
- …supports achieving equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, queer and gender-nonconforming people.
- …promotes non-violence and works to eliminate all violence against women.
- …supports immigrant and refugee rights regardless of legal status or country of origin.
- …supports programs directed at combatting climate change, preserving the environment, securing clean air and water, and eliminating smog, hazardous waste, and chemical and nuclear weaponry.
- …supports creating inclusive spaces and eliminating social and institutional barriers to access faced by people with disabilities.
- …supports workers’ collective bargaining, pay equity, healthcare for all, free public college, and the end of sweatshops.
- …promotes increasing access to voting and voter participation for young people, women, and people of color, and opposes gerrymandering and all methods of voter suppression.
- …does not permit and actively opposes discrimination on the basis of sex, gender, race, sexual orientation, sexual identity, socio-economic status, religion, ethnicity, age, marital status, national origin, size, or disability
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My comments:
“supports equality for all genders” – Yep. Agree with that. The key word being “ALL”.
“Abortion” – more of a moral/ethical issue than a gender issue I think. Many, of both genders, will agree and disagree with this.
“achieving civil rights for all people” – Yep. Agree with this too. Not sure what a lot of the stuff in that paragraph means, as I’m not American.
“supports dismantling the gender and racial inequities within the criminal justice system” – absolutely agree. Men get a really bad deal in the criminal justice system.
“promotes non-violence ” – agree.
“promotes increasing access to voting and voter participation” – again, can’t disagree with this.
“does not permit and actively opposes discrimination” – totally agree. Too much discrimination against men.
Am I am a feminist too? It looks like it.
So, thank you Gambit, for raising the issue and causing me to feel nauseous and need a good eyeball clean.
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
Thank you for rounding it out, MoreSky. I agree with everything as well, except for the abortion bit.
Thank you for rounding it out, MoreSky. I agree with everything as well, except for the abortion bit.
I thought you wouldn’t. As I mentioned I don’t think abortion is a gender issue it is a moral and ethical one and almost certainly a spiritual one as well.
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
Nope…. f~~~ all that s~~~!
I am for equal rights, period.
Feminism solely focuses on one gender. They are for MORE THAN EQUAL rights.
They already have the upper hand in courts.
They can point their finger and have ANYONE incarcerated without proof or due process.
Racial groups are equally wrong, fighting for their own, and not everyone.
We need to stop segregating others by visual clues (race, religion, sex) and start judging people by their character.
Not one group does this,so I choose to go my own way.
I am so f~~~ing sick of being proud of who I am and in return called a racist homophile anti-feminist.
This nation needs a culling, an extra-ordinary cataclismic event to reduce the population. With the limited amount of assholes left, maybe we could start on agreeing together about something in common – survival.
Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!
I don’t think anyone on this forum (except tuna) would disagree with Buck or 53.
The point that I, and I think Gambit, were trying to make was that by their stated ideology even men such as us could be classed as feminists. The difference being we mean what what we say, they pay lip service to principles of genuine equality to further their own agenda while ignoring true inequality, injustice and suffering especially if it relates to men.
I agree a near-extinction event would improve the species as whole.
As a NFG MGTOW monk, beyond the purely intellectual evaluation of this for entertainment, I couldn’t really GAF.
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
Sorry, you guys don’t know the REAL rules of feminism, the so-called “7 rules”:
1st rule of feminism: feminists always know the “real reasons” for everything men do.
2nd rule of feminism: men are responsible for what women do, because the patriarchy.
3rd rule of feminism: women are whatever women say they are and men are whatever women say they are.
4th rule of feminism: men are disposable and must be useful to women to prove their worth.
5th rule of feminism: men speaking for themselves are selfish and/or threatening.
6th rule of feminism: men’s opinions are violence against women thus feminism is justified.
7th rule of feminism: feminists care about men: “something must be done to alleviate the suffering of women and girls, that’s happening because the suffering of boys and men is making them less disposable thus less useful to women and girls”
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the REAL rules of feminism, the so-called “7 rules”
I think that just about sums up real feminism. Cheers EL.
I don’t really know much about feminism as I don’t care. They are nutters and I want nothing to do with them, or indeed any women.
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
Anonymous6Yo’ve missed what feminism is really all about, see my post on Mr. Gambit’s thread to understand my point. The language of your definitions there actually elude to what I’ve pointed out too.
The ACTUAL DEFINITION of feminism as follows:
“The advocacy of women’s rights based on the belief of the equality of the sexes.”
The focus is on women. Also, you’ve missed something. Or maybe I don’t understand your point. But, when they say ALL GENDERS they mean all 53 genders dreamed up by the gender studies Marxist/ postmodernist/ misandrists.
Now I’ll ask you in all honesty, do you believe in the equality of all 53 genders? If so that’s cool. That would be your deal.
the REAL rules of feminism, the so-called “7 rules”
I think that just about sums up real feminism. Cheers EL.
I don’t really know much about feminism as I don’t care. They are nutters and I want nothing to do with them, or indeed any women.
Tradcon women are very dangerous, and practically (but not theorically) they’re the most dangerous kind.
Sex-negative feminists are much worse than tradcon women, but they’re very easy to recognize, while tradcon women are chameleons.
Sex-positive feminists are better than tradcon women – theoretically they could be decent enough, at least few of them.Problem being that almost all women are a mix of two of those three kinds, in all combinations, sometimes even a mix of all three kinds, it’s extremely rare (practically: unheard of) to find them in “pure” form.
The best woman you can find around would be a mix of sex-positive feminist and tradcon: even such combination, that is the very best you can actually find, it’s more than enough to divorce-rape your ass and to not give a flying f~~~ about the damages you receive in the process.
The worst is a mix of tradcon and sex-negative feminist: there are plenty women like that around, usually it’s acombo of 90% tradcon and just only 10% sex-negative feminist.
The mix sex-positive and sex-negative feminist is the typical average feminist.
Sex-negative feminist portions shouldn’t be downplayed: even in little doses they can be lethal, literally.
Even the tradcon woman can be lethal, but it’s a different kind of poison, it takes much more time to damage you, usually it doesn’t kill you, it just make your life worse and shorter.SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.
Tradcon women are very dangerous, and practically (but not theorically) they’re the most dangerous kind.
Agreed.
Yo’ve missed what feminism is really all about, see my post on Mr. Gambit’s thread to understand my point. The language of your definitions there actually elude to what I’ve pointed out too.
The ACTUAL DEFINITION of feminism as follows:
“The advocacy of women’s rights based on the belief of the equality of the sexes.”
Nope.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feminismIt’s “The advocacy of women’s rights based on the ground of the equality of sexes”
VERY different.
Meaning that equality is used as excuse for women’s advocacy.
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Anonymous6Yo’ve missed what feminism is really all about, see my post on Mr. Gambit’s thread to understand my point. The language of your definitions there actually elude to what I’ve pointed out too.
The ACTUAL DEFINITION of feminism as follows:
“The advocacy of women’s rights based on the belief of the equality of the sexes.”
Nope.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feminismIt’s “The advocacy of women’s rights based on the ground of the equality of sexes”
VERY different.
Meaning that equality is used as excuse for women’s advocacy.
Miriam Webster calls it a “Theory” in its first entry for the word unlike the dictionary you’re using. The indexical elements associated with that Miriam Webster definition indicate that when they’re using the word “theory” they’re using belief based upon evidence, in the social science context of the word. So please take that in to consideration.
This was intended to be a little bit of fun looking at the stated principles of feminists which by their own politically correct language would have to be so general that even some MGTOW gents would agree.
I’ve learned more abut feminism from this and Gambit’s post than perhaps I really wanted to. Thank you Eric and Travis for sharing your knowledge on this subject, which further shows the need to stay away from feminists and all western women, who benefit from the fruits of such nonsense to the detriment of men.
Do I agree with the generic, politically correct headline principles stated by feminists?
Mostly yes. As they are so generic that they are little different from saying “Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone was happy and no-one suffered?”.Does that make me a feminist?
Absolutely not. It just makes me human.Given the real intent of feminists, as described by Eric and Travis, am I anti-feminist?
Mostly no. As a MGHOW, which I am still learning about, I am accepting that western society is, possibly irreparably, damaged and biased and that I want nothing to with furthering that system by withdrawing my resources from women and enjoying life by myself. I do not want to change the systemPerhaps a better question would have been:
As a MGHOW, how much do I need to know about feminism to enable me to GMOW?
Is accepting that it exists, and trying to avoid it enough?
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
Nope…. f~~~ all that s~~~!
Lol. That was my first thought.
As it’s been said before, there’s something that women don’t realise. The majority of men fully support the idea of equality between the sexes. But equal rights should also mean equal responsibilities, and that’s where the conflict appears.
If you get the same rights as a man, that means you take the same responsibilities.
And women simply don’t do this. They’re happy to take “equality” whenever it’s convenient. The moment that factor ceases, they go running back to their kitchens, demand to be treated like ladies again, and start whinging about whatever happened to chivalry.
To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell
That read more like a limp wristed copy of the Communist Manifesto.
Feminism is just the loud bratty arm of the leviathan that is global Marxism.
That read more like a limp wristed copy of the Communist Manifesto.
Feminism is just the loud bratty arm of the leviathan that is global Marxism.
Totally agree. It’s why I had to specifically select the “gender” related issues as there was definitely no agreeing with leftard crap.
A question springs to mind: Are there right wing feminists or are they all lefty muppets?
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
I’m sure there are, but not many. Crazy seeks out crazy and reds and feminists are made for each other.
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