A White Knight Tries Defending Feminism

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

So, I just ripped into feminism on a “Libertarian” Facebook page that I follow.  My comment included this:

“All feminism does is make women even more superior to men in society than they already are without the consequences. Men are still socially obligated to be women’s ATMs and workhorses, yet men are shamed by society as predators and perpetrators of violence, and are seen as disposable. Let’s force women to sign up for selective service and MAKE them go fight as well for the sake of, you know, ‘equality.'”

His response:

“Feminism is concerned with dismantling the patriarchy so most feminists would not want men to be obligated to be women’s ATMs and workhorses. Further, they many actively push for this to be the norm. If you don’t want to be a woman’s ATM then feminism is your friend.”

…I’m at a loss for words at this stupidity.  Shall I give him some logic and reasoning, I suppose?  Give me a hand here.  My mind is not working enough this morning, haha!

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

You can tell him it’s at men’s expensive. How would he like to a lose a job just to meet a quota.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Great-OzParticipant 226]

You could show multiple court cases where feminism is at the direct detriment of males in our society. Where proof is no longer needed in rape cases and even consent can be removed and rape charges filed, because a woman says she regretted it. That is what feminism does.

"Life is the future, not the past." Wizard's 7th rule, Terry Goodkind

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

I mean expense.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Anonymous 12]

I would respond by telling how Feminism has failed women entirely and that as it has failed women what good could it do to men. Also that women do not embrace Feminism in it’s truest form, if this were the case then you would have women paying for dates and approaching men to make first moves etc. They pick and choose what suits them and happily run back and forward between helpless damsel and big tough independent woman as it pleases them.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

Anonymous wrote:

They pick and choose what suits them and happily run back and forward between helpless damsel and big tough independent woman as it pleases them.

True that.  What’s worse is that most men these days are obliged to follow closely behind like a puppy on a string waiting for the next zig zag as HER hormonal roller coaster swings violently to the left…NO! RIGHT!  “If mama ain’t happy, ain’t no one happy.”  Yeah, f~~~ that.

Also…who, what or where is this patriarchy?  It may have existed at some time in the past but WTF are feminists talking about?

NOTE TO WOMYN:  “Go and do and be and see and f~~~ and whatever the hell else you want, whenever you want.  Just stop f~~~ing bitching already!  There’s no conspiracy.  Get in your car, with your credit card, and go, alone, wherever the f~~~ it is you need to go.  Grow the f~~~ up!”

[RoyDalParticipant]

You want to use reason and logic on a fanatic? Good luck with that.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 12]

Dakota wrote:

Morlock wrote:

They pick and choose what suits them and happily run back and forward between helpless damsel and big tough independent woman as it pleases them.

True that. What’s worse is that most men these days are obliged to follow closely behind like a puppy on a string waiting for the next zig zag as HER hormonal roller coaster swings violently to the left…NO! RIGHT! “If mama ain’t happy, ain’t no one happy.” Yeah, f~~~ that. Also…who, what or where is this patriarchy? It may have existed at some time in the past but WTF are feminists talking about? NOTE TO WOMYN: “Go and do and be and see and f~~~ and whatever the hell else you want, whenever you want. Just stop f~~~ing bitching already! There’s no conspiracy. Get in your car, with your credit card, and go, alone, wherever the f~~~ it is you need to go. Grow the f~~~ up!”

I used to hate that saying until I realized that behind the supposed humour lies the truth. If a woman isn’t happy she will make all around her suffer.

The patriarchy is a conspiracy theory invented in the minds of women. In reality men treat each other like s~~~, usually to get more resources for the ball and chain. Say that.

 

Like all “Equal Rights” Movements they can only exist if they are perceived as Victims. So the problem for all involved in the Equal Rights industry and political field is when they reach a point of equality they have nowhere to go, so they become even more stupid and irrational, they start to make up rules that contradict their own purpose and so on. Then through the phenomenon of “The Lunatics are running the asylum” they actually become superior to what they are fighting against.

But the problem is that is still not enough they need that victim hood so they bully anyone who opposes them, they find new ways to be offended and appalled they turn on those who formerly supported them.

Doesn’t matter if it is some racial minority group, Muslims, Women, Homosexuals or Animal Rights activists etc they all follow the same template.

 

[GrumpyParticipant]

Dakota wrote:

NOTE TO WOMYN: “Go and do and be and see and f~~~ and whatever the hell else you want, whenever you want. Just stop f~~~ing bitching already! There’s no conspiracy. Get in your car, with your credit card, and go, alone, wherever the f~~~ it is you need to go. Grow the f~~~ up!”

Statement of the decade.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[treelville..miamiParticipant 893]

Tell him to have a glance at real estate, education, healthcare all in shambles. Equal opportunities act, where men were laid off or forced to make room for women to become inadequate fire fighters, police, and soldiers endangering more lives in the process since women lack physical strength yet all enforced through the EOA and government enforced. Also how about title IX, practically gendercide towards Men and boys in education. Or the removal of mens constitutional right to due process in alleged rape cases or how about affirmative action favoring gender more than race, I could go on and on.

The fact is that feminazis hide behind the textbook definition of equal rights when they’re all about female superiority.

 

"The wounds of honor are self inflicted"

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

RoyDal wrote:

You want to use reason and logic on a fanatic? Good luck with that.

I figured since it was a male, I’d be a little more reasonable with them.  Had it been a woman, I’d not have even wasted my time.  I feel like there are a lot of stupid men out there that aren’t informed about the truth, they’re only informed about what the womynz tell them.

[indigoParticipant 16]

There’s nothing particularly wrong with feminism as it was originally intended, but it morphed at some point from a ‘ladder’, to give women a helping lift, to a ‘mallet’, to beat men with. So much so, that modern feminism has gone so feral, that even originators of feminist liberty despise it, for the monster it has become?
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/when_feminists_believed_in_freedom/13946#.VXCDNEbZLIU

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

My problem with feminism, even from its creation, is that it always claimed it was for “equality for women,” but women have never had to pay for the same prices that men do.  The courts are STILL majorly gynocentric when it comes to cases like child support and abuse (a woman can castrate a man and can get away with it), and the military STILL doesn’t require them to sign up for selective service.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

RoyDal wrote:

You want to use reason and logic on a fanatic? Good luck with that.

Nothing to expect from them except the “I’ll put my fingers in my ears and go lalala”.
There’s not one single thing to be gained from arguing with brainwashed morons

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[RennieParticipant]

indigo wrote:

There’s nothing particularly wrong with feminism as it was originally intended, but it morphed at some point from a ‘ladder’, to give women a helping lift, to a ‘mallet’, to beat men with. So much so, that modern feminism has gone so feral, that even originators of feminist liberty despise it, for the monster it has become? http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/when_feminists_believed_in_freedom/13946#.VXCDNEbZLIU

Feminism was rebellion against men and male order from the very day it was created.

[indigoParticipant 16]

“The courts are STILL majorly gynocentric when it comes to cases like child support and abuse (a woman can castrate a man and can get away with it)”
Megachris%
I can personally vouch for eight hard years of battle in the UK Family Court (father culling programme!), with scars still on show. I guess I’m saying two things.
1. Be careful with words. – If by castration you mean *financially and robbing of fatherhood*,.. then make that point clear. Hyperbole is good to read, but will leave you open for easy attack on other blog threads where there are many willing enemies to MGTOW.
2. There are ex-feminists who know very well, that this mad 40 year, project (originally intending to improve the lives of women in the late 60’s),.. has gone terribly wrong. These enlightened women are very few and far between, but we should try to recognise them, because they can be utilised as advocates for change.

[….Participant 305]

Feminism is not about building up women..it’s about tearing down men.

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

Ignore the retard. Social media is like a coffee shop or a local hangout bar, except it is on a global scale. It will be full of fools. You gain nothing by educating these fools.

So my response would be to not bother entering into a discussion with Sir White Knightington.

To paraphrase a line from Dr. Gregory House:- Rational arguments don’t work on White Knights. Otherwise, there would be no White Knights.

[experiencedParticipant]

dagigisup “Feminism is not about building up women..it’s about tearing down men.”

You get the Occam’s Razor award for this. Thank you for your clarity = MGTOWnetics, seriously.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[peterfaParticipant 833]

You’re just going to feed him. All of feminism is engineered to feed itself (as much as it’s core supporters do so physically). If you say you doing believe it, you’re basically saying you’re against equality and are brainwashed by the patriarchy. When I became critical of feminism I was astonished by how much I deliberately overlooked, now naive I was and how foolish I was. It’s not an outworking of fighting for equality but the opposite. It’s pitting men against each other to see who demolishes who over them. It’s boosts egos and gives free money to women.

If you want to fight this you have to be clever. You have to get him to choke. He’ll expect you to play by his rules, and principles. You’ll have to outsmart this. He’ll pull all the dishonest stops just to make you look bad and then act like he stomped you.

Likely you’ll completely fail and he’ll run off saying he smashed another one. He’ll promote himself and feel proud. Of course you can’t lose in this way because he’s a happy slave, like an Oompa Loompa. You however have your freedom and dignity. You’ll have your principles.

You could try the psychological tactic, which is to discover his deep seated motives and pull a Hannibel Lecter on him. You’ll say that he’s doing it for XYZ motive. If you’re right, you’ll catch him off guard and destabilize him. This is probably the best tactic possible because doing that you can get him to deal with his personal issues. He’ll grow and you’ll have done the right thing. It’s insanely hard though, you have to know psychology well. For me, I had PTSD from my abusive father. I hated manhood and thought it nasty. I was projecting really badly. If you’re wrong though, you’ll just humiliate yourself.

He might actually be legitimate in how he wants to improve the lives of women. What I’d do is ask him for examples of his personal life that demonstrate the character of women and the character of men. Ask him for examples of men who have oppressed women in his life. Ask him about the women and men. You should start to see the answer appear.

Then invite him personally like so, “Don’t you see how she manipulated him? I too had that problem. Then I realized I was just pandering to women, or just projecting my hatred of my father onto…” or whatever you need to do. If he really is legit, say he read women’s studies and believed it, then play the principle, “Should we examine all truth and then prioritize? Let’s look at the other side and see what they have to say… here’s a Karen Straughen video. You don’t have to watch it if you don’t want to, but basically she says that all the unfairness women suffer or have suffered it was for a reason, it was actually out of a balance and often, men suffered worse. For example…”

Get to the underlining motive and meet him there. Be like his buddy, it’s like you’re helping a homeless man get off the street. He doesn’t need judgement, at least not yet, he needs a pal. “C’mon bud, you’re going to catch a cold out here. Let’s get some hot soup and talk about your new life.”

If he doesn’t want to go, the paper trail makes you look good.

Finally, stick to your story and if he refuses help, it’s his testicles not yours. Let him be the Oompa-Loompa.

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