A testimony from an Australian man who learned the hard way, child support sucks

[RobnoxiousParticipant 7]

Here’s a little rant and rage session from me about paying child support payments in the “Great Land of OZ”. Listen carefully all you single childless men, oh you lucky buggers! This is what you’re missing out on.
Ok, so how fair is this:
Child support will happily (and I’ve recently discovered, arbitrarily and with no notice) increase their estimate of my income, which in turn, increases the amount of child support I pay. They have direct access to my tax records so they know exactly how much I earned for the previous financial year, and if I earned more than what they estimated, they lump me with a nice big fat debt to make up the difference.
But they won’t pay me back if it turns out I earned less, and hence overpaid my child support. In fact, they won’t even scale future payments back temporarily to absorb the over payment. They just keep charging like a wounded bull.
This clearly means that I MIGHT pay the correct amount, but more likely, I’ll pay a lot more than I should have too. I probably wouldn’t mind so much except I am financially supporting my current partner, our two kids and her other two kids from her previous marriage.
Child support takes into consideration the number of children you are supporting in your current situation and adjusts how much you pay, you know, so you can afford to eat.
Here’s the clincher.
The other father is a real douchebag, he abused my current wife in every way possible. He beat his kids mercilessly, spent time in prison for rape (yes REAL rape, not just being screwed by some feminist) and various assaults including his own parents. He really is a nut job. He currently works several cash in hand jobs, to avoid declaring tax and also to avoid paying child support. Laughably on paper he earns less than it would cost any single person to survive on their own in this country and he doesn’t claim any welfare. We know this because several friends who live near him and speak to him have found this out first hand and told us.
But, because he’s a dangerous criminal, none of them are willing to write statements to the effect.
So the point here, is that the two children that I pay for 100%, that aren’t even my seed, receive nothing from their biological father. But child support won’t acknowledge that I DO pay for them. So according to child support, I only have 2 kids to worry about. Their standard line is that the ex partner pays for those other children, so it works out in the end. Which as I stated, he doesn’t and it doesn’t.
Now I’m not a petty person, and I made my peace with the fact that the next 10 years is gonna mean forking out cash for kids that aren’t mine and others that by all rights, should be living with me (meet my ex and tell me I’m wrong!). I had to fight the courts just to spend time with my kids and according to child support I have 0% custody of them, thanks to their custody cut off brackets. I also accept full responsibility for the two kids here that aren’t mine, I can and will be the father figure they deserve, which again I’m ok with, at least they have a chance at a decent life, with a father who does love them. I have to pay for all my children’s airfares to come and see me, and child support doesn’t care about that because my cost to access my kids isn’t more than 15% of my gross income. When they are here I end up buying them all new outfits because funnily enough they always turn up wearing rags that are too small for them.
But I found out today, that child support has arbitrarily increased my income estimate to the point where I’d be paying double the child support I should be to my ex wife.
The funny thing is, child support didn’t notify me, my ex wife did. They told her a week ago, and when she discovered that she’d loose a disproportionate amount of money from welfare because of that, she decided to let me know, so I could fight it. Because they wouldn’t listen to her when she said “he just doesn’t earn that much!”
So yeah, child support: heartless, brainless and willing to put me, my wife and 4 kids on the street, and effectively stop me from seeing my other two, because of bulls~~~ policies that even they can’t deny are unfair (yes, I’ve had THAT conversation with many of their employees, usually men). The even better part is if it goes ahead, my ex will actually end up with less money in total!
In summary, if you still want kids, and you want them with you and a woman you plan to live with. Make dam sure she isn’t a money grubbing, heartless bitch. Even the good ones can be led astray by this society and the government enforced system which sees us head first in the mud.
I realise this post may make some of the members here say things along the lines of “should’ve known better dude! Sucks to be you!”. But seriously, if I’d foreseen this before it all went south, things would have turned out differently. So perhaps this post can serve as a solid testimony as to why you should be weary. Don’t make the same mistakes I did. Don’t trust the system and don’t trust the majority of women, I’m still paying for those mistakes in a big way.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I realise this post may make some of the members here say things along the lines of “should’ve known better dude! Sucks to be you!”.

Nobody here will ever say that to you. The rest of the world will say that, but we don’t. Your post just gutted me and I will make sure it gets the recognition it deserves. It belongs right at the top or in an article in our new blog coming next. Thank you for posting. I don’t know how you managed this without losing your s~~~ while typing. I’m furious on your behalf.

Welcome and know that this kind of s~~~ is the inspiration we will put forth to save others.
We have stopped weddings and save lives.

Welcome Robnoxious. Great handle. Spectacular intro. Hope to hear more from you and wish you every strength and success.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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[VileNordParticipant 766]

@robnoxious

Damn! I am not 100% sure I could live like that. I applaud your strength and just wanted to let you know that there are people in this world who recognize your struggle, even if they are simple anonymous internet friends. Thank you so much for sharing your story and I wish you the best, honestly!

Dvöl sterka Bróðir!

Lust for comfort suffocates the soul

[RabidcavemanParticipant 57]

I’ve dealt with stories like this from friends of mine. You aren’t alone my friend.

[TheBardParticipant 974]

That is just awful. I don’t see how that can even be legal for you to pay for kids that aren’t yours. Funny how women will bitch and moan about the government telling them what to do with their bodies, but seem to have no trouble with men paying too much child support or paying for kids that aren’t even theirs. I said I would never date a woman who had kids and stories like this remind me why I never should. Women can call me ignorant but I would rather be ignorant then broke.

Did you ever think about leaving? I would have taken my kids and left to some foreign country where no one would think to look.

[RobnoxiousParticipant 7]

I was telling a mate about this the other day and I said “if I hadn’t had any kids and never gotten married, I wouldn’t be in this s~~~ of a situation. I’d be financially well off and 100% in charge of my own life”, guess what he said? “you have to sacrifice your freedom for something”. well, I almost had a friggin heart attack when I heard that. I hope he doesn’t end up in divorce, he’ll learn real quick what’s at the end of that pit. I was just stunned. I mean this guy is intelligent, successful in his own right and an honestly nice bloke. I can only imagine that the reason he said that was out of pure ignorance. It scares me that even guys like him have no idea how badly society wants to cut our legs off. As for the idea of moving to another country? haha, yeah, I did seriously consider it, for years, but it’s hard enough to see my kids now, let alone trying to do it internationally. my ex and I are on barely civil terms so unless I kidnapped my own children, I can imagine she’d tell me where to go if I tried to organize visits with them. Thanks to the courts blindly giving her majority care for the children, I’m fairly certain it would be considered kidnapping, and I’m not a fan of being on the run. I’d much rather try to work within the rules and stay out of jail. But I have thought about it. more than I’d like to admit. They say patience is a virtue, and many people have called me patient, but even when I think about it all, it makes my blood boil. stress will kill you, so I just take one day at a time and try not to become another statistic. Only another 9 years to go….

[TheBardParticipant 974]

The courts may say it is kidnapping, but I would call it a rescue. I mean you are taking your children away from a woman who is sucking you dry and married to an abuser lol. Stress kills right? Well what the courts did to you is pretty stressful so in theory the court is guilty of attempted murder you.

[AposematicParticipant 2671]

Yeah Robnoxious, I have had some interesting times with CSA (Child Support Agency).

My Ex immediately told a lie that I was seeing one child only and not two.
At the lowest of my finances- cleaned out my inital years child support was $35K.

You may remember, about 2007 the formula changed, but my ex wanted more.
Both my kids were personally enrolled at a great primary school.
The Borderline Personality disorder Ex enrolled them at $10k year/child private school
against my consent.

Ex then asked CSA for a recalculation including going for half the school fees.

I WON!!! Even though it was nerve wracking having such a decision left to a case officer,
my evidence of enrollment trumped her allegations that “we planned to send the kids to the
private school” and IN THE ABSENCE OF NEGOTATION- tough titties. My ex gave my 8 y.o. (at the
time) the “casting vote”- probably the most f~~~ing psychological mistake you can make with
young child- asking them to make adult decisions.

I estimate this decision has saved me $80k. Nice. BTW the private school f~~~ed my son’s education
right up and kicked him out at year 10 level without a report, even though he has an IQ of 130.
But why would a court listen to a Father?

As an aside, one question on the application was “What do you think a fair
child support amount would be?” and the Ex answered 4x what the actual
calculated child support was.

At the moment, I am paying reasonable child support- but I have not put in personal tax
returns for a few years. F~~~ the federal Govt- I am not allowed to have a meaningful
relation with my kids- keep em guessing. Of course, I feed the chooks by wacking some
money in the ATO account now and again. But in terms of accounting- stuff it.

One strategy I have also adopted- I have paid an extra $100 a month into my CS account
by direct transfer. Thus I have built up a two month buffer in case I ever get investigated again.
I figure the CSA would laugh at a request to audit a father that had made every single
payment on time, and had $1k credit in the account- better off chasing the true deadbeats.

At the moment I am paying $6 k a year, but I am cutting back work so I could realistically end
up paying much less in CS- the Ex would have kittens, and my “buffer” would cover CS for more than a year.

Of course my ex did the whole parental alienation thing (rather well- she convinced my son to attempt to kill me by setting
my bed on fire), so I have no contact with my children despite them living half a block away…

You are spot on about the CS being a “absolute function” never going a mans way- always into the pockets of the undeserving.
I was told that you have only 2 weeks to query a payment before it can not be reversed.

The irony is, my kids are not kicking goals, but I am not allowed to parent them. I have seen a dozen or so court
appearances over time and it is all rigged.

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

[AposematicParticipant 2671]

Another intresting CS story.
My younger brother had outstanding CS obligations. As an owner driver
he had up and down income. He is currently on disability
due to a fall he had at work.

Anyhow, some crim stole his company taxfile number and used it to
try and get a tax return.

The fun bit- when they generated a tax return, the CSA immediately
garnished the lot into the CSA account, effectively wiping
out his obligation!

My brother laughed at the Karma!

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

[VaderParticipant 50]

I was paying child support from day one. My daughter is now, 12. I’m a commercial fisherman. For several years, I made approx. 80K/yr.-this is what they based my support on. Back in 2010, I got a blood clot in my leg and had to take about 6 months off. I then went back to work on another boat and made about 50K/yr. When I went back to court to show them my income had lowered, the judge refused the modification, saying the 80K/yr. was my potential. Hahaha! I stopped paying altogether! F~~~ the SYSTEM!

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Vader wrote;  I then went back to work on another boat and made about 50K/yr. When I went back to court to show them my income had lowered, the judge refused the modification, saying the 80K/yr. was my potential. Hahaha! I stopped paying altogether! F~~~ the SYSTEM!

Love it.. Who cares about potential? they  should use the income your making..My father’s  second wife took him to court and he told them to set it reasonable or he would go to work picking berries for a living for two dollars a bucket and added that he was a very slow picker….

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

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