Advice for changing a friend's gynocentrism

[The LudophileParticipant 187]

I have a close friend and coworker that shares many interests and is generally a reasonable sort. However, we have engaged in debate on feminism once or twice, and he is clearly and aggressively indoctrinated. I am looking for some good resources to use to gently move him away from this cult mentality.

To be a little more specific, he is married to an ex-military butch feminist. She is pretty badass and very nice, but I think it has contributed heavily to his pussywhipping.

We had a short argument about the wage gap as an example of misogyny in our culture, but we dropped the subject before I could send him the Department of Labor study debunking it.

Any other advice or material to use approaching this subject would be much appreciated.

"There is no bad weather; only wrong clothes." ~ Scandinavian saying "I'm happy to see that the U.S. is abandoning the savagery and lies of religion more and more each year. I'm sad to see that politics and feelings are taking religions' place." ~ Me "Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. And, above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty." ~ OldBill

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

My advice is not what you are after but here it is. If you want to keep this person as a friend drop it, you cannot change someone else’s mind by force, if you do not care if they are your friend any longer keep pushing the issue and they will drop you as a friend.

You must think about the psychology of someone who has been systematically indoctrinated and lied to their entire life. This person has internalized all the bulls~~~ and lies and trying to force it will only re-enforce their belief. It is a built in protection mechanism to protect the lie. Their world is built on quicksand but they think it is bedrock not only do they think it’s bedrock they want it to be bedrock. You must always keep in mind that people are stupid and will believe a lie either because they wish it to be true or they fear it is.

To go to the Matrix metaphor “No one can be told what the matrix is they must see it for themselves.” This is because no one believes the truth without seeing it with their own eyes and telling them the truth causes a backlash against it unless their is literally no way to deny it. You will notice in the Matrix that they never offer the red pill to people who are not searching for it because their mind cannot handle the change and it would destroy them. All of these things have corollaries in the real world.

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[RoyDalParticipant]

If he is open minded and receptive, this website will do. If he is not, trying to change his mind will only make him dig in deeper.

He will help himself when he is ready to help himself. At that time, you will be there for him loaded with internet links and a book reading list (this site again).

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Dont bother. Hes not ready and as said above … but if you must, just drop mgtow.com and leave it at that

[narwhalParticipant]

It’s open to keep in mind that accepting the truth about feminism would completely destroy this mans world.  He will do all he can to preserve his world even if it’s not ‘real’.  I would have done the same when I was married, as the alternative was too much to handle.

So I’d start off small, and stick to material that does not offend in anyway and distract from the main point.  I think the wage gap is a good place to start.  There is a recent thread on here with videos that give great points (though I wouldn’t show the videos).  Memorize the stats, where they mean and where they come from.  Repeat those back to him.  I wouldn’t take the viewpoint that the whole thing as a lie, but that in order for the whole 73 cents on the dollar argument and make the logical solutions to fixing that problem.  Those being, women need to negotiate for higher wages, women need to take less time and be less flexible to be more productive for the company (maybe skip that one), and women need to accept more dangerous, more difficult, and less desirable jobs.  That’s how they would achieve equal pay with men.

Let him chew on that, let it sink in.  Go from there.

 

Ok. Then do it.

[EnlightenedMGTOWParticipant 291]

I never recommend introducing someone to MGTOW if they haven’t even consumed a red pill before. You don’t hop from living in a blue pill world and go straight to MGTOW.

Blue Pill->Consume Red Pill-> Reject Red Pill->Back to Blue Pill Dream World

or

Blue Piller->Consume Red Pill->Painful and confusing but consume more red pills->Finally awaken->Anger Phase->Acceptance-> MGTOW

Marriage is the disease, divorce is the cure. MGTOW is the vaccine.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Speak to him about it if he brings it up but otherwise let it go, its not worth your time, effort and energy to beat your head against a brick wall

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[Anonymous 11]

Don’t ever force MGTOW.

This is something that one has to arrive at from life experiences in order to fully embrace MGTOW. I’m not saying to not accelerate the process whenever possible, but if you value the friendship that always comes first. MGTOW will come very easily if and when he is finally receptive to it.

[AkibarangerParticipant 37]

FitzBones wrote:

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. Speak to him about it if he brings it up but otherwise let it go, its not worth your time, effort and energy to beat your head against a brick wall

This is exactly right! Give him the resources and hope for the best, it’s all we can do.

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Wait for bull dike/Rosanne/hippo woman to dump him first and then he may be more receptive towards reality. Most people are wilfully blind.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

Anonymous wrote:

Don’t ever force MGTOW.

Just talk to them about what you gain from it, and once they get put through the meat grinder by the wifey, you can be sure they will at least think about going mgtow (that is, if they have half a brain).
Personally I feel very lucky I didn’t go through all that crap to go mgtow, that’s what a low tolerance to bs does to a man, I guess.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

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