Advice on a stubborn friend

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Hey guys, I was wondering what you would consider good advice on this problem?

I have a male friend of over 10 years who is generally a clear thinker. Except when it comes to Feminism. I just found out he basically buys into Patriarchy Theory. Surprised me. He even said he thought anyone who disagreed with Patriarchy Theory was essentially a misogynist, in the same way as denying white supremacy would be considered racist. I was pretty stunned. He was very, very dismissive of any challenge to it.

He’s agreed to look at a disposition on Patriarchy I pointed him at, but begrudgingly.

What advice would you give to handle this going forward?

[RoyDalParticipant]

Agree to disagree. Don’t bring it up unless he does.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

Wait, let me get this straight: He believe there’s a conspiracy by men to keep women down, to advance men forward, to benefit men from birth, and he honestly believes a bunch of petulant children on social media and going on slutwalks have actually changed legislation? No matter what side of the feminist coin you’re on, you have to acknowledge that they have had some (relative) legislative “successes”. That being said…do they honestly believe if there WERE an age-old conspiracy to run the world, they would let them affect the way the run things, much less know that they exist?

He understands what cognitive dissonance is, yeah?

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

If you look up the definition of patriarchy, or the wiki, it is talking about rule by men. Men did rule, and they still do in many areas of the world. If you are talking about “patriarch theory”, as in a feminist talking point, it is the same as other feminist talking points. They see the obvious(men are superior), and instead of accepting this or debating it rationally, they think there is a conspiracy to brainwash every man and woman into believing it. It is best to not even give a s~~~ or discuss feminist theory, I mean seriously. Q: What do women want? A: Who cares. Q: What do women think and believe? A: Who cares.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Snake wrote:

If you look up the definition of patriarchy, or the wiki, it is talking about rule by men.

Then the dictionary or the wiki are wrong. Patriarchy means rule by the father. Rule by men would be andriarchy.

Looks like the feminists have been going around misdefining things again.

Snake wrote:

Men did rule, and they still do in many areas of the world.

Try explaining that to these men:

Patriarchy is a feminist myth. It’s a lie. It always has been.

The truth is that men have always been disposable cannon fodder to protect and promote the interests of women. because any tribe, nation, or civilization that didn’t protect its women went extinct. Even in the most supposedly “patriarchal” culture on earth today, namely islam, you aren’t seeing mass beheading of women, are you?

Of course time was when men were compensated for their sacrifice and labor. Feminism is the idea that it’s women who should receive that compensation, while men continue to make the sacrifices and do the work. “Patriarchy” is the lie feminists have invented to excuse their unjust selfish sexist greed.

Well now feminists are learning the hard way that when they steal away the compensationfor the sacrifice and labor of men, that sacrifice and labor STOPS.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

“Then the dictionary or the wiki are wrong. Patriarchy means rule by the father. Rule by men would be andriarchy. Looks like the feminists have been going around misdefining things again.” Fathers are men.

“Try explaining that to these men” Men kill and enslave other men. How does a bunch of dead men disprove that men were in control?

“The truth is that men have always been disposable cannon fodder to protect and promote the interests of women. because any tribe, nation, or civilization that didn’t protect its women went extinct. Even in the most supposedly “patriarchal” culture on earth today, namely islam, you aren’t seeing mass beheading of women, are you?” How does protecting women(male property) necessarily mean the men are promoting female interests. About the beheading of men – same thing. How does less men mean women interests are being served?

I don’t see s~~~ but the giant boot of tyranny on all of us, men and women.

[NioZenParticipant 856]

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t punch it in the dick and make it drink. Everyone is different, trying to get someone to see your worldview is often futile. It’s also a trap – saying that your sense of wellbeing depends on this chap seeing the world as you do.

I recommend ‘How I Became Free In An Unfree World’ by Harry Browne – recommended to me by a mgtow’er a couple of days ago, you can find a pdf version for free on the net if you have a look about. It explains this problem quite well, and why it’s a potential source of unhappiness.

He’ll find his way, but those with closed minds who are full of their own bulls~~~ usually have to find out the hard way. Much wiser to learn from other people’s mistakes, but some folk just think they know everything and are unwilling to learn. F~~~ ’em, that’s their problem.

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[Anonymous 42]

To get back on topic about your stubborn friend… It seems belief in the “father” being a “logical” choice to be the “head” of the household (family) is universally undeniable in the realm of “logic”. Your friend has his head stuck in the spin cycle of feminism and it dictates under the rule of law, men are reduced by law to a level below the children, far below the woman, and so far under the law it mocks and enslaves at the slightest slip in his probation and enslavment under the law, in other words he been equated with the family DOG when it comes to basic human dignity and rights.
He’ll never see it the way you do until the choker chain around his neck is pulled over the tree branch of tyrannized law.
What part of this deplorable conundrum this society calls law, order, and justice, doesn’t deserve a big fat F~~~ THAT!!!
Our answer to society’s disposable male: Dispose of society! Stop being a tampon for the system through the vehicle of marriage and female MANipulations!
It’s like feminism has taken the board game “Operation”, removed the batteries, plugged it into the wall socket, wrapped the wires around our heads, handing us the tweezers and saying “lets play fair” while they violently (((shake))) the table! F~~~ THAT!

[HitmanParticipant]

the “operation ” board-game analogy was frighteningly accurate ! OMG ! and yes ..lower than the family dog is correct as well…damn this system…greed destroys ..

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Snake wrote:

Fathers are men.

But not all men are fathers. More specifically, not all men are YOUR father. “Father” is only a meaningful concept within the context of a family.

Men kill and enslave other men. How does a bunch of dead men disprove that men were in control?

Men kill and enslave other men TO BENEFIT WOMEN. And enslaving and killing are incredibly risky activities, with a very likely result that the would be killer / enslaver is himself killed or enslaved. Which are not natural activities of men; men are generally fairly amicable and cooperative with each other except when women are involved. Have you never wondered why that is?

And do you think that if those dead men were in “control” they would be there in those graves?

How does protecting women(male property)

Property? Seriously? You really need to stop drinking that feminist koolaid. You are way to mentally invested in their lies.

The children might be considered male property, though they are more accurately thought of as an investment in the future, because the man did pay for them after all, but not the women themselves. Even in the most supposedly “woman oppressing” society on earth today, namely islam, women are free to divorce. They just don’t get to continue receiving financial and material support from their former husbands. because according to the feminist mindset, a woman not getting something for nothing is “oppression”.

necessarily mean the men are promoting female interests.

So you say you’re NOT interested in NOT getting beheaded?

I don’t see s~~~ but the giant boot of tyranny on all of us, men and women.

Funny, then, how that boot always seems to be crushing men.

Again, patriarchy is a feminist lie. Believing in the myth that men somehow were (or are) the mighty and absolute rulers of the world is subscribing to that feminist lie.

[MadScientistParticipant 131]

Thanks much for the pieces of advice on approaching (aka not approaching) my friend on this topic. I’ll just tread lightly with it, and we’ll see what happens.

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